Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

digby: Don't Call Colin

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 06:30 AM
Original message
digby: Don't Call Colin
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2007/11/dont-call-colin-...

Don't Call Colin

by digby


No, No, No. This is a horrible idea. I assume that Clinton thinks this would signal a return to "The Powell Doctrine" but even if it's decided that's a good idea, Powell himself should never be allowed anywhere near government again.

Despite his long career, Colin Powell's most world famous, resonant moment was this:




Clinton may think it's a neat idea to send a few Republicans around the world as envoys to show that America has a bipartisan foreign policy again, but she's going to have to look to people who have been out of government for a couple of decades if she expects them to actually have a credibility in the rest of the world.

Colin Powell sold his reputation and his soul when he helped the Bush administration sell a war he knew was bullshit. It's worse, in some ways, than what Bush did. At least Bush actually thought it was a good idea.

And anyway, there is no margin in rehabilitating members of the Bush administration. She will get no thanks for it and she knows it. Colin Powell was instrumental in destroying Bill Clinton's first term for gawd's sake:

As President Bush gave way to President Clinton, the general's protests grew more vocal. First, in October 1992, Powell went public with his opposition to using force in Bosnia, penning an unprecedented New York Times op-ed justifying his stance. Powell cleared the article with the Bush team, but coming at the height of a presidential election in which candidate Clinton was calling for forceful action to halt Milosevic, the intent was clear-all the more so when Powell reiterated his objections in a Foreign Affairs article published as Clinton prepared for his inauguration. "Whether the issue was military service for homosexuals, post-Soviet budget levels, or military action in ex-Yugoslavia," recounts Edward Luttwak, "Powell overruled the newly inaugurated Clinton with contemptuous ease." In at least one instance-the 1993 dust-up over gays in the military-Powell skirted the edge of insubordination. Exploiting Clinton's weakness vis--vis the armed forces, Powell went public with his opposition to the plan to integrate homosexuals into the military, letting it be known that he might resign over the issue and humiliating Clinton into negotiating with-and all but surrendering to-his own military chiefs.



The funny thing is that that article is about how Powell acted as a free agent under both Bush I and Clinton (especially Clinton) when he was in uniform, and it was warning that he'd freelance even more as a civilian in the BushII administration. If only. After he became Secretary of State, he turned into a good little soldier who never said a word in public about what went on in the Junior administration until just last summer, when Bush's approval ratings had been safely in the 30's for a year.

No member of the Bush administration should ever be set out to represent this country abroad again. And aside from Bush, Rumsfeld and Cheney, I can't think of anyone less credible than Colin Powell.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 07:03 AM
Response to Original message
1. He chose the chimp over truth, justice, and the American way.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 07:10 AM
Response to Original message
2. As soon as you think HRC has hit rock bottom..
... she opens her mouth with yet another STUPID idea.

I'm waiting for the first HRC-bot to try to defend this. Just try.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 07:13 AM
Response to Reply #2
3. Maybe she's getting advice from her spouse, who supported the war, too.
Edited on Wed Nov-28-07 07:13 AM by babylonsister
:shrug: Either way, this was not a smooth move by Clinton.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 07:49 AM
Response to Reply #3
7. GEE SCARBORO Had a tape on this morn..of Bill saying he never supported the iraq war..
and Joe and Mica both said now the historical revisionism begins..

to be fair it all began with Rove on Charlie Rose lying up hi sasshole saying the * admin did not want a vote on iraq war before the 2004 election and is now blaming that vote on the dem congress!!

But Scarboro had a tape of Bill Clinton in Iowa i believe just this past week saying he did not support the war in Iraq..then Joe showed his quotes at the time of the Iraq war vote.

fly
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 07:15 AM
Response to Original message
4. too painful to read
colin powell is not someone who I want on my side
just saying, through tears as I type this I must say

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai

Colin Powell, then a 31-year-old Army Major, was charged with investigating the letter, which did not specifically reference My Lai (Glen had limited knowledge of the events there). In his report Powell wrote: "In direct refutation of this portrayal is the fact that relations between Americal soldiers and the Vietnamese people are excellent." Powell's handling of the assignment was later characterized by some observers as "white-washing" the atrocities of My Lai.<10> In May 2004, Powell, then United States Secretary of State, told CNN's Larry King, "I mean, I was in a unit that was responsible for My Lai. I got there after My Lai happened. So, in war, these sorts of horrible things happen every now and again, but they are still to be deplored."<11>
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 07:41 AM
Response to Reply #4
5. For those who bristle...
.. when we say that HRC is merely Bush-lite, yet again she proves our point.

If she were the TOUGH cookie all her deluded supporters keep trying to make her into, she'd tell the GOP to go fuck themselves, they had their shot and look at what happened.

But no, she's gonna "reach out". Might as well reach out to Ted Bundy.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 07:51 AM
Response to Reply #5
8. absolutely..only little lord pissy pants has murdered many more than Bundy did!! eom
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 07:41 AM
Response to Reply #4
6. I'm sorry, madokie. It's not too painful for me, just very surprising. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Wed Oct 01st 2014, 01:46 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC