Mark my words ... Dems lose in 2008

[no_to_war_economy]

well not my words but the great Stan Goff's:

".. There is an old joke that Republicans run on what they believe (no matter how racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, or plain stupid) and win. Democrats run on what they think will win elections, and lose. Maybe right now, after the Bush administration's little Vietnam The Sequel dragged the whole GOP by a narrow margin into the doldrums, people won't get this joke.

They will by 2008 though. In fact, the 2006 "victory" for Democrats was delivered by Republican voters, not Democrats. It was a vote against Bush and the war; not a vote for Democrats. And the Republicans can clean the neo-cons out to re-secure their white suburban base.... which they will... and they will beat the pants off of the Dems in 2008.

Mark my words. .."

".. We won't vote for people who allow others to continue murder and vandalism in order to get elected... just because "the other guy is worse." You are enabling the other guy.

Have fun moving out of your offices in 2009, you opportunistic reptiles. .."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stan-goff/headed-out-the-door_b_41404.html

[rep the dems]

1. Not gonna happen,

Democratic President, House, and Senate in 2009. Mark my words ;)

[CrazyForKucinich]

2. Maybe.

I'm not finding any of the candidates to have a really good message so far, except for Kucinich and maybe Edwards. Even then...I think the only person who can win is Gore, although I'm a Kucinich backer all the way.

[no_to_war_economy]

6. Kucinich has always had more balls than them all

another selection from Stan ..

".. Now, it seems, what the Democratic Party chiefs are devoting the most attention to is finding ways to quiet down their own left wing. That's why everything except cutting the money for the war has been put on the table. We are awash in bills and resolutions that are Anything-Buts. They don't want to be blamed for the defeat in Iraq, you see, and have that used against them as a stain on their collective manhood (even the women in leadership). .."

he is soooooooo right

[lancdem]

9. I think we have several candidates

who can win the presidency. Gore would be one of them - if he runs. Since polling began, no president who had an approval rating as bad as Bush's has seen his party keep the WH in the next presidential election.

[Deep13]

3. Don't think so. Not Congress anyway.

Rs did not put Ds in office. Swing voters did. They are sick of it.

[lancdem]

4. Nah

Bush will continue to drag the GOP down in '08. The Repukes proved they can't govern; I seriously doubt they'll get another chance in November '08.

[bryant69]

5. I don't buy it

I think this guy is just annoyed that mainstream democrats, including most of the close of '06, are, well, mainstream.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[lancdem]

12. lol

[PLF]

14. Opposition to the war is mainstream.

Gutless prevarications by chickenshit politicians are not mainstream.

[bryant69]

16. You have to look at the environment a person lives in

It is mainstream for an auto mechanic to have a bit of oil or grease on his fingers - but that's well outside the mainstream for waiters. It is mainstream for Americans to oppose the war - but in the halls of congress, gutless prevarications and chicken shit politicians seem to be extremely mainstream.

Bryant

[PLF]

18. He's talking about electoral politics and voters.

[bryant69]

20. Laughs - ok - maybe you should consider developing a sense of humor

Makes live go a little smoother - that said, I think he's wrong because Americans are pretty used to their politicians, particularly Democrats, being chickenshit, and because the Republicans continue to be awful.

Bryant

[undeterred]

7. Thats a loserman attitude.

[Javaman]

8. Go away. nt

[Jim Warren]

10. Feh..........

Sounds like a limpballs "tired of carrying water for these people" talking point.

[Dhalgren]

11. You can be a Democratic apologist, but Goff is telling the truth.

If the Democrats play politics with this war, it is over for them...

[liberal N proud]

13. Every time the repukes lose, they say the Republican voter gave the Dem's the win

Let's face it. there are a large block of voters out there that side with neither party and don't make up their mind who they are going to vote for based on some words spoken by some pundit.
They may fall however to the constant propaganda from the media or their preachers.

[Indigent A-hole]

15. One way to look at it

Is Reason won us the majority in November. The party of rationale not ideology won. So long as we keep to the facts and let belief be a personal choice, not a set of dogmatic policy prescriptions, then we will indeed take the House, Senate, and 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

[GreenTea]

17. Dems won the last four presidential elections and they'll win 2008

That's why republicans who really know are waiting for the 2012 elections, Jeb Bush, Newt Grinrich, Arnold (if he can get legislation changed)...

[nolabels]

22. Corporations won the last ten or twelve or twenty

and they will pick the next candidates, just watch :shrug:


Btw hasn't the current crop already been handicapped by how much corporate support and money they currently garner?

[pinto]

19. Geez. If this guy worked as hard at building consensus within the Dem. Party,

as he does at slamming Democrats and touting the prospect of Republican victories, we'd all be better off. Just my two cents.

[Az]

21. Its about standing by ideals

We ourselves complain about how the Dems don't have spines. We are constantly told that we have to win elections if we want to fight the good fight. Sorry but I don't buy that.

You don't convince people to change their mind by moving away from the things you are trying to convince them of. By shifting to the middle in order to try to win votes you just silence the message you supposedly stand for. And over time you are not only wooing the center you become the center. And when the right is happy to continue to stand by their ideals they get to control where that center is. Thus it keeps moving further and further to the right.

The only way you change the world is by standing up and shouting what you stand for and then sticking by it. Anything less will just appear to be pandering. We are a learning species. We learn by listening and watching what others say and do. If we do not stand up and clearly announce what it is we stand for then we stand for nothing in the eyes of the people. The right does not shrink away from even its most obtuse positions. I mean good grief they are actually standing against science and reason. And it is winning them votes. The only way to change that is to stand for reason and make the people aware of the foolishness of the rights positions.