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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 03:10 PM
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250 Homeless people have set up camp at New Orleans city hall
Homeless camp at New Orleans city hall

By JOHN MORENO GONZALES, Associated Press Writer Fri Nov 16, 3:45 PM ET


NEW ORLEANS - The homeless of New Orleans have left the city's shelters and gutted buildings to set up camp on the mayor's doorstep.

About 250 homeless people have erected pup-tents the only affordable housing they say they could find since Hurricane Katrina and created a colony of despair in a grassy plaza outside City Hall.

Mayor Ray Nagin's second-floor office faces the camp, and its residents rally almost daily with the chant: "Hey, Ray! How about a house today!"

Nagin has not met with the group, but he said in a statement that the city "is working with numerous agencies to address the homelessness" that worsened after the hurricane.

The mayor said many of the homeless in Duncan Plaza have refused temporary shelter and rental assistance, and he is concerned about unsanitary conditions and safety.

Julius Nelson, 32, leader of a group called Homeless Pride that formed in the plaza, said shelters are overflowing and rental assistance is useless in a city where the storm destroyed most of the inexpensive apartments. He feared Nagin's statement meant the mayor would break up the camp.

"You've got people all over New Orleans sleeping in abandoned buildings, in abandoned cars, everywhere," Nelson said. "You don't have any affordable housing. People don't even go to the crowded shelters. They come straight here."

New Orleans has 12,000 homeless people, up from 6,300 before Katrina, according to UNITY of Greater New Orleans, a group that helps the homeless.

more...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071116/ap_on_re_us/katrina... ;_ylt=Ap3H1mVaNPlCMdHqAoCSx8ys0NUE
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SharkSquid Donating Member (659 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 03:12 PM
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1. And what is it that the mayor is supposed to do?
Im unclear?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 03:20 PM
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2. Maybe be a bit concerned with providing some roofs for these homeless
people, the number of them having doubled since Katrina? I'm sure they're not asking for the world, but a little help from local government doesn't seem to be too much to ask when you consider the tourist industry is close to up-to-speed.

Or nothing, which is what has been happening.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 03:28 PM
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4. The locusts, including Nagin, shut down public housing
that was not touched by water.

Let's call this what it is: it's ethnic cleansing.
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SharkSquid Donating Member (659 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 06:57 AM
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8. Ethnic Cleansing
Of who? Black People? When are they going to come for Ray?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 02:03 PM
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13. There's a caste system in NOLA. I don't know enough about it
to comment except that I know it exists.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 05:24 PM
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28. The "paper bag test" has been prevalent since before the 19th century. n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 01:33 PM
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43. I don't even know what that is. n/t
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 02:13 PM
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46. Hold a paper bag next to your skin.
Which is darker, you or the bag? The idea, if you can call it that, was to find a way to separate the races in a city that has tens of thousands of mixed-race people.

It figured into an episode of CBS' all-too-short-lived "Frank's Place". The intricacies of this system were being explained to an African American who had just come down from Boston. Shorty, the white chef, piped up: "That's the only test I ever passed!"
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 02:17 PM
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47. We sure are a creative race, us human beans.
:wow:
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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 04:15 PM
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17. "Of who?" You can't be serious.
If you are so ill-informed as to the demographics of NO pre-and post Katrina, ten minutes reading could enlighten you. And if you wonder at the factors behind that change, a few more minutes search is all it takes.

Such deliberate obtuseness as you display is suspiciously disingenuous.
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SharkSquid Donating Member (659 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 06:10 PM
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31.  suspiciously disingenuous
How so, I was just down there a few months ago with work and the demographics looks the same as when I was there in 02. I know its not scientific at all but honestly I have abotu 3000 issues both political and non political going on in my life where the becoming intimately involved in the "ethnic cleansing" going on in NOLA is not on the top of my list. I was involved in the hurrican as it hit and in dealing with the immediate aftermath but I am sorry that I can not spend my entire life tied up and involved in the problems of EVERYONE else when the problems in Jacksonville and Florida seem to suck up most of my life.

But I dont even know why I am explaining myself to you...
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NOLALady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 11:51 PM
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36. If 02 and 07 demographics look the same to you,
you were not paying attention.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 04:22 PM
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19. Where have you been?
Can't check your profile so I don't know if you were here in 2005 when many New Orleans residents were here and gave us a first hand report of what was happening in that city. Yes ethnic cleansing is an accurate description of what is happening.
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 05:10 PM
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25. you have no idea, do you?
Yes, there is a caste system in Louisiana.

No, Ray Nagin (spit) isn't exactly at the bottom of it.

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SharkSquid Donating Member (659 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 06:54 AM
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40. Us ignoramus' here in Florida
Dont think about the racial issues in Louisiana as a matter of course, sorry.
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NOLALady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 11:47 PM
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35. Ethnic cleansing of poor Black people.
Not all of the New Orleans Blacks (Ray Naquin) were poor. Also, Blacks like Ray are not a threat since he's really a Republican.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:07 AM
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37. Greg Palast reported that the developers have been wanting
that land for years. His report on how the public housing was shut down got him arrested by Homeland Security. Or, maybe he was arrested because he reported that BushCo knew the levies breached and didn't tell anyone. So many crimes, it's hard to keep up with them all.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 04:02 PM
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14. Ding ding ding! You are correct, sfexpat.
How dare that new poster -- without a profile, mind you -- talk down to someone with a big heart who cares enough to pay attention to the facts. It is he/she who is clueless.

It is true that the white citizenry, particularly the blue bloods in the N.O. district, have had contempt for public housing for as long as I remember. The previous mayor, Morial, had a plan that had the white citizenry in the suburbs shivering: close down public housing & relocate the residents to the suburbs by providing low-cost housing. To be fair, what made the suburbanites uneasy is that, on any given day, the local news reported gun shots, stabbings, etc., in the "projects". I'm no sociology expert; I don't know whether Morial's idea would have been a success or a disaster, but I think his heart was in the right place: he wanted those residents to get the opportunity to live in neighborhoods as homeowners, to give them a sense of pride.

Common decency & common sense tell me that when people's homes are taken away from them, the government should do everything it can to give them another home (not a group-living, covered pavillion, but their own private living spaces) in an expedient manner. These people who are camping outside the mayor's office are doing the right thing. They've been ignored for too long & this may get the mayor off his behind.
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SharkSquid Donating Member (659 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 05:22 PM
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27. I put up a profile
I know I know how dare I open my mouth and ask a damn question...

You guys are abotu 40 lbs of self-righteousness in a 2 lb bag.
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 05:52 PM
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29. I don't see it...
Try again. There's no profile icon for you.

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SharkSquid Donating Member (659 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 06:04 PM
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30. Fixed
I figured out what was wrong.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 03:26 PM
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3. His job. n/t
Edited on Sat Nov-17-07 03:27 PM by sfexpat2000
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SharkSquid Donating Member (659 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 06:57 AM
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9. And what is his job with respect to this?
That is where I am unclear?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 11:01 AM
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10. I live in San Francisco. Our mayor ran on resolving homelessness here.
He said he'd make it his number one priority. If Gavin Newsom can prioritize homelessness, so can Nagin.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 04:11 PM
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16. His job is to reopen the undamaged public housing that residents
have been barred from since the Storm.

There is perfectly good housing that the former residents are not allowed to move back into. It has been boarded up and padlocked. The reason? It stands near the French Quarter on high ground, and rumors are that Big Real Estate is looking for an excuse to get the public housing torn down so that they can build expensive condos.

Instead of playing dumb, you need to do some reading up on the kind of corruption and ethnic cleansing that has been occurring in New Orleans and on the Gulf Coast since Katrina.

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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 04:33 PM
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20. Thank you Lydia
I wish John Edwards (or any candidate) would take cameras to these places. That would be acting like Bobby.
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 04:55 PM
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23. Next to the French Quarter...that explains a lot......
Ding Ding Ding!!!!!!


There is perfectly good housing that the former residents are not allowed to move back into. It has been boarded up and padlocked. The reason? It stands near the French Quarter on high ground, and rumors are that Big Real Estate is looking for an excuse to get the public housing torn down so that they can build expensive condos."
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SharkSquid Donating Member (659 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 05:20 PM
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26. Do you have some links
So I do not have to end up with all the conspiracy nut crap you get if you google?

If you are going to be so damn self righteous about me "doing the research" how about you help me out with some info since you clearly already have the information. We dont have a post-hurricane ethnic cleansing problem here in Jacksonville so my organic knowledge is a little rusty.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 09:21 PM
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33. I first learned of it on Democracy Now
Check their website. I've seen other references, too, but I don't keep catalogues of links.
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SharkSquid Donating Member (659 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 01:36 PM
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45. Gracias for the link
I will check it out when I get a chance.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 03:42 PM
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6. He's supposed to do his job, SS.
His job.
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SharkSquid Donating Member (659 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 06:52 AM
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39. You are such a wealth of information
DS
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 01:35 PM
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44. Do you have no search engines at your disposal?
Someone up thread gave you a great referral -- www.democracynow.org . Go there and search. Amy Goodman has been covering this issue extensively.
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 03:39 PM
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5. More power to them! Other homeless encampments have been quite successful
I helped organize just such a "homeless uprising" in Portland. The city finally just gave them some land to set up their own 'shanty town' built with re-used lumber and recycled materials...they even have wind powered infrastructure now. they've been rocking since 2001. It's become a valuable "transitional" place for hundreds of homeless until they found something better.

http://www.dignityvillage.org/content/
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 03:49 PM
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7. More power to them!
May they succeed in addressing affordable housing.

That homeless city in Portland is great! I love Portland Oregon, lived around there in the eighties.

I was homeless for a spell here in Tucson a few years back, and not too far removed from it now. It is hard to be in such a situation.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 04:11 PM
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15. That's what I was left
with when I read this.."I'm glad they have someone to lead and organize them so they'll be able to get resolution."

Portland, Oregon sounds like the best! Thanks for doing that, Impeachment_M.
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 10:35 PM
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34. It may be much more difficult, dealt with more harshly by "authorities" now post 911
but I certainly hope not. We had already been granted the land and begun construction when 911 happened. Given the harsh
treatment by police these daze of protesters and dissidents .. or even deranged people in public places, I shudder to think
of what kind of treatment homeless people are given currently. It's almost totally disappeared as even a big issue for
people, esp. in that you hardly ever hear Prez candidates even bring the subject up.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 05:32 PM
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48. Yeah, Since this
government was directly responsible for making them "homeless" I see what you mean. Up a sharp incline..all the way!
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 12:45 PM
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11. Let's get this to the greatest page!
:kick:
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 01:10 PM
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12. They should call it Bushville
Just like those before them called these Hooverville.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 04:17 PM
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18. I guess..I couldn't
stand living in a place that I had to say his awful name. I freak out when I have to even say that word for a bigger shrub. I just call him asshole or whatever suits my mood at the moment.

How about something like..named after somebody who is a positive remainder of perserverence and inspiration? :)
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 01:44 AM
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38. The name was originally given in derision
and blame to Hoover. I think the same applies to Bush. He deserves to have his name be synonymous with shame.
However, I understand your point and would be with you to have new adequate housing named in honor of someone like Carter, who has worked constantly to get people decent housing.

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 05:35 PM
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49. Yeah, the history of that would
make it *ville, but we can change that! I like your idea, "Carterville"! :D A lot!
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Baby Snooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 04:33 PM
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21. They need to go set up a camp in San Francisco
Let Madame Speaker see the faces of the homeless of New Orleans and have them arrested and let everyone see her finally for what she is.

She is the face of the Democrats who have done absolutely nothing to help these people. Blame the mayor, blame the governor, but blame the Speaker of the House as well since she believes homeless people should be arrested for simply bothering people with their presence.

It doesn't take that long to build affordable housing and affordable housing complexes. Nagin is full of it. And he is pandering to the upper class that simply wants to gentrify New Orleans. Mainly the white upper class I should add. And Pelosi obviously is there to help him help them do just that. New Orleans is a symbol, really, of the gentrification of our country. The haves and have nots. And the haves wish the have nots would move elsewhere. Out of sight, out of mind.

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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 04:42 PM
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22. "Send in the Blackwater Holy Warriors." - Commander AWOL Bush
Edited on Sun Nov-18-07 04:51 PM by SpiralHawk
"The Blackwater Boyos have the guns and muscle to shove some freedom and justice down the gullet of these noisy New Orleans proles, and to show them their place once and for all. Smirk. Smirk. Smirk."

"To maximize republicon crony PROFIT, and of course to exercise some good old Konzervative Kompassion, I hereby command Blackwater, Inc. to "Take Care" of the noisy homeless prole problem."

- Commander AWOL,
Uber Hero of the Skull & Boner Occult Division
Republicon Christofascist Homelander Marching and Snorting Society



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SharkSquid Donating Member (659 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 06:55 AM
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41. HAHAHA
So snarky :)
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 05:08 PM
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24. good spots for shanty towns: Bourbon Street, outside the Cabildo, Congo Square...
The authorities won't take the padlocks off those undamaged public housing complexes? Guess the leaseholders will just have to build themselves shacks somewhere else.

Might as well pick a good location.

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SharkSquid Donating Member (659 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 07:10 PM
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32. Come stay with me at the
Naval Base, there is room for 5 more in my room.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 01:32 PM
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42. kick
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