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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:32 AM
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We really do get it.....
southerners are not welcome at D.U.

Keep wondering why Democrats continue to lose the south's vote.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:33 AM
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1. I dontaed to Webb's campaign but live in Colorado
:shrug:
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SharkSquid Donating Member (659 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:35 AM
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3. Virginia is almost a border state
these days
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:39 AM
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9. Almost doesn't count......
it was part of the Confederacy. That makes all of us redneck bigoted ignorant inbreds, don't ya know?

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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:41 AM
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11. My response was prompted since BlackVelvet declares they're in Virginia
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 12:04 PM
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30. Virginia is a huge state
Most of it is rural southern, and then there is Northern Virginia. Northern Virginia is most definitely not "southern", but a lot of the rest of the state it.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:35 AM
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4. Thank you....
but that doesn't negate the barrage of south hating comments on D.U.

Truly, your support for Webb is appreciated.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:43 AM
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12. You're welcome
As a Kucinich supporter I've been working on trying to develop a thicker skin these days, myself. It helps. Keep your chin up - you know who you are and what Virginia means to this nation. It's huge.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:45 AM
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14. I'm really pretty tough skinned
and an old veteran of internet messages boards but I get sick of it. It's tiring to get slammed for being a looney liberal where I live and slammed on D.U. for being a redneck southerner.

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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:50 AM
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19. You mean people here called you that?
Or was it by association because you live in the south. Those broad brushes can wear a person down, for sure.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:58 AM
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26. I've been called lots of things on messages boards......
here it's mostly by association, though.

On a few other message boards I have a reputation as being one tough-skinned, ornery "bitch" but it does get wearying seeing the constant nastiness toward southerners.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 12:20 PM
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36. There are plenty of non-Southerners who will take a stand
against that... Note my posting way down below re: a recent DU thread... We have to stick together and stop this rampant bigotry and ignorance. Hang in there. You have support.

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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 12:24 PM
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37. thank you.....n/t
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whirlygigspin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:35 AM
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2. wow
where did that come from?


please note: to an eskimo, your all southerners, what is this about?
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:36 AM
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5. i know exactly where it came from, which is why i recommended the post
the anti-southern bias in here is palpable.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:37 AM
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7. I bet they don't mind too much
when we send checks to D.U. and Democratic candidates.
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:40 AM
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10. heh.
:applause: :hug: :hi:

from a displaced Texan
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:37 AM
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6. the last in a long line of
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:47 AM
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17. stereotyping is just plain wrong
its wrong to stereotype southerners as rednecks and wrong to stereotype all "northerners" as hating or making a joke of southerners. I live in california but lived for four years in kentucky at fort campbell. I have found that people are people.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 12:13 PM
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34. People outside the south don't really understand why that flag
is used in the south. It's not a statement of bigotry so much as a statement of independence, a statement that one won't be pushed around. Consider the history of the south, lost their war for independence and then got cursed with decades of carpetbaggers who came in and tried to change everything the people didn't particularly want changed, whether or not it was working for them. That flag is a symbol of defiance, a symbol that they're clinging to the things in the past that they treasure most.

Above the Mason Dixon line, that flag is a great twit indicator. You see it, you know there's a twit nearby. That's not always true in the south.

I lived in the south. Their culture was incompatible with mine and as soon as I saved enough money, I left like I was shot out of a cannon. However, I did get a decent read on a lot of the symbolism down there.

The display of the confederate battle flag isn't always what northerners think it is.

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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:39 AM
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8. And because Fresno, CA is home of FR,
ALL Fresno residents are stupid, ignorant, backward hick freepers. Actually, that applies to all rural dwellers -- at least according to some around here. I was told recently that: "everyone knows Fresno is dirty and stinky but you." The point is that too many people on DU are geographical elitists and they seem to be pretty damned proud of it at that.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:45 AM
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13. Whaaa?
What thread are you referring to?

Southerners are always welcome in my book, as long as they don't fly that rag of a flag (Southern Cross - it has nothing to do with tradition, but everything to do with slavery and racism)
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:47 AM
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16. I've never flown a confederate flag in my life....nor owned one.
Edited on Sat Nov-17-07 11:48 AM by BlackVelvet04
The majority of southerners haven't and don't and don't support anyone doing so. Why even bring it up?

Here's the thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:50 AM
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20. It was a point of contention earlier
And I'm glad you don't :)

It's just earlier, that was a point of contention - some Southern State DUers stated that the flag represented Southern Heritage, that it wasn't racist, etc, and that an attack on the flag bearing the cross of St Andrew was an attack on Southerners.

Just clarifying that.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 12:18 PM
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35. I disagree with those who defend the confederate flag but
to some extent I understand it. My great grandfather fought in the civil war....not because he wanted to, but because he had no real choice. He certainly never owned slaves. He didn't own much of anything.

His mother was a full blooded Monacan Indian so he knew all about prejudice and certainly didn't support it. He was a poor southerner caught up in a crazy war and he fought to protect his home because he was conscripted.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:54 AM
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22. See how touchy you are? The OP you linked to said "Southern CONFEDERATE types"
Hmmm. Sounds to me as if he was only referring to the Southern Bushies, not you.

But you CHOSE to take it personally.

I won't sit here and deny that there is some straight-up Southern bashing that goes on here, and it isn't right. But in ANY large, unregulated group of people you are going to find all types.

What gets me is that, even when people aren't bashing all Southerners, or just bringing up the inconvenient truths of Southern History (and yes, there are PLENTY of such truths about the North, too), so many of DU's Southern contingent takes it personally.

What's all that about?
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 12:00 PM
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27. How many threads are started about those
Edited on Sat Nov-17-07 12:01 PM by BlackVelvet04
"Northern truths?"

Look at some of the comments in that thread that refer to all southerners.

And while you're at it check and see how many threads I have ever started because I am "touchy". Hell, check on how many threads I've started about anything.





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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 12:49 PM
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42. confused
There aren't many Northern "confederates"...

I am in awe of Southern progressives. They have to stand up every day in the face of constant outrages. Being liberal is much easier when surrounded by liberals...
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SharkSquid Donating Member (659 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:55 AM
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23. Uh huh
And the American Flag has nothing to do with nationalism but oppression and Native American Genocide.



:evilgrin: advocate :)
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 12:02 PM
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28. There's a lot of truth to that....... n/t
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SharkSquid Donating Member (659 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 12:05 PM
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31. I know there is
But the flag in no way "all about" that.
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SharkSquid Donating Member (659 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:45 AM
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15. Virginia is an example of a foreward moving
Southern State where people are coming to their senses....

keep fighting the good fight.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:49 AM
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18. Jesus H. Christ on a jumped-up pogo stick, you are so touchy!
Edited on Sat Nov-17-07 12:11 PM by tom_paine
Wanna know how touchy? EVERY time I wirte about the sad realities of the Bushfederacy, built so closely in philosphy and principle onthe Old Confederacy, and having said Old Confederacy as it's strongest power base and the Headquarters of Bushie Evil, not to mention it's most powerful stronghold, you know what I write?

NOTE: This post is NOT meant to desparage all of the South or all Southerners. There are many fine, good, and decent people in the South, as there are everywhere.

From what I can see, to touchy Southerners, reality is too much, even knowing that someone is not speaking about YOU PERSONALLY, apparently is in fact, speaking to you personally.

So, here, please allow me to represent a more pleasing version of reality, in the hopes that the democrats won't lose to the NeoBushConRebfederates in the NeoBushConRebfederacy.

The South has always been the most progressive section of the nation. When in the 1830s, Yankees wished to continue chattel ownership of human beings, 100% of Southerners rose up to decry this moral bankruptcy.

Following The War Between The States, which the slave-owning Yankee aggressors called the "Civil War", even though that's not it's right name, Yankees everywhere killed thousands of carpetbagging Southern Liberals and Uppity Negroes by lynching and murder for nearly a century.

Brave Southerners, unfiied in their opposition to this race-based cruelty, dared to conduct inter-racial bus rides through the Yankee North, often being beaten and always being harrassed for their troubles. Yankee segregationists killed and killed and killed their Southern enemies: hanging them, lynching them, burning their chruches while secretly having sex with their attractive relatives.

Finally, in 1980, the Republic Party, realizing that it had a great untapped resource in racist Yankees, implemented The Northern Strategy. This kicked off in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, the site of a hideous triple-homicide of Southernerns trying to secure the votes for their African-American bretheren, who had long been denied that right by murderous Yankees.

In 1980, in Philadelphia, Ronald Reagan did not overtly celebrate the murder of these Liberal Southerners, yet his presence there alone, his advisors knew, would be a coded message to Bushie Northerners, many of who kept up their hatred of the victorious South more than a century after the end of the War Between The States, that it was OK to support the Republic Party now.

And flock they did to the Republic ranks, these rascist Northerners. So much so that the North is now the headquarters and stronghold of Bushevism as it prepares for it's final destruction of Old America.

But this is not to disparage all Northerners as a whole group, for there are good people everywhere, as is always the case, regardless of the unpleasant realities that are associated with the North and the fact that those unpleasantrealities still make up a major portion of the character of Northern societies.


Is that a better, more pleasing reality for you?

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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:56 AM
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24. Bite me.....
you don't know anything about me.

Touchy? You try putting up with being a liberal "looney" in a red state and then putting up with the constant disparagement from the very group you are supposed to be aligned with.

If you put a disclaimer then you are the only one. How often do you see a northerner bashing thread? Like maybe NEVER?



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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 12:08 PM
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33. Consider yourself bitten...
And, as they say, if you want to see a Northerner-bashing thread then make it happen!

I do feel your pain in taking it from both sides, and I empathize. I don't have an answer for you. because people will be people (regionalistic, provincial, parochial...no matter WHERE you come from)

I can give you a start on the whole Northerner-bashing thing, being one myself and also not being so touchy that I cannot see the shit stniking in my own pond simply because it's my own.

Here we go:

Northerners are so contemptuous of Southern racism, but you NEVER mention the state of cities like Boston, New York, or Baltimore, which has as much or more overt racism as the South.

The City of Brotherly Love? One of the least brotherly places you will ever find, rife with the n-word.

Northerners bitch about the Atlanta Water Crisis and blame Southern Developers, but Northern Developers do the same damned thing up there, but no one bashes the "Northern Developers" like they do the "Southern Developers".

Historically, Northerners criticize the Institution of Slavery but stood behind the idea of Wage Slavery and are curiously silent about the epidemic of Children Wage Slaves that permeate dthe North throughout the time that it was ostensibly fighting for people's freedom while conveniently ignoring what was going on it it's backyard?


Finally, I would like to personally wonder how many of my posts you have read in your time here at DU before noticing my disclaimer (which I have been using since the first waves of "Southern Bashing" and "Southern touchiness" in response, since about mid-2002 or so) even existed.

How many of my posts (or other's) who were not speaking of all Southerners (like the OP that got you going, who only mentioned Southern CONFEDERATE TYPES, NOT all Southerners) did you interpret as such through your lens of anger?

I happen to know something about anger myself, having a lot of it. It blinds. Just something to think about.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 12:30 PM
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39. The anger is
temporary, the sadness not so much. I've lived up north and seen every bit as much if not more bigotry...I lived in Washington, D.C. I lived in Chillicothe, OH but I don't feel the need to denigrate northerners over it.

I'm weary right now. I came home to Virginia about 8 years ago (from Arizona) and I was shocked at the stranglehold the rightwing fundamentalists have on so much of this state. What southerners could use right now is some encouragement and support, not derision.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 12:45 PM
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41. On that, we agree. I am weary, too, right now.
Edited on Sat Nov-17-07 12:46 PM by tom_paine
Seven years of BushPutinism's iron grip and nothing has changed beyond a few cosmetic and meaningless changes.

Bushies can still rewrite reality and fool 2/3rds or more of the country easily and as frequentlty as they like, no Free Press or Opposition Party stands in their way.

No one wants to think.

No one wants to look.

I don't know what to tell you. Take a break from DU and come back stronger and rested, then. I might do just that, soon.

There will always be assholes on every message board. As I said above, in any large group of people they can be found.

Use the ignore function, every time you see a real bona-fide Southern Basher, and soon you will eliminate all of them from your sight (or most of them, anyway).

My only suggestion for you on that score, is to take a deep breath and stop for a minute or two to make sure that what you initially perceived as an indiscriminate Southern-bash actually is one.

Listen, the bottom line for almost all of us DUers is the fact that we are all on the same side in preserving the Constitution and fending off BushPutnist Tyranny so that our descendants can enjoy the freedoms we once enjoyed.

No matter where we call home nor where we currently reside, the only place Old America really exists anymore is in our hearts and minds. We must keep it's spirit kindled for the day when the New Totalitarianism ends, if it ends.

THAT is the only real issue here, above and beyond all others.

We are on the same side.
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whirlygigspin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 12:02 PM
Response to Reply #18
29. ah, but was Louis Riel a hero or a traitor?
depends on what side of the fence you sit, as it were.


I did hear George Bush once say he hoped the south had one, that was rather bizarre.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:52 AM
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21. It's just certain vocal assholes -- look at this recent DU geographical survey:
Poll question: DU....Where are You? (Geographic Distribution of DU Survey)

I've seen many of these surveys on DU over the years, and the percentages remain largely the same. The numbers for the "South" are always the biggest. DU wouldn't be anywhere near as cool as it is without you.

sw
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:56 AM
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25. That I will agree 100% with. DU is strong from ALL of us, not just some of us!
:toast:
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 12:06 PM
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32. There is an element that makes everything very unidimensional
and black and white--no issue more so, than the civil war and North versus South politics. Just as we have some (on both right and left) who have no desire to understand other cultures.

Yet, it goes beyond that... Note the person wanting to make Sherman a "hero" on this thread claims to be a "southerner."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

As a westerner who lived many years in the deep South, I have tried to take the time to understand the complexities and the history to some comprehensive degree. Seeing some of the truly uninformed comments taken as gospel infuriates me--even though I don't technically have a "dog in this fight." I think my sig line says it all...
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 12:26 PM
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38. While the slurs are unfair, I'm surprised they upset you.
I've lived in Utah all my life. It's not a beloved state to many people and I've heard tons of slams because of where I live.

But they aren't talking about me. They are talking about the majority of the state who are idiots.

So it doesn't bother me.

And as our population grows, not only Mormon kids but transplants from other states, I never correct anyone who thinks ill of Utah. Hopefully it will keep them out.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 12:33 PM
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40. They usually don't......
sometimes when having a particularly bad time because so many people around me are rightwingers it gets old.
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