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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 01:32 PM
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CNN Confesses Sin of "Unfortunate Omission", Did Not Give Full Disclosure on Carville Post-Debate!


This debate just blew up in Hillary's face in the NY Times. Jonathan Klein, the CNN president just admitted that Anderson Cooper's introduction of Carville had an "unfortunate omission"! But why was Carville selected with Gergen in the first place to do post-dabtae analysis!?!?

Carville painted a picture of a victorious Clinton of course.

That is the real fix that's going on here and I hope this continues so that people criticize CNN not for the omission but for the selction of Carville in the first place as he is too obviously biased to do post-debate analysis.


Clinton Friends Role Sets Off Intense Criticism of CNN and a Re-examination

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton prepared for a battle with her Democratic rivals at the CNN-sponsored debate on Thursday night. She did not have much to fear from the postdebate round table.

Candidate Topic PagesMore Politics NewsAmong the experts trotted out by CNN to comment was James Carville, a Democratic strategist and CNN commentator who is also a close friend of Mrs. Clinton and a contributor to her campaign.

Mr. Carvilles presence aroused the fury of rivals and bloggers. They called it a conflict of interest and criticized CNN.

Would it kill CNN to disclose that James Carville is a partisan Clinton supporter when talking about the presidential race? Markos Moulitsas wrote on his liberal blog, Daily Kos. Mr. Moulitsas drew hundreds of comments.

Tom Reynolds, a spokesman for Gov. Bill Richardson of New Mexico, who is also seeking the Democratic nomination, said: What you saw last night lacked full disclosure. The average viewer out in middle America may not know the inside-the-Beltway connection.


A CNN executive conceded that the cable channel should have more fully disclosed Mr. Carvilles past and that it was discussing how to handle such situations.

The criticisms were among a series against CNN for how it managed the debate, a two-hour event in Las Vegas that ran nearly 15 minutes late. Viewers criticized segments like the opening, when candidates bounded onto the stage in a style reminiscent of a sports event.

Voters and commentators wrote online about how the audience cheered and booed, the way the CNN hosts reframed audience questions and whether it was correct to demand yes-or-no answers to complex questions.


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/17/us/politics/17cnn.htm...

CNN executives said they routinely reminded viewers of Mr. Carvilles affiliation in his segments. On Thursday, Anderson Cooper, the CNN host who moderated the round table, said, I should point out David Gergen was an adviser in the Bill Clinton White House, as, of course, was James Carville.

That was not enough for Jonathan Klein, the CNN president who said in an interview that the disclosure fell short.

Hes not on the Hillary payroll, but hes on the Hillary bandwagon, and that should be disclosed as much as we can, Mr. Klein said. I wasnt comfortable with it myself as I watched it.


He has disclosed all of this previously and repeatedly on our air, he continued. He happened not to last night, and its an unfortunate omission.

http://www.dailykos.com /



If you want CNN to have a bigger black eye over their fixing of the post-debate and get them to change their behavior, RECOMMEND



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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 01:35 PM
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1. K&Rec...
In the name of exposing CNN's disgusting shilling for Hillary on debate night. Fuckem!
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 01:36 PM
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2. And the ONLY reason they confessed is because people cried 'foul'. nt
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 02:14 PM
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9. Exactly right.
More to the point, it was only exposed because The Left of The Party spoke up and out.

That, dear friends, is Muscle Flexing. When you really have it, you sometimes don't know you have it.

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 02:35 PM
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13. That's what
We The People are for!
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:09 PM
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30. Does any one really think that post-debate viewers didn't know who Carville was?
I mean really, only the junkies watched the debate and only we ultra-junkies watched the post debate.
Much a-do, over less than nothing, in my opinion.
YMMV.
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Madam Mossfern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:49 PM
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33. From what I have heard
there were more than just political junkies watching this debate. There is a serious issue with most people who traditionally vote Democrat being quite confused over the primary race. I have yet to hear a majority of people where I live and work claim that they like Hillary, yet it's perplexing to understand this in light of the media coverage.

After watching the post debate commentary, I was really confused, thinking that perhaps they were commenting on a debate other than the one I watched. What I can say is that when discussing it with someone who I am close to who is not affiliated with any political party, he claimed that he thought that Hillary was abysmal and that Kucinich was great. Mind you, this is a person who FORCED me to read Ayn Rand when I was in my 20's (in the day of the dinosaur)
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 09:04 AM
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73. Welcome to DU, Madam Mossfern. This is an ugly time here, but
it's not always like this. Thank you for your observations.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 07:56 PM
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45. riiiight. its not rigged as long as it rigged for HRC.
is that what you're saying?

What if the pundit was a contributor to Obama's campaign, would you be equally ok with that?
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 08:28 AM
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67. So, you confess you had no idea who James Carville was?
I'm not surprised at your failure of political knowledge here, considering the empty content of the few posts of yours I remember chuckling at. Perhaps you might consider a good night course at a local community college?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 09:03 AM
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72. You are unreal. Empty content? That's insulting.
Like you are above everyone? Please, get over yourself.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 08:05 AM
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64. Do you think CNN didn't know who Carville was? !!!
It was obvious he was biased for Hillary. Nothing wrong with that. But why not get pundits who were not so biased for commentary. It isn't as if Carville and Gerkin were the only ones free that night....

Quite frankly, as bad as pundit analysis has been, maybe the networks should just skip it entirely and let the "debates" speak for themselves!

There were just too many goofy things about last week's debate, as pointed out above.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 08:31 AM
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68. That's silly. Was he introdudced as 'some guy who never met Clinton'?
You're claiming the political junkies tuned in to a post debate show would have no idea who James Carville was? And that CNN tried to foist a stealth Clintonista onto an unsuspecting audience? That's silly.
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 08:47 AM
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69. Depends on your age and what you pay attention to. I happen to
Edited on Sun Nov-18-07 08:48 AM by glowing
remember Clinton years, and vaguely at that... I was in highschool and college. I remember Carville because he married the Repug wife and that was like some huge controversy, even though it happens everyday all across America. Anyway, I remember, but I doubt any 20yr old remembers who he was back when they were like 8 yrs old. Not everyone knows who these people are. And if I asked an average Joe who Carville was, I highly doubt they'd know. Have you ever seen those clips when people go out onto the street and half of them can't name the V.P., how the hell would they identify an old Clinton advisor and friend? I agree its deceitful.. and I think more people are trying to pay attention this time around... I think we all agree we don't want another Bush and we don't want to be dupped again.
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mrdmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 04:22 PM
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84. James Carville and David Gergen both worked for the Mr. Clinton Administration
Both of these people were instrumental in moving the Clinton administration and the Democratic Party to the right (i.e. toward the issues that benefit the corporations only). I remember this well, unlike some in the media.

This is beyond pale how this Debate and the follow-up (Post Debate) was planned and executed with the people who worked for the Clinton's.

If this group Democrats had any clue this would became the "talk of the town" and how badly it could damage the cause of all Democratic Candidates or the election process as a whole, thus may lead to the destruction of this country just to get somebody in power, then this group is deplorable. That is if this group had a clue! Now if this group did not care about the results of their actions just to get somebody in power, then they rate right up there with the Bush Jr. Administration. There is no ifs, ands or buts, the damage has been done!
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 01:37 PM
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3. k&r!
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 01:38 PM
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4. Uh oh. K&R
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 01:39 PM
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5. The folks on the net have some influence
That's great.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 01:43 PM
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6. Yes and without bloggers the Sneate would still be GOP
Some day we will RULE!
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 10:31 AM
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79. Congrats
Congrats to all of you bloggers who forced this into the MSM news.

The horror of watching that rigged debate forced ME back into political discussion, and I am thrilled to have found this active and coherent gathering of minds ! Keep up the good work :-)
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Terri S Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 01:44 PM
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7. Uh oh, those darn internets
Bet they yearn for the days when the public sat zombie-like in front of the tv and swallowed everything they dished out.

K&R
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 01:47 PM
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8. bad business and speaking of bad business why is the media not blowing up the
Guiliani/Kerik/Reagan story?
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MLFerrell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 02:19 PM
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10. Carville may be the ugliest man on the planet.
And his wife is a grade-A... Oh, wait. That would be sexist.
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wake.up.america Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 02:29 AM
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58. Es ist mir egal wie er ausschaut. Unwichtig!
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 02:40 AM
Response to Reply #58
60. Aber sein Frau! Solch ein sauer Gesicht immer!
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 02:26 PM
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11. For any viewer who may never have seen Carville before, they should make clear that the segment is
Edited on Sat Nov-17-07 02:27 PM by hisownpetard
political and they will not be discussing UFOs or alien forms of life...

Seriously, do his eyes glow in the dark?

Edit:wrd
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 02:32 PM
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12. I'm freakin' shocked that
they're owning up to this!! Usually observations made on DU get swept down the black hole of the corporatemediashores.

This debate was soooooooooooooo Rigged.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 02:53 PM
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14. and if anyone is wondering why Carville is so hated by some at DU-here:
Did Carville Tip Bush Off to Kerry Strategy (Woodward)


By M.J. Rosenberg | bio




On page 344, Woodward describes the doings at the White House in the early morning hours of Wednesday, the day after the '04 election.

Apparently, Kerry had decided not to concede. There were 250,000 outstanding ballots in Ohio.

So Kerry decides to fight. In fact, he considers going to Ohio to camp out with his voters until there is a recount. This is the last thing the White House needs, especially after Florida 2000.

-snip

"Carville told her he had some inside news. The Kerry campaign was going to challenge the provisional ballots in Ohio -- perhaps up to 250,000 of them. 'I don't agree with it, Carville said. I'm just telling you that's what they're talking about.'

-snip

http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did...


HOW CONVENIENT FOR HRC THAT KERRY/EDWARDS DID NOT FIGHT FOR THOSE OHIO VOTES!
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Ninga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 04:06 PM
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19. I will remember this the next time I see Edwards and Clinton on the same stage together.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:29 PM
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48. Oh And let's not forget that Carville assisted the goon of a billionaire
Edited on Sat Nov-17-07 08:32 PM by truedelphi
That was running against Chavez in Venezuela.

Also, some involved with the Ohio matter think the number of ballots that were available to be counted was closer to 400,00 - but as the saying goes, "But who is counting??"

Kerry gets led into believing that he has only 150,000 to 160,000 ballots to offer him any hope of catching up to Bush's 138,000 ballot lead (A lead that will over the years get dropped down to roughly 40,000! But again, who is counting??)

Meanwhile, Ms Pearls and Diamonds is calling Edwards and scolding him for "Grandstanding" over the election.

In other words, she was adamant that the election be given to Bush so that the state of the Country would be totally rotten by 2008 and she could be swept into victory.

Who comes out of this looking good? Well at least in this instance - Edwards. He trusts his own political instincts and his intuition and he remains insistent that the votes be counted.

Whereas Kerry makes a concession - before a full 24 hours since the last ballot was cast
has passed! And he is like a kicked dog, offering an apology for how he divided the nation.

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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 03:13 PM
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15. I don't need commentary from Dems who write "Go easy on Scooter" letters to judges.
For me, that was the last straw.


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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 03:25 PM
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16. K&R n/t
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Carrieyazel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 03:46 PM
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17. THE SIN OF OMISSION IS THAT THIS DEBATE WAS SPONSORED BY HILLARY!!!
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mrdmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 03:58 PM
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18. I am at a loss for words, other than
CNN: We want Hillary, we want Hillary, Clinton, Clinton Clinton.

Once again, the fucking media is a joke. Why was it the bloggers who pointed this out and not the other news outlets. I mean, do all of the other news outlets suffer from memory-a-hole-i-tess.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 05:19 PM
Response to Reply #18
27. CNN likes the DLC (they are safe guests - milquetoast)
Hillary C is the DLC pick. (Hillary is the DLC).
Therefore, CNN wants Hillary C. (along with the RNC).

It's all planned.

We need an upset victory.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:06 PM
Response to Reply #27
47. Are Hillary supporters at DU mainly DLC or not --- ????? ?????
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 10:23 PM
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52. I sure would like to know.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 10:51 PM
Response to Reply #52
53. Why don't we ask them? Will they tell us?
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liberal hypnotist Donating Member (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 07:30 AM
Response to Reply #27
61. Hilliary is big businesses replacement for The Idiot Son
The Corporate Coup includes many players. But, they must all agree to avoid Universal Health, never mention Big Oil in negative terms and conveniently forget that George is killing thousands while the candidates fiddle.

I'm getting back in my small way by voting for Lil Dennis the Menace.
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 10:14 AM
Response to Reply #61
77. Wal-Mart board member, specializing in anti-labor laws, cover of Fortune, etc.
Just her being on the board of Wal-Mart all those years is enough to make me not vote for her.

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liberal hypnotist Donating Member (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 02:28 PM
Response to Reply #77
83. Now see, I never knew that.
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 04:07 PM
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20. Yet another reason to make sure she doesn't get nominated.
Keep the truth machine rollin'!
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leftrightwingnut Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 04:12 PM
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21. Yep
:kick:
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 04:14 PM
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22. Wow ..just found this thread full of over- blown sour grapes.
:rofl:
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leftrightwingnut Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 04:33 PM
Response to Reply #22
24. Those grapes are very sweet. Enjoy!
Edited on Sat Nov-17-07 04:36 PM by leftrightwingnut
It is a lot of fun when it is your candidate is supported by the mainstream media.

The neocons rocked not that long ago. They had uproarius fun at Dem's expense. And they had the full support of the media.

It's not Hillary that we have the problem with, per se. It's the media.

When I first heard about Hillary's deal with Murdoch, I was elated and laughed my ass off. Now that I've had time to think about it, the idea chills me to the bone.

On many social issues, it will be refreshing to have Hillary. But *how* she is getting there is a big problem.

Hail, Hillary.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 04:30 PM
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23. I'm often impressed by commentators' ability to objectively critique the issue
or situation. But in all fairness, I don't think one could be 100% objective when one is so deeply in one's camp. I usually like Carville a lot - and didn't hear his views, but I agree he was a poor choice in these circumstances.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 05:09 PM
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25. Grow up. At least CNN wasn't rooting for Rudy or McCain.
I am convinced that at least half the infighting going on at DU is being caused by Freeper moles. I have never seen such a circular firing squad in my life.
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:33 PM
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32. i think you are right ...and if you notice much of the nonsense comes from a handful..you can bet
they will show up every time a thread meantions anything about hillary..i was so ticked off the other day that i thought about leaving du...because i didnt recognize a lot of what was happening here..and i figured out that even though some of these people have a lot of posts...they are moles..
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 07:03 PM
Response to Reply #25
36. Your dead wrong
I am an Obama supporter and I was disgusted by CNN's presentation of the post debate. To have two repubs, one of which was a Clinton advisor and Carville was disgusting. This debate was fixed for Clinton. From the audience booing Edwards and Obama to Wolf forgetting he has balls and not challenging her at all, this debate was disgusting. Clinton News Newtork baby. I'm glad I dont watch that network.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 08:11 AM
Response to Reply #25
65. Don't be too sure of that....
If Hillary gets the nomination, Rudy orMccain, etc would have an easier time of it. Probably their only hope of winning.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 09:07 AM
Response to Reply #25
74. It has nothing to do with 'growing up' and everything to do with the spin
they're in.
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BobTheSubgenius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 05:13 PM
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26. Yes, that IS..... "unfortunate."
In much the same way that famine, war or pandemic is "kind of inconvenient." I don't suppose much more should be expected of CNN (or MSM in general), though.

My second encounter with Bread and Circuses in the first two threads I've opened. My, what a day, what glorious a time to be alive. I HAVE to believe it's going to get better, though - hopefully without an interval of getting worse beforehand.
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Peggy Day Donating Member (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 05:56 PM
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28. I just don't trust that dude nt
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 05:59 PM
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29. Gee CNN.. why not just scrap the "post debate" crap and let the viewers
Edited on Sat Nov-17-07 05:59 PM by SoCalDem
decide who "won" or who "lost"..

EVERY "pundit" they (or any other network) use is biased in one way or another..some, subtly and others blatantly..but they are ALL biased..
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:14 PM
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31. THIS we're pissed at? 53 recs? When everyday, PNACer,
partisan hack, grandson of the neocons Bill Kristol, arrogantly spews his biased propaganda as if he were an innocent bystander!

While it needs to be addressed, this shit with Carville pales in comparison, and frankly, seems like politics as usual in many regards, where as the likes of Kristol, et. al. acting as objective, talking-head-commentators is really f-n dangerous. Why is he never chastised in like manner about not disclosing his connections to various think tanks and powers that be?
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Madam Mossfern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:51 PM
Response to Reply #31
34. I'm new here
What's a rec and how does one go about effecting one?
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 07:06 PM
Response to Reply #34
38. A 'rec' is a Recommend.
After an appropriate amount of posts, a DUer can recommend an original post (an OP) by clicking the Recommend button in the bottom left hand corner of the OP.

Also, you may want to know that a Kick (K) is when you respond to an OP with the word "kick" to make that topic OP get kicked up to the top of the discussion board, so a "K&R" is both a Kick and a Recommend, often accompanied with the :dem: or :kick: smilies.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 07:04 PM
Response to Reply #31
37. Oh please. This was a democratic debate, and there was a clinton supporter ACTING as objective.
Edited on Sat Nov-17-07 07:04 PM by hnmnf
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 07:29 PM
Response to Reply #37
43. I realize that and, maybe I'm just so numb these days, cynical , if you will,
but, why does this surprise people?

The planted and choreographed questions bother me much more than Carville's pretending to appear as objective -- I mean, did we not know he wasn't objective? I mean, don't most people know Carville was the lead campaign strategist of Bill Clinton?

Btw, doesn't mean I think it's right -- CNN and Carville need to be called out on this crap -- I'm just surprised at the 'shock' of people, especially seasoned DUers.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:54 PM
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50. I know Carville is a partisan, but Im sure many dont.
I personally dont watch CNN, i watch MSNBC, so i didnt expect to see two republicans, one of which was a clinton advisor and a partisan like Carville, it did surprise me. The entire debate was a sham, with the pro-Clinton crowd, uneccessary booing, and piss-poor moderating by Wolf Blitzer. How does a man have a name like Wolf, and act like such a fucking pussy cat.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 09:23 AM
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75. My 19-year old daughter had no idea who he was and wondered why he said Hillary won!
I had to tell her...
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CookCountyResident Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 07:02 PM
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35. CNN forced UNLV student to ask question
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 07:08 PM
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39. three cheers for Kos and the NY Times!!
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 07:20 PM
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40. I would like to know why Wolf Blitzer
has treated Edwards the way he has... I knew as soon as he put him on the end, he was going to lay it to Edwards, and he did trying to stop him every way he could, frankly when Edwards ask kiddingly who planted the one question, Wolf said yes it was planted I did the planting, it seemed to me you could see the anger toward Edwards from Wolf... My husband has told me for a couple of years that CNN is as bad as Fox and just as much a republican station.
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Reno.Muse Donating Member (307 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 07:27 PM
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41. what about that debate chick who asked questions? I heard her husband
is on Mitt Romney's payroll?
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 07:29 PM
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42. He looks like a snake.
But that is an insult to snakes.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 07:31 PM
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44. Carville WORKed for Clinton he should have NEVER been
used ... ALL the media in the US is bought and Paid for by CIA and what ticks me off is its our freakin own money enslaving us

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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:00 PM
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46. TimeWarner supports Hillary. Murdock holds fundraiser for her. MSM wants Hillary.
Populist candidates are not allowed in the modern corporate media era. Only candidates that will maintain the status quo of corporate hegemony.

J
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:33 PM
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49. Why do you hate the Democratic Party?? Why do you
Hate women running for office??

What has Murdock ever done to you??

How come YOU aren't wearing pearls AND diamonds?? Do you hate jewelry??
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 09:53 PM
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51. thanks for the Zeitgeist link. Awesome movie. n/t
J
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 10:55 PM
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54. really? Where was everyone at the MSNBC debate with Tweety
who admits that he "hates" Clinton and with all of the talking heads that did nothing but attack her? Where were you all then?
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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:15 PM
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55. if anyone in this country does not know that Mr. Carville does not know
or support the Clintons, they must have just landed here from another planet.

Why would they need "full" disclosure of something that is basially like saying "and Rush Limbaugh is a talk show host who likes Republicans."
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msedano Donating Member (682 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:37 PM
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56. 200 million or more unitedstatesians
don't follow the news. only 2 or 3 million people are watching cnn news on a given night. add a few million for the other networks and you've got 5 million or so people out of the entire sentient (if you'll pardon the expression) population of the US who might have paid attention. so 1% of people might possibly, if the best of all possible worlds, have one iota of awareness of political personalities.

so most viewers won't bother to ask, "who the heck is james carville why is he saying those awful things about everyone else?" No, they'll take that talking head as a credible authority on how to think.

mvs


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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 08:18 AM
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66. why was Carville EVEN THERE? That would be like having Rove critique Bush...
...surely there were other pundits available that night
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 09:25 AM
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76. Most voters 18-24 have no idea who Carville is, like my daughter
(who votes every time)
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 12:48 AM
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57. They should not have had Carville, or for that matter any of the republicans
on that after the debate analysis

They should have put up neutral people to discuss the debate, but does it really surprise anyone about the media in this country, especially after what we have been through the last 15 years

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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 02:35 AM
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59. Found this little gem online somewhere...had to share it
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amb123 Donating Member (764 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 07:46 AM
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62. K & R gladly! CNN = Clinton News Network
:grr:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 07:53 AM
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63. Nominated.
The media should be honest.
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Kip Humphrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 08:53 AM
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70. FUX NEWS & C.O.N.: 2 sides of PROPAGANDA coin.
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FreeStateDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 08:55 AM
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71. Didn't Carville say: Democratic voters are like cattle, you just herd them in the direction you
want them to go and use a cattle-prod on the few stragglers. This is paraphased from memory as I recall reading it in the book "Nastiest Things Ever Said about Democrats" by Martin Higgins. He believes himself to be a member of the elite and has nothing but disdain for the working class Democrat, fuck him and the ruling class.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 10:17 AM
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78. Eww Eww Eww. Picture warning next time!
Gotta go wash my eyes now.
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Android3.14 Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 10:58 AM
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80. The Corp. knows the only chance we have at a real change is in the primaries
Edited on Sun Nov-18-07 11:00 AM by Android3.14
It is blatantly obvious that Clinton is damaged goods, unable to unify the Democratic Party, much less the nation.
She is the choice of the corporatists. And the corporatists are running scared that the people (Democrats, Republicans, and independent voters) are going to elect leaders to represent human beings, rather than boardrooms.
Her mouthpieces, both paid and unpaid, are unconvincing, and even sound as proudly ignorant as those who blindly support Bush (though they are not nearly as annoying). This tells me that corporate propaganda is largely the base of her support, rather than actual populism.
Mrs. 'Droid and I, are planning to vote against Clinton in the primaries, probably for Kucinich or Edwards, possibly Obama (though he seems to have flamed out). If Clinton wins the nomination, we plan to vote for a candidate that supports the people, and I guarantee it won't be Clinton.
Some Clinton supporters will say, "You're throwing your vote away."
To which I respond, "So are you."
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cstanleytech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 11:57 AM
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81. Oh please, she is not alone there as pretty much everyone
currently running is accepting cash from corporations regardless of party, it needs reform and it needs it badly but its not going to happen if we just whine about it and just focus on a single candidate and not really push for it harder to be fixed itself instead.
As for people in the anti Hillary camp *shrug* I wont even attempt to sway them to be openminded as its a pointless effort to waste my time with them.
To everyone else I say vote for whoever can do the best job in the end, it might be Hillary or it might be Edwards or Obama, maybe even someone who is not well known or it might even be a republican but remember try to keep an openmind and not block yourself into one mindset on voting as your vote is important.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 01:30 PM
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82. kick
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 05:18 PM
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85. kick
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