Who kills the animals you eat?

[Mountainman]

What's the difference if a slaughter house kills your hamburger for you or someone hunts a deer for food?

[Le Taz Hot]

1. Somebody else.

:silly:

[Blue-Jay]

77. This is the correct answer.

:thumbsup:

[MNDemNY]

2. Nothing.

[yardwork]

3. Actually, I'd much prefer to eat an animal shot by a hunter.

The slaughterhouses in this country are horrific now - far worse than when The Jungle was published. That's one reason I don't eat meat.

[A HERETIC I AM]

68. Is that opinion based on personal observation or experience?

Have you worked in an Abbatoir?

For the record, I have, albeit not in the US and not a large operation.

From what i understand of the industry, comparing a modern day slaughterhouse/packing plant to one from the early 1900's is truly and apples/oranges comparison. The differences in sanitation procedures alone are night and day.

[yardwork]

88. It's based on the reports I'm reading about current conditions in large operations.

From what I read, the sanitation procedures and everything else have gone out the window. The industry now hires undocumented workers who labor in conditions unimaginable some years ago.

It is a really serious problem, and one closely linked to the increasing outbreaks of bacterial contamination in meat, and in vegetables grown in fields downhill from the slaughterhouses.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

4. fun vs food. i think there is a difference between the two.

[noamnety]

14. agreed

there's no difference to the animal whether the person relishes killing them, or does it matter of factly.

The difference is in the level of humanity of the person.

I lived on a boat for a time, and fishing was my source of protein. So this isn't an anti-hunting statement. But when you take joy in a hunt "for fun" like the Cheney killfests or exotic trophy hunts, rather than hunting or slaughtering for food, there is a difference in the mindset that's chilling. One is a pioneering survivalist spirit, the other is killing for the sheer joy of killing things.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

16. exactly. i have no problems with hunting if you are legitimately hunting for food

if you are doing it for fun/trophies and what not, its a bit nauseating.

[EstimatedProphet]

19. Well, of course - but who is doing it just for trophies?

I've never met anyone who does. I think the whole "trophy hunter" persona is overblown. The vast majority of people don't do it.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

20. my grand uncles all were. this is where the image comes from in my head

:P

no seriously, they wrote books on hunting big cats.

indian upper class at some point was pretty nauseating.

[EstimatedProphet]

22. OK, valid point

and that also went in in the past in Europe and the US. I think though, when I see threads like these, that people sometimes have the idea that hunting deer today is like how we hunted the buffalo, as if deer hunters go out and shoot hundreds of deer and let them rot where they fell. It's nothing like that any more.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

23. isnt bear hunting a bit like that still?

[Squatch]

25. Nope.

It isn't.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

26. people eat bear?

[Squatch]

30. Yep.

People sure do.

[jonnyblitz]

32. where I grew up in the woods of Maine they did.

not me. :puke:

[Squatch]

52. Eh...it makes for good goulasch.

but 200 pounds of goulasch can get a little tiresome after a while.

[napi21]

70. Yep! My FIL hunted bear in Pa. every year. He shot 3 of them, and

we ate all of them. Hunted deer every year too. We would usually have venison in the freezer for at least 6 month of the year. When it was all gone, even my kids would say "This hamburger isn't as good as it's been...what did you do?"

Bear is ok, it's just quite dry so you have to wrap bacon or something around a roast to keep it a bit moist and addsome lacking fat.

[noamnety]

28. The hunters I know don't do it.

But canned hunting is an entire industry.

And there are always people who kill just cause people have more right to exist on the land than animals. They aren't looking for trophies or food.

http://tommclaughlin.blogspot.com/2006/01/shooting-squirrels-published-12-8-05.html

And the woman who recently shot an albino deer, I assume she ate the meat, but when you read her words, it feels like there was extra joy that she killed something rare. There was definitely a trophy hunter mentality. "I had heard that it might be in the area, so I thought that here was my chance of a lifetime. So I had to creep a little bit, probably about 40 yards, to get a good place where I could steady myself a little bit. But then I did that and shot and it went right down," said Rakotz."

[EstimatedProphet]

51. Yes, canned hunting is an industry unto itself

However, it is only a small part of the whole.

[anniebelle]

58. You obviously haven't watched my 24/7 kill all channel.

We have a channel here on 24/7 that does nothing but show footage of killing all kinds of animal for nothing but sport. Surely you jest?

[EstimatedProphet]

72. Which channel is that?

Surely you're not going to try and compare hunting to what you see on an outdoor channel?

[mithnanthy]

104. You're lucky you didn't meet my adopted father.

He was a doctor AND a Big Game trophy hunter. He belonged to the Boone and Crockett Club and International Safari Club, among others. The "members" of these clubs are required to kill MANY exotic and large animals in order for the hunter to "rank" highly among his peers. The mental picture of the HUNDREDS of those poor stuffed dead animals in our house and cellar...goes beyond SAD. I eat NO meat and haven't for over 30 years. Each to their own. But these trophy hunters DO exist and google those Clubs I mentioned...for the LONG lists of animals that have to be killed for these men to feel MANLY. My 'father' shared Dick Cheney's path in many ways. grrrrr......

[freebrew]

66. What cheney does is not considered hunting.

If any of you actually know or hang around hunters, you would know that shooting animals in a 'game preserve'
is like shooting fish in a barrel. There's no hunting skills needed. The only thing you need to do is point and shoot.
And in dick's case you don't even need to know what you're shooting at. If it moves, fire away.

[lumberjack_jeff]

80. Sure there is. Convenience. n/t

[aikoaiko]

5. No difference to me. but I like eatin meet. the vegans probably think there's not difference either

but would want us to stop eating meat all together.

[Mountainman]

27. No they don't want you to stop eating meat altogether. At least I don't.

I'm not a vegan but am a vegetarian and I and most like me have our reasons to eat what we do but we don't go around trying to stop others from eating meat. That is a myth I think brought on by the actions of a few.

[noamnety]

60. I don't think it's unreasonable if you do want me to stop eating meat.

Sometimes peer pressure is a good thing, particularly when those doing the pressuring are standing on the environmentally/socially moral ground.

If you were trying to convince someone in a culture that depended on hunting for survival, I'd accuse you of not recognizing your own privilege. But you vs. me in this argument, you have a right to say I'm not doing the best thing for the environment, and while that education hasn't made me eliminate meat from my diet, it has made me cut back. I love an occasional good steak or chicken, but there's tofu in my fridge. I don't hunt deer, but I did have a long debate with the husband last winter when a dead deer appeared in our backyard and I wanted to chow down on it, but he was worried about health risks, not knowing what it died from. I lost that battle, but I have eaten guilt free road kill in the past, and if I hit and killed a deer by accident with my car, I'd rather eat it than have it go to waste.

Back to wanting others to turn greener in all aspects of their life, I think we all have a bit of a responsibility to curb our own destructive consumer habits, and to bring those habits to the attention of others. That's why we protest the war, right?

[Mountainman]

74. I feel that you need to make your own decisions for your own life. Or more to the point,

you make your own karma and it is not up to me to try and stop you from doing that. You decide what kind of karma you want to make and you will experience the results. What may bring about bad karma for me may not be for you.

[noamnety]

79. It's not a matter of "my own karma"

If it were, I'd agree with you.

The issue is that our decisions DON'T just affect us. They affect others, with permanent and often devastating results. People who are living in areas devastated by the affects of, say, pig farming in North Carolina, or folks who can no longer make a life for themselves in the amazon, or people who are being killed in Iraq because of this country's car efficiency standards don't give a shit about my new agey karma. They care that the environment is giving them cancer, or that it's ruining their ability to do sustainable farming, or that it's making them ill and that they are dying.

You decide what kind of karma you want to make and OTHER people experience the results. That's the whole problem.

[Mountainman]

86. The results are the karma you've created!

[Recursion]

90. Your karma is your attachment

You decide what kind of karma you want to make and OTHER people experience the results. That's the whole problem.

There's this very Western notion of different "kinds" of karma (eg "good karma", "bad karma"). Karma is karma; it's just attachment to self, identity, and other illusions. It is the cause of suffering. It is neither good nor bad; it's just karma.

Or so spake the Buddha, at least....

[noamnety]

95. I'm very much an atheist

and not a believer in karma, and it's likely I don't understand the finer points at all.

What I object to is the libertarian view that when we make our own decisions about consumption and materialism, other people aren't bearing the costs of those decisions. I think the way karma was originally used here was designed to obfuscate and hide the relationship between our lifestyle and the effects it has on the rest of humanity.

[BDW1964]

6. I do

I live on a ranch, a working one, in Texas. I hunt deer, feral hogs and turkey. I only hunt to either (1) feed my family or (2) control populations which negatively impact the ranch (mainly feral hogs).

I also raise cattle and generally take one as beef for a year to supplement the venison.

Deer are my main source of meat and a darned good one too. Generally venison is better than beef and the source is plentiful. Deer populations are large and growing. I call the Parks and Wildlife people after each deer is taken and provide them with the brain stem to check for Chronic Wasting Disease.

[IndianaJones]

7. If I'm lucky, me...most often, someone else. nt.

[AngryAmish]

8. What is it to you?

Is it any of your business?

[Mountainman]

29. I'm interested in the anti hunting ideas based on killing animals.

Most likely the anti hunting people eat animals killed by someone else so I ask them the question.

[CT_Progressive]

9. I don't know, but they sure are tasty !

Here are my rules for food:

- Meat is food.
- Vegetables are what food eats.
- Fruit are just sneaky vegetables, because they taste good.
- Fish are vegetables that swim.

[madokie]

18. after serving in the usnavy I can say I will and have eat about anything eatable

cook it and I'll eat it is my mo

[geek_sabre]

33. haha nt

[virginia mountainman]

10. Nothing at all...

[unpossibles]

11. n/a nt

[flvegan]

12. Vegan here, so nobody. But...

I do believe that there can be a big difference in regards to your question, but it pertains to the life the animal had beforehand.

[LeftyMom]

13. I don't eat corpses. nt

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

46. prove it

[PeaceNikki]

102. No problem dancing on them and spitting upon them when they are less righteous than you, though, huh

?

[madokie]

15. mine comes from the local grocery store pre packaged and all

just funning :rofl:

actually there is not much difference is there in whether I do it or someone else. Let me put a qualifier in here though. I was raised on the farm in the late 40s and the 50s and we hunted and ate what we killed. Not many dear in those days around here though but we did eat a lot of squirrels and rabbits. I can skin a squirrel or rabbit as fast as I can fillet a crappie if that gets me any points ;-)

[book_worm]

17. someone else does--but Thanks for asking.

[Peregrine Took]

21. I don't eat any and havent' for 12 years. "Cause no suffering to any being."

[Mythsaje]

24. There's a big difference.

I think hunting is more humane. By a long shot. Of course, I suffer no illusions as to where my food comes from. I grew up on a small ranch.

[Javaman]

31. flamebait. nt

[SyntaxError]

34. baby jesus....

[Dukkha]

35. big difference

a hunter's kill is essentially a free range animal. Whereas processed meat is subject to bovine hormones, questionable processing i.e. fecal matter in the meat, unsanitary conditions, cruel factory farming practices. "3D animals" (Dead, Diseased, or Disabled)

King Of The Hill just did an episode on this, where Hank Hill joined a co-op club so he gould have free range meat and organic farmed vegetables.

[tuckessee]

41. I get clean, healthy, organically raised cattle straight from the farm.

In fact, I drive by every day the cow that I will be eating next year. He was born & raised and will be slaughtered & butchered about 1/4 mile from where I live.

Livestock are not inherently less clean than wild animals. It's all in who raises & processes them.

[Recursion]

92. I buy from a direct-to-consumer farm too

It's a great model, and works surprisingly well. I buy a share of the herd and the harvest each season, so in return for taking some of the farm's risk on I get a really good deal on meat and vegetables. And if there's a bad harvest, I'm out a couple of grand, but the farm's still there for next season. Good deal, really...

[AlertLurker]

36. Ethically, food you kill and dress yourself should ALWAYS taste better.

[natrat]

37. oh gross,,i don't eat animals -that's for people who don't care

[Ikonoklast]

43. Really

Don't care about what, exactly?

Smug and self-righteousness must keep you warm at night.

[tuckessee]

38. The difference is livestock animals vs. wild animals.

Thousands of years have been spent by far-thinking humans to domesticate, develope & perfect certain strains of animals for food purposes.

Most other advanced nations, such as those in Europe, somehow sustain themselves through livestock & farming. They lack the hunting "culture" that permeates the US.

The US is the only nation that has a sizeable portion of the population who choose to remain stone-age and practice hunting & gathering.

If every American decided they had the "right" to kill wild animals for food all deer, turkey, dove, etc would go the way of the passenger pigeon.

[noonwitch]

39. No difference to me, as long as it all tastes good

I never could shoot Bambi myself, but I'll eat him once someone else prepares him.

I love steaks and prime rib. I love baby-cow parmesean. I'm a carnivore.

[sandnsea]

40. Hunting to extinction

It seems as long as we take animals out of the wild, we have a tendency to over "harvest", just like we're doing with the fisheries right now.

Some people object to the actual act of hunting, I don't understand that. They'd shoot something if they were hungry enough.

[tuckessee]

44. I'd shoot & eat you if I were hungry enough.

Most hunters aren't starving. Most truly poor live in the big cities and are far removed from the hunting culture.

Modern hunting is an activity for the well-to-do considering the weapons, special clothes & permits used by hunters.

[EstimatedProphet]

50. Modern hunting is a necessity for wildlife management.

Period. End of discussion. Until you come up with a sound, economic, viable method of controlling animal populations, hunting is still going to be necessary.

[tuckessee]

53. Then let's call it what it is.

Sport killing animals for population control.

There's no need for the self-righteous hunting crowd to harken back to primitive man or use the "harvesting food" mantra as excuses anymore.

[EstimatedProphet]

56. I've got no problem with that, provided -

1) "Sport" is dropped. It's not competitive (i.e. no scores), therefore it's not a sport.

2) For food and population control. There's a lot of subsistence huntinng that goes on in the US, a lot more than people generally realize. It is harvesting food, whether you realize it or not.

[LanternWaste]

64. It appears to validly fit the definition of sport...

It appears to validly fit the definition of "sport" as per Dictionary.com ...

1. An athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and *often* (emphasis mine) of a competitive nature...

[EstimatedProphet]

71. "Competitive" depends on your definition of competition

Most hunters hunt not to win a contest against someone else, but to bring home meat. But I will grant you the other parts. In any case, it isn't a sport in anywhere near the same sense as, say baseball.

But that's just IMO.

[sandnsea]

57. That's not true at all

A rifle is as common as a lawn mower for rural people. It does not take any special clothes, unless you consider an orange hat and vest expensive. A hunting license and tags is less than $100 in most places, less than $50 if you just go for deer. There are poor people everywhere. You need to get out more.

[gollygee]

61. There are LOTS of poor people living out in the country

and many of them hunt because it's a cheap way to get meat. In the summer poor people fish to get meat.

And in a lot of rural areas, *everyone* has a rifle, often handed down through the family from generation to generation. Special clothes? You need warm clothes no matter what if you live here in Michigan. And a permit doesn't cost that much compared to how much meat you get.

I don't hunt and my husband doesn't hunt, but we don't own a gun and we can afford food all winter. But I definitely know people who hunt in the fall and then live on venison stew, venison sausage, venison chili, etc., all winter. I also know people who hunt just to put a dead deer head on the wall, so certainly not all hunters fall into that category. But you're just wrong when you say most truly poor people live in big cities. There are tons of rural poor people in this country. And many of them do hunt for food.

[gollygee]

78. More info: a firearm deer hunting license for a resident of Michigan costs $15

http://www.mackinac.org/article.aspx?ID=9116



That's a lot of meat for $15 plus processing costs. And I think you can get three does if you want, so if one person hunted, he could supply food for three families for the winter. It isn't a hobby for the rich, as has been suggested.

[NickB79]

63. Many hunters get extra permits, and donate meat to the local food shelves

That's what my family does. Deer and snow geese, mainly.

[Xithras]

69. No truly poor people in the country? Are you kidding?

You really need to get off the highways more. Nationally, poverty rates for rural children are higher than those for urban children, and unlike the urban poor, there are rarely any support resources, shelters, or food banks for the rural poor to fall back on.

You can pick up a used hunting rifle for less than $50 in most small town gun stores, there is no special equipment required (I've hunted for years wearing jeans, gloves, and a warm jacket), and even the permits aren't all that expensive. Here in California it's $37 for the hunting license and $25 for the deer tag. If the poor want to save money, they'll drag their kid along and let him carry the rifle...the license is only $9 for kids under 16. But even with that adult tag, it works out to $62 for about 75 pounds of boneless meat (actual yield is higher, since few butchers debone). That's cheap meat.

Of course, if I were being entirely honest, I'd also tell you that many rural poor don't bother with tags. Rural residents tend to know the local police and rangers, know when they patrol, and know WHERE they patrol. It's not that hard to get away with dropping a buck out of season, when "getting away with it" just means transporting the body a couple of miles to your house, usually on little travelled back roads (a hunter once pointed out to me that it's possible to travel from Tahoe to Sequoia National Park entirely on dirt back roads...if you have a couple of days).

[kineneb]

81. willing to bet some of those rural poor hunters are my neighbors

and with the cost of food going up, I bet they have been out hunting. If the economy gets really bad, I may join them, having inherited grandpa's rifle. He used to hunt deer, as opposed to shooting deer. Once in a while he would actually get one, and we would have a freezer full of meat for the winter. He certainly was not a trophy hunter, not after living through the Depression. Hunting was for food.

There is no shortage of deer or turkeys here (rural NorCal); together they probably outnumber the people. Damned deer ran in front of my car on the (2 lane) highway... $250 deductable and several days later car was repaired. Turkeys are all over the place, hope I don't hit one of them; they are Big. They run in gangs, not flocks (cue music from Westside Story).

Tags, what stinking tags?:evilgrin:

[frogmarch]

42. No difference to me

I avoid eating animals and anything containing animal products.

I used to be a vegetarian, but now I'm a full-fledged vegan.

That, and my being an atheist, doesn't help me fit in very well around these parts.

[RiverStone]

45. If you eat them both, one is a lot healthier!

No fake hormones, antibiotics, or steroids. Game meat is far healthier and cheaper.

Now if one hunts simply to mount some damn trophy head on your wall (deer vs 30ought 6), then there is a difference. Farm production is cruel, but at least the by-products don't go to waste. Trophy hunting is wasteful, and does not a thing but feed a hunters ego.

If ya eat what you kill, hunting makes sense. Otherwise, its senseless.

[LanternWaste]

47. For my part (and my part alone)

For my part (and my part alone), it would make absolutely no difference to the local slaughterhouse if I buy a pound of hamburger meat. There would be zero difference in how many animals are, or are not slaughtered, regardless of my eating habits.

However... if I wore some trendy camo gear, bought some high-powered rifles and scopes (tricky insurgents, those deer), drove to the nearest hunting area in an SUV (which I think can now boast up to 10 soldiers to the gallon), there would most likely be a difference-- not merely in how many animals were slaughtered that day, but also in how I perceive myself.

Food is a necessity-- no one disputes that. But to find actual enjoyment and entertainment in killing is close to being pornographic (again, only to me and to me alone) and indicative that I certainly wouldn't want to be around that person.

That's my difference.

[tuckessee]

55. Well said

I'm not opposed to killing animals for food or any other necessity but am disgusted with the hunting culture.

Most hunters don't view harvesting wild animals as a chore - to them it's glorious fun, a major part of their identity and they live for the time of year when they can finally go out and kill something.

[EstimatedProphet]

73. You don't know most hunters

[tuckessee]

89. No, I don't.

It would be impossible for a single person such as myself to know the majority of the tens of millions of hunters that live in the United States.

I do, however, know more hunters than non-hunters, both as personal acquaintances as well as neighbors.

I live and have always lived in hunting areas. I live a rural lifestyle. I know hunters because I hang out with them. I live with them. I talk to many hunters every day just as part of my regular comings & goings.

I'm not some fancy city boy sitting around in a high rise picking on po' country folk tryin' to provide for their barefoot young'uns.

I can safely say I know the culture of hunting in the central Kentucky- central Tennessee area as well as I know the back of my hand.

[EstimatedProphet]

97. Then I really feel sorry for you

Because you must live your life boarded up in your house hiding under your bed. Because if you think your neighbors are all psychopaths who spend the entire year waiting for a chance to kill something, just to get a thrill,if I were you I'd be afraid to step outside my door.

[tuckessee]

98. That's you.

It doesn't cause me a bit of fear.

[951-Riverside]

48. Eat it or stave and go away.

I prefer you not eat it. :)

[slackmaster]

49. Chupacabra

[EFerrari]

59. LOL! The layers kept disappearing at my mom's place

and we couldn't figure it out so of course, we blamed Chupacabra. When we figured out it was a recent rescue dog, we named HIM Chupacabra. lol

[Hoof Hearted]

54. Factory farming creates cruel, unnatural lives and is an environmental scourge so we

don't eat meat at all.

[Perry Logan]

62. I would never eat an animal. What kind of barbarian do you think I am?

Don't answer that.

[NickB79]

65. If you are going to eat meat, hunting it is FAR more humane than farm-raised

I grew up on a small family farm, not a factory farm that most associate with cruelty, so I'll break down the life of a pig, from birth to slaughter.

-iron injections with large needles when they're less than 1 month old to increase growth rate
-if they get diarrheal infections, you put a tube down their throats and pump in anti-diarrheal meds
-clipping out their baby teeth as they come in (OUCH!) so that they don't bite their mother's teats and can suckle and fatten up longer
-cutting off their curly little tails with scissors so their brothers and sisters don't chew them off and cause infections
-the males are held down and castrated with a razor blade with no pain meds when they're ~25 lbs, and iodine is sprayed into the wounds
-penned up their entire lives, because they will burrow under fences if you try to pasture them

After that fun walk down memory lane, I'm gonna grill up some venison burgers tonight.

[Recursion]

91. There are "boutique" farms that don't do all that

I'm lucky that I can buy from one...

[donheld]

67. I eat it while it's still alive

It squirms for a while but it soon stops :D

[Alexander]

75. Nobody. I don't eat meat or gelatin.

[underpants]

76. The people we buy them from

well okay maybe not THEM specifically but they know the people who do it

[goodgd_yall]

82. Life is hell for an animal raised in a pen

And not so bad for an animal that can roam freely. Or maybe I'm anthropomorphizing. I prefer free-roaming cattle and chickens for my meat and egg source. I would prefer all animals raised for food had as close a life of freedom as possible. I signed a petition the day after Thanksgiving to outlaw factory farming in California.

[otherlander]

83. I don't eat animals.

I'm a vegetarian.

But the difference is that commercially slaughtered animals are kept in horrible conditions for their entire lives. If you go out and kill your own animals in the wild, the animal was able to live like animals are supposed to live, until you made it food. So hunting your own is probably better.

[uppityperson]

84. Mostly people I know or myself.

Buy cow locally from family of a friend, have a pig on order, do chickens on my own. Many yrs back I was faced with the dilemma, either kill and eat some old chickens (stew) or never eat meat again. It took a while, but I did it and nice to know I can. The chickens had good long lives, ate good food, were blessed while killing them, knew my dinner's name.

[ThomWV]

85. I do a bit of ours, but not most of it

We raise a couple of dozen chickens each year (16 this year) and I deal with them. In some years I'll raise a couple of turkeys, none this year though. We raise a couple of pigs some years too, but not this year or last, maybe in the spring. I don't deal with cattle even though we have enough cleared land in good grass/clover that we could - too big and too much trouble. I don't hunt much any more, so no deer; maybe a grouse or a few if luck is with me. Other than that we are typical grocery store people, but at least we know what its like to do your own. Its just so much easier now that we are older.

[knitter4democracy]

87. The bison's from a local butcher. The chicken from local Amish.

We don't hunt, but I support people who hunt to feed their families.

[defendandprotect]

93. None . . . both are violent acts . . . .

And -- undoubtledly, THIS is the sin in the Garden of Eden ---
not the eating of an APPLE . . .


How many hamburgers do DUer's eat every month --- ???

Maybe 12# of hamburger every month?

What would it take for them to get this "meat" themselves-?

To directly kill a cow --- slaughter it --- take it apart limb by limb -- skin it --- ???

Deal with the blood and guts --- ???

Same with a chicken -- how many chickens would you be willing to kill every week---?


So --- let's just say, there would obviously be many less "meat" meals ---



How many DUer's have ever been in a slaughterhouse or would want to even just HEAR what
happens in a slaughter house?

12 million animals slaughtered every day --- !!!!

[defendandprotect]

99. error-misplaced

[MrSlayer]

94. No difference to me. Hunting deer just seems like a lot of trouble for meat that is inferior.

I've had deer meat and I enjoy beef on a regular basis. There is no question as to what is the better tasting meat. And it's so much easier to procure. Simply pick up the phone and within a short amount of time the butcher kid shows up with your filet mignon. You can have all that running around the woods with a gun bit. And it's not really hunting when you just sit in a tree and wait for the thing to walk by so you can shoot it with a scoped rifle. It's like target practice. I have more respect for bow hunters, at least that takes a bit of skill. Jumping out of the tree with a spear would be even more "sporting". But hey, whatever floats your boat.

[RebelOne]

96. I don't eat animals. But who kills my vegetables?

[defendandprotect]

100. Additionally, your body knows what to do with veggies, fruits, nuts ---

Your body uses these foods/nutrients ---

On the other hand, your body has no use for animal/dairy and that's why its stored on your body ---

When doctors do by-pass surgeries, what they are removing is long white cords of animal fat ---

[faithfulcitizen]

101. Cars- I much prefer deer sprinkled with a little windsheild.

sorry. :)

[Throd]

103. Probably a Mexican in Merced County

If I had to stalk my own meat I would, but it is much easier to buy it on a styrofoam tray wrapped in cellophane.

I just use some middlemen to get meat on my grill.

[DutchLiberal]

105. There's no difference. They're equally despicable.

I'm a vegetarian, did you guess?