CNN does not even make a pretense of having a balanced political panel discussion any more...

[Blackhatjack]

While CNN touts itself as 'the best political team' on television, nothing could be further from the truth.

After the debate, they hosted James Carville and Repub Apologist J.C. Watts. Never disclosed Carville is an ADVISOR TO THE HILLARY CAMPAIGN. THere is a real balanced panel. THeir opinion? Hillary won.

Today CNN convenes a panel of Candy Crowley, Dana Bash and Suzanne Malveau, all Hillary backers led by Wolfie down that path. Their opinion of the Debate? Hillary won --AND not a single positive word about Edwards and Obama. Hmmmm ... they are all impartial right? Well they thought that the Hillary supporters who packed the Debate hall who booed Hillary's rivals was just fine.

So there you have it. CNN's 'best political team on television.'

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[K Gardner]

2. Thanks for this link !

unbelievable

[Harper_is_Bush]

4. Yeah, most rightwing propaganda is "unbelievable". n/t

[Harper_is_Bush]

3. Welcome to DU. Please don't post links to rightwing bullshit. Thx. n/t

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[Harper_is_Bush]

13. You think tagging someone as a "Democratic Operative" just because he's a Muslim leader isn't RW bs?

Ok then.

As for some of the others, OBVIOUSLY Democrats are the ones who want to attend and ask questions at a DEMOCRATIC debate. Any repukes trying to get in would have been screened out no doubt because their questions would have been about Lewinsky or why Dems are weak on terror, get it?

Your linked website (are you affiliated with it, btw?) is absolute rightwing prop.

[Mojorabbit]

24. Yes but pawning them off

as an average Joe off the street is wrong.

[Harper_is_Bush]

28. I asked it elsewhere of this poster, and I'll ask you the same....

...who would you expect to be interested in attending and asking questions at a Democrat debate?

It's no big surprise that the room would be full of Dems, and there's no need for CNN to dig into their past and report it prior to them asking a question. No need to reveal that they donated to a Dem previosly.
THAT is what would be wrong.

This rightwing website is swiftboating the questioners, and the poster thinks it somehow reflects badly on all the Dem candidates.

[Mojorabbit]

37. I expect it to be full of Dems

but the impression was given that these were just regular people.

[Harper_is_Bush]

43. Well, have a look at post #38. I don't know if a false impression was given or not, but I do know

that rightwing prop website (link since deleted by mods, presumably) carries on as if it's a scandel of Watergate proportions that Democrats would be the ones asking the questions.

And a Muslim leader? Wow, they really found a juicy one there. :eyes:

[Mojorabbit]

47. A false impression was given.

I watched the debate and thought they were regular joes. It is like those republican operatives who showed up in Florida for the vote count to protest it like they were men off the street. It was wrong then and wrong now. This election is turning into kabuki theater.

[rocktivity]

5. Welcome to DU, Bartlet4america!

The Vegas CNN debate coverage is coming apart faster than a stripper costume!

:headbang:
rocknation

[Harper_is_Bush]

23. This is RW prop. Please see post 13, 14, and 20.

None of us are impressed with MSM, but let's be careful not to let rightwing mind-fuckers exploit that.

That's all this blog is doing.

Also, you'll notice in post 16 the poster is now casting negative conjecture on all the Dem candidates over the "findings" of this RW blog.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

7. Jimmy Carter is the fater of the "islamic nazi movement?"

Nice fucking blog you've got there, genius.

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[Cessna Invesco Palin]

12. Yes, I'm sure democracy is your foremost concern.

More bullshit from your link:

Bill Clinton, you played ring around the Lewinsky while the terrorists were at war with us. You got us into a fight with them in Somalia, and then you ran from it. Your weak-willed responses emboldened the killers. Each time you failed to respond adequately they grew bolder, until 9/11

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[Harper_is_Bush]

19. Oh, as a "life long democrat" you "expected more from them". Now what are you doing?

Casting negative aspersions on all Dem candidates.

First of all, Democrat is capitalized.

Secondly, what are you doing here?

[bartlet4america]

22. Fair Question

Hmm, what am I doing here, I think I am realizing that I should just stick to reading these threads as I just don't like arguing on the internet. So hey have at it.


( Again, I should have looked at the rest of that page before I posted, it is actually pretty FAR RIGHT and just a smear page, I just got so upset when i read the top few lines, and I am sorry for not looking at the rest of it)

And even though this is mostly my fault, this reminds me a lot of the episode of west wing when Josh posts on the message board, ( LemonLyman) and things go out of control, so i am going to learn from that and go back to reading this message board and not posting before CJ has to come down and scream at me.lol

Yall have a nice day and may a Democrat win the White House and restore the Constitution !

-- Last Post

[Harper_is_Bush]

27. Nevermind the "rest of the page", even the crap you're trumpeting

is rightwing.

You've never answered any of my questions as to why a Muslim is logically considered to be a "righwing operative".

Or why you're assuming this reflects negatively on all the Dem candidates.

Or why the fact that if someone asking a question at a Democratic debate is a democrat we should assume they're a "plant".

Were you hoping they'd let some Bushie ask why the Dems are weak on terror?

[creeksneakers2]

38. The way I remember it, Wolf said the audience was undecided

Democrats.

The Nevada papers say the questioners were picked from and anti-poverty group and two unions. Nobody ever said GOP were allowed in.

[Harper_is_Bush]

17. Where is the proof of "planting people" in your little RW blog?

It's a swiftboat adventure....digging into people's past and equating any donation or college involvement as proof of them being "Democratic Operatives".

It breathlessly reports that one of them donated $2000 to a Dem candidate in the past...SO WHO FUCKING CARES?

Who do you expect to attend a Democratic debate? Republican Operatives? Probably there's a few in there, but OBVIOUSLY dems are going to be the ones interested in going. If they are "undecided", they're undecided. It's not up to CNN to dig into their past in swiftboat fashion (like your RW blog) and then report on their political stripes before they can ask a question.

Your assumption that the information on that piece of crap blog proves that people were "planted" is wrong.

[City Lights]

8. I've yet to see them disclose that William Schneider is an AEI member.

They don't even disclose it on their bio of him. Yet, there he is. CNN has been unbalanced for a long time, yet they still suck up to those bleating that the media is lib'rul.

[DFW]

10. Candy Crowley is a Hillary backer?

From the way she fawned over Bush in 2000, I would have thought she was a Giuliani or Romney backer.

[Harper_is_Bush]

14. Yeah, and Muslims are "Democratic Operatives". Nice little RW prop job. Look at the ads on the

left side of the sight. SCHIP is equated with communism.

Ain't that sweet?

[DFW]

18. I get the picture! LOL

[symbolman]

36. She mostly backs Ham

and 55 gallon drums of Gravy... I heard that she rolls in her Kill, but that's yet to be verified.. :)

[DFW]

41. Well, if you mean she's in little danger of being mistaken for Twiggy,

I would have to agree with you, there.........

[symbolman]

46. LOL!

I can tell by the reference that you are of the generation that wasn't hobbled by people who insult you for insulting other people, the whole right wing invention called "PC" :)

[DFW]

48. Ms. Crowley and her version of "reporting"

...have insulted my intelligence so often, I have not yet begun to even the score!

[Whisp]

44. I don't like Candy much at all, nor most at CNN, but

why the fat joke lameness?
do you say the same of Michael Moore?
I don't of either.

[symbolman]

45. Sure and to his face

I've met both, and was announced by Moore in a NY City Moveon.org event..

Lame? Its a free country, bub, and as a Veteran who fought for free speech, especially NON PC Bullshit, I'll call someone FAT if I want to :)

[Whisp]

49. so this is what you think free speech is....

alrighty then...

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

11. The people who control U.S. MSM are ...

...not messing around here -- Hillary as the Dem nominee is not just something they'd like to see happen, it's something they're very, very determined to MAKE happen.

Just imagine how many votes would have to be flipped in order to install Ghouliani in '08 if Edwards, Obama, Kucinich or any of the other Dem candidates got the Dem nomination. It isn't feasible and they know it -- they can flip maybe up to 10% with plausible deniability, but not 40%. And what would they do about the pre-election polling in September/October of next year that would show the Dem nominee winning by a record landslide?

They believe Hillary makes these problems go away. Her installation as the Dem nominee has been predetermined and is not negotiable.

[MadHound]

15. Yep, she is the corporate annointed candidate,

And the corporate media is doing their part to install her in the White House. What's scary is the policies and laws that she will enact. Since she will be more beholden to her corporate masters rather than us regualar voters, guess who those policies and laws will favor?:eyes:

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

21. You may be correct that they intend her...

...for the White House, but I believe they intend to install Ghouliani. It looks to me like that's what's being set up -- a Ghouliani regime to oversee the economic collapse and tend to the final steps in the complete and permanent dismantling of our original governmental system.

[MadHound]

39. As always, follow the money

Hillary is getting the largest amount of corporate cash, in fact the largest amount of cash period. Ghuliani is running a distant fourth in the money race, with about half of what Hillary's raised.

Hillary is the darling of the health industry, financial sector, media sector and sadly, the defense sector. These big money donors wouldn't be putting money into her campaign without expecting a return on it. Besides, when the whole house of cards collapses, they can blame a nominal Democrat rather than a nominal Republican. <http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/index.asp?cycle=2008>

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

40. Ghouliani and Hillary are not head-to-head yet...

...but your follow the money logic is sound, and I hope you're right -- not that I want Hillary in the WH, but Ghouliani would be an absolute nightmare.

[Harper_is_Bush]

20. You're being duped by this RW prop piece.

This isn't about Carville, this blog is swiftboating all the questioners, and in a despicable way.

If someone is Muslim, well then, they must be a "Democratic Operative".

Not to mention the ad on the side of the site that equates SCHIP with communism.

Please don't lend cred to this poster and his blog.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

25. I formed the opinion I expressed before reading the OP...

...and I saw nothing that even hints of RW rhetoric in the OP.

[Harper_is_Bush]

30. You're right, I'm sorry. I'm taking issue with post #1, not the OP.

Sorry about that.

[Blackhatjack]

26. I watched the Vegas Debate and Non-Hillary Candidates Made Many Positive Comments....

but CNN assembles a 'panel' of political experts to give their opinions of the Debate, and not one of them has a positive thing to say about any Democratic Candidate EXCEPT Hillary.

It could not be clearer.

Panel discussions with pundits pretending to be impartial do not engage in this kind of conduct when there is so much evidence to refute it.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

32. It can be understood, I think, when you stop and consider...

...what could actually be at stake for the war criminals currently in power. They will do whatever they think is necessary to avoid accountability (war crimes trials). Hillary's installation is of immense importance to them in this regard, they will accept no substitutes.

[theNotoriousP.I.G.]

29. not only not a single positive word

about Edwards or Obama, they tore them both to shreds. Their bias was especially nauseating when Suzanne Malveaux talked about the questions from the audience and that they were basically pro-Hillary and Edwards and Obama both got booed.
She failed to mention that all the fucking questions had been pre-screened/approved by CNN and some people's serious questions had been tossed out in favor of questions like does Hillary prefer diamonds or pearls.

I laughed in disgust and turned the fucking channel.

[bartlet4america]

31. Sorry

I am sorry for not reading and even looking at the rest of the site, I should have, I just got to upset and made like the worst first post I could have made. In that I am sorry. I looked at the rest of it and am just cringing with how horrible it is.

But honestly I think I like reading these boards better than talking on them, so everyone keep talking and I will keep reading.

And may a Democrat win the White House and restore the Constitution.

[Blackhatjack]

35. You need to keep posting... issues are not owned by anyone, and we can all learn from raising them

Don't remain silent.

Even if people posting here do not agree with you, we all learn from the discussion.

Welcome to DU !!!

[Quantess]

50. Whoops. Looks like you got your wish.

"But honestly I think I like reading these boards better than talking on them, so everyone keep talking and I will keep reading."

I missed your earlier posts. There is a lot of good reading, especially on Latest Breaking News.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=102

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

33. K & R. 5th Rec.

[Cha]

34. Why should they?

How long have they gotten away with this shit? Since Ted Turner sold it ..only to have it snowball into fascistmediachorus it is today.

obamian (177 posts) Fri Nov-16-07 11:18 PM
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Snippets~

"More on the Nevada Debate Crowd
The school of UNLV President Emerita Carol Harter who is a Co-Chair of Hillary Clinton's campaign in Nevada and a member of her Nevada Women's Leadership Council hosted a clearly biased debate.

This was a debate officially sanctioned by the DNC, not an interest group. The Democratic Party should not allow any debate where the audience overwhelming favors one candidate.

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Here's some more information on that debate:

"I want to comment on a couple of issues relating to the Debate because I feel it is important to speak out about it. I have had some inside information about how this debate was conducted and I think that CNN and those who organized this debate have a responsiblity to answer for the way it was conducted. You may have noticed that there was an obvious audience bias in favor of Sen. Hillary Clinton and often times a audience bias against Sen. Edwards and Sen. Obama. It was clear when Clinton gave her answers the audience was sreaming and clapping, but on several occasions Barack Obama, John Edwards and Dennis Kucinich were actually booed and interupted by protesters. There is actually a logical reason for this kind of not-so-subtle bias in the audience and in the moderators, and I have some inside information about what occured just in the last 24 hours that changed the dynamics of this debate.

Anyone who has been to the Thomas and Mack Center was probably wondering why the audience seemed so small. So where was the debate actually held you ask? It was Held at the Cox Pavilion, which is also on the Campus of UNLV. For those who don't know, the Thomas and Mack Center is an arena, it holds at least 20,000 people. The Cox Pavilion holds about 2,000 people. So in one day we went from being able to hold 20,000 people, to less than 10% of that. hmm.. Well you might say, they may not have had enough people, or they wouldn't have been able to keep the debate secure, afterall Sen. Obama and Sen. Clinton are under secret service protection, and an arena like Thomas and Mack wouldn't be secure. Well...... I actually know a little something about this, because I was in Las Vegas in July of 2004. What was going on in July of 2004 you ask? Well Sen. John Kerry was running for President, and I just happened to be at the Thomas and Mack Center back in July of 2004 when Sen. John Kerry visited Las Vegas. There was no issue with security even though as the Democratic Nominee, John Kerry was under Secret Service Protection. We simply moved through metal detectors, and the whole Thomas and Mack Center was PACKED. It was not an issue of security, because there are very easy ways of dealing with that issue.

So then, who cares about them moving it to the Cox Pavilion? Well, HERE is the BIG Problem. I have learned from my friends who are well connected to Nevada Democratic Politics that in fact the audience was actually pre-screened.
snip..
So you have only well connected members of the Nevada State Democratic Party and the Staff at UNLV, and about 100 actual students at UNLV who were in the audience. So, please explain this to me like I am stupid. Why, one day before the debate, did CNN and the Nevada State Democratic Party change the location of the Debate from the Huge Thomas and Mack Center to the Cox Pavilion which is about 10 times smaller, and why did they gave the tickets to only the well connected Democrats in the Nevada State Democratic Party, and to the Staff of UNLV, with the remaining 100 being selected by a "lottery"? Is that really an accurate representation of Las Vegas or Nevada? Why were regular Nevada Democrats not allowed to come and watch this debate? Why did the moderators of the debate allow interuptions of the candidates with booing and yelling and then not allow them to answer fully after being so rudely interupted? What am I missing?

So much more..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3729174

And they try so hard to coordinate so no one will ever suspect they're coporatemediawhores. cnn is insulting Americans and some are not even offended..hmmm?

[Trillo]

42. One of the desires for an Article V is allegedly

for the people to regain control of the airwaves.

[spanone]

51. ...and we're winning in Iraq.

[Rex]

52. Um...CNN left the 'fair and balanced' train years ago.

Just look at their favortie son, Glenn Beck. Nuffsaid.