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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:14 AM
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This week I made up my mind.
I have been a supporter of Dennis Kucinich from day one. Although he isn't spot on with all his ideas I have always thought he was closer to my beliefs than anyone else running. Now with his statement this week that he would consider a Ron Paul- Kucinich ticket I have to look elsewhere. Ron Paul is a Libertarian that would appoint right wing Judges and would continue bushes dismantling of the government support structure. Being against the war is not enough. All his other stances leaves me in the cold. That Dennis would even consider this ticket makes me shutter.

Therefor I believe the next best choice is John Edwards. He would give us the best chance at defeating the Republicans IMHO and that is more important than anything at this point.
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:16 AM
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1. I agree
Kucinich was my candidate last time around. I think Edwards has the BEST chance of winning the election as a Democrat which is what WE need!

We need to get behind Edwards 100% IMO.

:kick:
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:20 AM
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2. You do realize that
a Vice President does not have the power to appoint a dog catcher, much less a judge, don't you? Nor can he dismantle the government structure. In fact, the only power a V.P. has is to break a tie in the Senate.

I'm not a Paul supporter and I don't know how serious Dennis was, but I'm still determined to send the status quo corporo-Democrats a message by voting for Kucinich. It would be nice if he could win the nomination but I'm a realist -- if he can catch more than 4% of the vote maybe, just MAYBE the corporo-Democrats might get their collective noses out of the corporate sphincter long enough to sit up and take notice.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:23 AM
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3. I find this ironic considering how much power Cheney wields.
I know he's not the norm, but still...
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:29 AM
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6. up until bush/cheney I used to hear from people that the president really can't do much
Edited on Wed Nov-28-07 09:31 AM by madokie
I don't hear that little tidbit of bull anymore though as bush/cheney knocked that one clear out of the ball park and not just over the fence mind you.

splchk
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:29 AM
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7. A lot will depend on the numbers in
the Senate. Speculation is that Dems can gain as little as 3 seats and as many as 8. That certainly gives them more of a cushion than they have now which is basically none. Cheney holds the power he has because of the past and present R-D ratio in the Senate.

If you're talking about Cheney's power over the president, that, of course, is the reason dubya was chosen as a candidate in the first place -- he's stupid and pliable and willing to sit back while others (Cheney, Rove, etc.) do the real work. Kucinich is neither stupid nor pliable.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:30 AM
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8. no cheney has the power he has because no one will stand up to him
well a few do stand up to him but not enough of them do. imo
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:32 AM
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9. Excellent point!
n/t
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:07 AM
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16. Dick Cheney
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:24 AM
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4. Where did Kucinich say this?
I must have missed that one.
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warren pease Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:06 AM
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14. I think the possible alliance was first mentioned by Elizabeth Kucinich...
...in answer to a question posed backstage by a blog reporter from rawvegas.tv/ and videotaped after the Nov. 15 Dem "debate" in Las Vegas. Go here to watch the brief Q&A.


Then, on Nov. 25, DK is quoted on a blog called cleveland.com saying:

"I'm thinking about Ron Paul" as a running mate, Kucinich told a crowd of about 70 supporters at a house party here, one of numerous stops throughout New Hampshire over the Thanksgiving weekend. A Kucinich-Paul administration could bring people together "to balance the energies in this country," Kucinich said.


The blog post goes on to say:

Speculation of a Kucinich-Paul ticket has surfaced on the Internet, where it also has been shot down. But Kucinich's wife, Elizabeth, did not dismiss it when asked about it after a recent Democratic candidates' debate in Las Vegas. Speaking to the website RawVegasTV, she called Paul "a great truth-teller," adding that Paul has "voted 100 percent right on the war."

Today, her husband said, "Think of how you could unite the country, having a Democrat and a Republican on the ticket."


All the rest of the articles or posts that came up via Google -- at least the 35 or 40 I checked -- derive from the same two sources.


wp
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smheart78 Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:27 AM
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5. Edwards couldn't carry his own state last time.
Edited on Wed Nov-28-07 09:50 AM by smheart78
What on earth makes anyone think he can beat the republicans this time...and he has nothing to show for his last four years (more baggage than good).
Why not consider Biden who has been on the right side for the issues concerning Iran and Pakistan...he called it. And on the right side of Iraq, he vows to continue to fund and protect (with his MRAPS) the troops while all the front-runners state that they will have the troops there until 2013. Is this not unconsionable?!
It's not just about experience, which he has 35 years of-and chairs the FOREIGN Relations Committee, or about change which he's demonstarted with the Crime Bill and Voilence Against Womens Act. It's about ACTION which he's demonstrated with the 75 senate votes for his plan on IRAQ and the other policies he will pass due to his ability to unify the Congress and the country.
ACTION
He is the only one leading us and the only one demonstrating it.

**Update** I should point out that I am being a bit unfair judging John Edwards not carrying his own state, a democrat carrying a very RED state is highly unlikely in the first place.**
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:09 AM
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17. you mean the Kerry Campaign could not carry Edwards home state
Please be accurate.
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:27 AM
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18. Biden lost me when he wouldn't try to stop bushes Supreme Court appointments. N/T
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:34 AM
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10. Did Dennis say he would consider a Ron Paul ticket?
Or are you referring to his wife's comment? I would love to know if DK is actually contemplating such a strategy.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:43 AM
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11. Anyone have an answer to the above questions?
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:34 AM
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20. See post 19
What would you believe?
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theredpen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:58 AM
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12. Could someone PLEASE source this stupid DK/RP rumor?
There was a video posted a few days ago (a week ago?) in which Elizabeth Kucinich made was what clearly an offhand, hypothetical comment in response to a direct question, "Would you consider teaming up with Ron Paul." Elizabeth says something like, "Yeah, sure, well, Ron Paul is a truth-teller too."

If that is the source of this rumor, and this DK backlash, then it's utterly stupid.
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warren pease Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:06 AM
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15. See my post #14. n/t
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AlertLurker Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:58 AM
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13. If something this obviously FALSE can change your mind,
Then you have quite obviously finally settled on the correct candidate.

Good luck.



Support Dennis Kucinich TODAY! He'll run with the Devil himself to get elected!
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:33 AM
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19. False?
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AlertLurker Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:57 AM
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22. It's a piece of SHIT PD attack piece. Not worth the electrons they're printed on.
Edited on Wed Nov-28-07 10:58 AM by AlertLurker
An "article in a BLOG - it says NOTHING. It parses his quote, makes Elizabeth's statement sound more convincing than it was, and it is written by "two writers" not even on staff at the Plain Dealer (which, BTW, has a loooooong history of attacking Kucinich), where this piece of SHIT is not even published. Kucinich is not addressing it because he has refused to speak ANYONE AT THE PLAIN DEALER, period.

Learn to read stuff like this a little better - no offense meant, honestly - shit merchants the whole world over will attempt to sell anything to everybody using the same contemptible tactics.

If complete and utter BULLSHIT like this can actually convince people to switch from Kucinich, then the RW is obviously winning.


Support Dennis Kucinich TODAY! Before the government owns you.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:48 AM
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21. Just please realize the quote that you are using to make up your mind is suspect.
Edited on Wed Nov-28-07 10:50 AM by hootinholler
The Cleveland Plain Dealer has a long history of 'misquoting' DK to the point that he will not respond to anything published by them. Thus far, there is no other source of this quote.

Re the Elizabeth quote, she was asked if Dennis would consider Ron Paul, and she answered that he would, which is the polite response. I found that refreshing, that he would consider that. I'm confident that he would also reject that, but in these times we need a president who can look at all sides of an issue before making a choice.

-Hoot
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