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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:26 AM
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John Ashcroft: I知 Willing To Be Waterboarded
John Ashcroft: I知 Willing To Be Waterboarded

Last night, former Attorney General John Ashcroft delivered an address on national security at the University of Colorado. The event was marked by heated protests. About 20 student protesters wearing 都hirts with 痴hame written on the backs and wearing American flags over their faces, welcomed Ashcroft to the stage by standing up and turning their backs to him.

During the speech, Ashcroft caused an uproar when he declared Guantanamo Bay was a 堵ood place for detainees. In addition, he defended the torture tactic of waterboarding:

Ashcroft also responded to questions from the audience. The first question came from a woman who asked if Ashcroft would be willing to be subjected to waterboarding.

典he things that I can survive, if it were necessary to do them to me, I would do, he said.


Ashcroft apparently believes that torture should be allowed as long as it doesn稚 kill him.

more at:
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/28/ashcroft-waterboard...
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:27 AM
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1. Can I help?
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:28 AM
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2. Get in Line
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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:28 AM
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3. Well hell, strap the man to the chair and let's get started!
We know lots of friendly, helpful CIA and Pentagon operatives who would be more than pleased to officiate.
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:29 AM
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4. i think it's absolutely necessary that john ashcroft be waterboarded
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:30 AM
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5. So who wants to be first with the watering can?
I bet there will be no shortage of volunteers, Johnny boy.
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Clovis Sangrail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:30 AM
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6. that sounds to me like he's saying it'll never happen to him
but "if it does" .....

I think a better question would be
"If you were arrested by a foreign govt and water boarded, would the US govt consider that torture or interrogation?"
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:30 AM
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7. get the ropes... drown that rat
:rofl:

Let the eeeeeeagle..(glub glug bluurrggg) soaaaaar!!
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:32 AM
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8. By al Qaeda?
OK John?
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Vanje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:32 AM
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9. Get out the hose and LET THE EAGLE FLY! nt
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:32 AM
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10. Then strap him down and tell him it will stop only when he admits to
planning 9/11 and the crucifixion of Christ.

My guess, they'll have a signed confession within a minute.
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:34 AM
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11. But you know if it happened to him
he would scream "TORTURE!" (as long as it was a foreign government...or not the Bushit admin doing it)
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Lamonte Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 11:09 AM
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34. Torture justifiable?
What confuses me about torture is this: Both Christians and Islamics believe that God toretures for eternity those unfortunate to not belong to those religions. I would not do this to Adolph Hitler, but God, according to many, does this eternally. Perhaps this is why both the middle east and the U.S. do it also.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:37 AM
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12. His quote sounds like gibberish
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:40 AM
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13. Waterboard him and make him confess that Elvis is alive
that should demonstrate just how credible evidence obtained under torture is.

If he admits that Elvis lives, the whole justification for "enhanced interrogation" crumbles.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:41 AM
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14. He's counting on the Crisco ョ to protect him
Edited on Wed Nov-28-07 09:42 AM by Solly Mack
Ashcroft always has been a piece of shit

People were rounded up under AG Ashcroft. Extraordinary renditions were carried out under AG Ashcroft. And people were being tortured when he was AG as well. OF COURSE Ashcroft would trivialize torture...he's just as guilty as the rest of the Bush administration.



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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:42 AM
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15. the whole crew believes that
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:44 AM
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16. Let's do it...in public....coming to a mall near you!!!!
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:45 AM
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17. He needs the full experience
He should be snatched off the street when he's not expecting it, hooded and taken for a long trip. He should be yelled at in another (incomprehensible) language.

Then he should be waterboarded and be made to confess to bizarre and obviously untrue activities.

And all of it should be recorded.

Then he'd really know what waterboarding entails.
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Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:45 AM
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18. That is so nice of him to concede that
and completely empty.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:45 AM
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19. Do it! Prime time tv covered on all the stations!
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:46 AM
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20. The operative word is clearly "IF". Nowhere does he say "I'm willing...."
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enki23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:48 AM
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21. and i'm willing to donate a kidney. so what?
would you then, johnny boy, say that coerced and/or forcible kidney extraction was likewise legal?
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:50 AM
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22. Let's write to Olbermann on this
I'm sure Ashcroft will qualify his statement like the Swift Boat guy did with Kerry.

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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:51 AM
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23. Look, just because I've shocked myself with 110V AC and lived to tell about it...
...doesn't mean that I'm keen on repeating the procedure on myself. Nor do I want it used as an "enhanced interrogation technique" or whatever the kids in DC call it nowadays.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:51 AM
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24. Some group ought to take him up on his offer. Stage the whole event and try several
different 'interrogation' techniques out on him.
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murray hill farm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:53 AM
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25. Welllllllllllllllll...OK then....
lets do it!
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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:56 AM
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26. **sound of 105000 DU'ers hands going up...ME ME ME ME!!"***
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:18 AM
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27. Nice, preemption there, Johnny
典he things that I can survive, if it were necessary to do them to me, I would do. he said.


To translate:

"If my advanced age and declining health were considered before waterboarding, I would not be waterboarded".

Funny how your victims aren't allowed such considerations, Mr. Ashcroft.

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Golden Raisin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:28 AM
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28. Make sure its done by
one of our seasoned "professionals" from either Abu Ghraib or Guantanamo. I'm sure Blackwater personnel are well versed too. We don't want any amateur giving Mr. Ashcroft a namby-pamby, Winnie The Pooh version of waterboarding. I want the real thing.
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Lamonte Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:41 AM
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29. Torture justifiable?
I am against torture. I am against sleep deprivation. Better
results can be had through normal psychological methods.
However, I am confused by Christian and Islamic beliefs. They
both believe that God will torture for eternity if you have
the misfortune to not be one of their group. This comment is
for the people that believe God will do this to his victims.
How can you square this with the millions that are against
torture?
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Ravy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:44 AM
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30. Sure, he says that NOW,
but once we get him on the 'board with that wet rag over his head, he will say anything we want him to say.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:48 AM
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31. let him experience it, and then say it isn't torture.
he would certainly change his tune, to be strapped onto a board with the continual feeling of being drowned.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:50 AM
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32. This I gotta see!
There is a good chance that it would end up killing him if they aren't careful though, he should really watch what he says!
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:55 AM
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33. Let the Eagle DROWN
Give the Crisco Kid what he asks for. Waterboard the bastard. :evilgrin:
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 11:14 AM
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35. I'll rent the pay per view for that
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 11:14 AM
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36. SO many people would be willing to pay to see that
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 11:19 AM
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37. would he allow himself to be tortured by people that could also
put him to death?

I mean, I would let my dear mom waterboard me; she would never let me come to harm.
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