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BornagainDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 03:16 PM
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Uribe (Columbia) officials implicated in plot against Chavez!
Note: DU's Judi Lynn dug all of this information up.


Uribe formally apologizes. Chavez often referred to as brusk and "injudicious" seems to be quite the gentleman in this case.

No wonder Chavez has recently turned a cold shoulder toward Columbia?


Monday, December 19th, 2005
Colombian military implicated in plot against Chavez: Uribe

BOGOTA, Colombia (AFP) Venezuelan former soldiers plotted against President Hugo Chavezs government at a Colombian military building, Colombian President Alvaro Uribe said.

Uribe made the stunning disclosure Saturday at this Caribbean resort town where he is meeting with Chavez, and after analyzing documents furnished by the Venezuelan leader.

The Venezuelan soldiers who are in Bogota went to a building to meet with members of the Colombian military.

President Chavez gave us these documents we analyzed them and this morning I said to President Chavez: I must tell you the truth: this is a building of Colombias public forces, he said.

Uribe said that intelligence efforts against the Venezuelan government are conducted in the building, and took full responsibility for the affair.

The two presidents met for six hours amid a climate of unusual goodwill Saturday to discuss the purported Bogota-based conspiracy against the Venezuelan president, which Chavez first disclosed to his Colombian counterpart during a meeting in Venezuela on November 24.

Seven Venezuelans involved in a 48-hour coup against Chavez in April 2002 have been linked to the new plot.

Businessman Pedro Carmona, leader of the failed military-civilian coup, enjoys political asylum in Colombia, where he is working as a university professor.

Uribe refused asylum to six Venezuelan soldiers involved in the coup but gave them permission to live in Colombia while they look for safe haven in another country.

The conservative Colombian leader said Saturday that he takes responsibility for the events.

I took responsibility before President Chavez and I took it in public, because the government of Colombia, which suffers from terrorism, cannot permit anyone to plot conspiracies, especially against a brother country, he said.

(snip/...)

http://www.rinf.com/columnists/news/colombian-military -...

(You may notice stories like this just don't make it to the U.S., do they? This one is from A.F.P. One has to wonder why that is! The only ones we get here are the ones which mock and harrass him.)






More stuff on the plot



If you think this arrangement seems like a recipe for disaster, youre right. Disaster has struck with a vengeance during lvaro Uribes administration. According to recent reports in Colombias media and testimony from former officials, between 2002 and 2005 the DAS was essentially at the service of paramilitaries and major narcotraffickers. It drew up hitlists of union members and leftist activists, and even plotted to destabilize Venezuela.


Jorge Noguera
All of this happened under the tenure of Jorge Noguera, Uribes DAS director from August 2002 until he left under a major storm cloud of scandal in October 2005. According to Rafael Garca, the agencys former chief of information systems who has made a series of explosive allegations, Jorge Noguera became the Vladimiro Montesinos of Alvaro Uribes government. He conspired against the governments of neighboring countries, he did away with leftist leaders, he participated in narcotrafficking operations, he maintained relations with paramilitary groups, etc. etc.
(snip)

A hit on Chvez?

Though he offers few details, citing concerns about his security, Garca has told Colombias press that there existed a destabilization plan against the Venezuelan government, and there are many Colombian government people involved.


Danilo Anderson
Garca contends that Noguera and others were drawing up plans to kill high officials in the Venezuelan government, including leftist President Hugo Chvez. His allegations recall the 2004 arrest of 114 Colombian men at a compound near Caracas, a combination of young campesinos from Norte de Santander department and paramilitaries from the Jorge 40'sNorthern Bloc. At the time, Chvez described the Colombians presence as part of a plot to kill him.

Six months after that episode, Venezuela was shaken by the assassination of prosecutor Danilo Anderson, the first such attack the country had seen in over thirty years. Last November a Colombian man, identifying himself as a demobilized paramilitary member who served the DAS as an intelligence source, told Venezuelan authorities that Noguera had advance knowledge of a plan to kill high-ranking Venezuelan officials like Anderson and President Chvez. Garcas testimony lends credibility to this witnesss story. Venezuelan authorities also claim that Jorge 40 paid a visit to Maracaibo, Venezuela, to meet with anti-Chvez figures.
(snip/...)
http://www.ciponline.org/colombia/blog/archives/000242 ....


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This particular Colombian informant, if I've got my facts straight, would have never been brought in and questioned, if it hadn't been for a fluke: someone got access to a laptop belonging to the high-rankaing paramilitary (death squad) leader, and all the names, dates, etc. started getting published.

(The man mentioned whom they DID assassinate was Chavez' special prosecutor who was going after some of the coup leaders. They rigged his jeep and bombed him.)

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BornagainDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 03:22 PM
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1. Related topic
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 03:58 PM
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2. What we are watching here, if we can slow down the bs and just watch
is a thumbnail of what our government has always done in Latin America.

This is why undocumented workers come here. Because the corporatists sabotage democracy in Latin America.

Hugo Chavez may some day go wrong. He hasn't yet. The reforms he proposed got doubled by the time they left the Assembly. But, all we hear is how he is a crazy, egomanaical power monger -- even when most of us have never read the text of the reforms. And our whore media has churned out article after article just as they have about Dean, Kerry, the Clintons, about Kucinich.

The TEXT of the US black ops memo has been posted to GD, for pete's sake. Everyone that has been monitoring Venezuela has understood that this referendum provided a window of opportunity for anyone that wanted to destabilize the government.

Heads up. Don't think for a moment that your government can do this to Venezuela without it coming back home to anyone who dissents. Just be careful. Imho, this isn't about Chavez. This is about what we can expect from those in charge of our government.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 10:27 AM
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4. A classic operation
a wealthy minority of ruling families use their right-wing reactionary connections to the US intelligence community to stay in power and oppress the majority of the citizens.

This crap has been going on for generations. A one-trick pony.

This is Junior's idea of exporting democracy. Sure it is, the classic ancient Greek model where a minority who control the 'democratic' process rule over a majority of slaves.
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BornagainDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 08:32 PM
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6. I'll bet Hugo knows about the particulars of those links to the intelligence community.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 05:45 AM
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10. The players and their MO are well known.
but unlike the tin pot dictators that would like to replace him, Chavez seems to be following the law. The opposition would like to provoke him in order to give them an excuse to call in the US military.
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BornagainDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 04:02 PM
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14. Hugo's "How to Book"....
"How to control terrorism without killing democracy". :bounce:

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BornagainDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 10:04 AM
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3. kick
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 10:28 AM
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5. All I can say is
Duh!
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 08:35 PM
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7. Well, look at the source :)
that is always what I hear on these threads anyway. If it is negative concerning Chavez, the source is bad. If it is pro it is good.

Reminds me of the evangelicals who only read things that tell em what they want to hear....
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 08:57 PM
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8. The Source is AFP
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 08:58 PM
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9. Depends on one's agenda
:)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 07:01 AM
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11. But, facts start to pile up, no matter what one might prefer.
Like last week, it was reported by the presstitutes that there was a demonstration in Valencia. I don't know the country well enough to know where that is and, I couldn't figure out what that meant. There aren't riots breaking out all over the country, so why there?

So, read, read, read and nada.

This morning I find out in the alternative media that Valencia is an important seat of American corporate interests in Venezuela.

The inference I draw from that is mine. But, it's interesting that the presstitutes didn't print both facts especially when it might help an American audience orient themselves -- "Valencia so many miles to the X of Caracas, has X universities and is a seat of American commerce in Venezuela" -- in the story.

They are sure not going to print that American business leaders had a meeting with our envoy ahead of the referendum and they're not going to try to find out if the glossy flyers that university students where handing out in opposition were funded by the American chamber of commerce there. I don't know if they were. Nobody asked the question.

Put this selective reporting next to the fact that the US has quietly supported just about every real dictator in Latin America and you have a fine example of how it's done.


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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 07:07 AM
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12. I saw that coverage and all kinds of bells & whistles went off.
They covered a demonstration in Venezuela and there wasn't a peep about the massive demonstrations that have been in this country, at the very doorstep of Congress & the White House?

not peculiar, much. . . :eyes:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 07:16 AM
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13. It looks like those hostages that Chavez was negotiating for
could be alive! Some tape has been released:

Colombia has proof rebel hostages alive

BOGOTA (Reuters) - Colombia's government on Friday broadcast videos of rebel-held hostages, French-Colombian politician Ingrid Betancourt and three U.S. contract workers, including images apparently recorded in October.
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The images, confiscated from three suspected guerrillas captured in Bogota, would be the first proof Betancourt and the Americans are alive in rebel captivity since a video of the hostages was released in 2003.

Betancourt, a dual French-Colombian citizen and former presidential candidate captured in 2002, and the Americans, are among the highest profile captives held by the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia rebels waging Latin America's oldest insurgency.

The FARC wants to exchange the four as part of a swap of key hostages for jailed rebel fighters, but recent efforts by Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez to broker a hostage deal fell apart after Colombia suspended his role as mediator in any talks to free rebel kidnap victims.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071130/ts_nm/colombia_host...

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BornagainDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 06:10 PM
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16. What's your agenda Straightshooter?
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BornagainDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 06:08 PM
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15.  Overgeneralization . nt
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