Curious: Could we forget about impeachment, focus on the election and prosecute these mother

[Mike03]

fuckers in this administration after 2008?

I know this impeachment issue is dividing many of us, and it's hard to know who is right and who is wrong, since people on both sides of this issue are honorable and motivated by the best intentions.

What if we put aside our contempt for the apparent laziness of our current Democratic representatives for the next twelve months and just tried to pull together to get the best of the Democratic candidates in office, and hopefully the others would find comfortable places in the cabinet or serving other duties or filling other offices.

And then, after we are secure, we go after these mother fuckers who have destroyed and humiliated our country over the past seven years?

Is that possible? Could we shun them, the way Nixon was shunned, or do better by turning them over to the Haige for prosecution?

The main goal has to be to get them out of here, then maybe we can destroy their lives and figure out how to judiciously impart to them the punishment they deserve. We must establish our priorities in the order that they are achievable, and then pursue the other secondary issues, on the basis of reality and realism and doability.

[John Q. Citizen]

1. Who of the candidates do you really imagine would prosecute the criminals?

I know Hillary won't. I doubt Obama, or Edwards or Biden, or Dodd, or Richardson would.

Kucinich would, but he has enough sense to impeach now before they commit even more crimes.

[Mike03]

2. I don't know.

Would it really require the approval of a President?

Couldn't it be by unanimous consent from committees and a new, improved Department of Justice?

[sam sarrha]

6. in o8 there would be no pardon on a civil convection

[Mike03]

3. Sorry, maybe a dumb idea

I just have the eerie feeling that we are getting distracted and sidelined from our most important goal by squabbling right now.

Bush and Cheney will go down in history as the worst human beings who have ever, ever held office in this country. There's no future for these people. All of their wealth, greed, will lead to nothing but pain and shame and nothingness.

[gateley]

16. It's not a dumb idea at all! Stop that! You raise valid concerns, but many

of us believe impeachment to be necessary regardless.

[EFerrari]

22. No, a legitimate question. Let's see what people think.

:)

[caseycoon]

4. I believe impeachment now is imperative.

It will help America & the Democratic Party is so many different ways, not to mention keeping Bushco from causing as much trouble as they would be able to if we just let them keep on keeping on.
Really, we have to impeach now. Letting them continue is like giving them our permission to do whatever they want.

[Mike03]

9. I know, I want Impeachment too, but

it's going to drive us to insanity, because our leaders are not going to give it to us, and it is going to be a fixation, an obsession that is going to distract us.

We need a new America, built from the ground up, and only new leadership can give us this. Impeachment and throwing these fuckers in jail would feel good, but we need to keep our eyes on the prize? Don't we? Or maybe there is something I'm not seeing?

[gateley]

5. That was my preference until I watched the Naomi Wolf talk at the UW -

Now I feel we are truly AT RISK every day they remain in office. The only hope I see (if they remain until the end of their term) is if those they pressure are less inclined to knuckle under because of the public outrage that's becoming more widely spread. They (potential knuckle-under-ers) would know they would have support in standing up to the bastards.

But ideally, even though I hate the idea of having to take ANY attention off of the other major issues, I think impeachment is what is best.

[Mike03]

7. I dunno, maybe you are right

I'm just so frustrated and angry and confused right now.

The only thing I want is a President I trust and some sanity in this country.

[gateley]

15. That's what we all want - it IS so frustrating and heartbreaking, too.

:hug:

[Pastiche423]

8. NO

If we don't impeach the criminals, they'll keep coming back as they have done since Watergate and Iran/Costra.

Our country will never move towards democracy until We, the People defend and protect our Constitution.

[crickets]

34. Exactly! Another NO. -nt

[RaleighNCDUer]

10. I suspect that if we fail to impeach before the election

we will never win the election. Then, NOBODY will be prosecuted.

[Mike03]

11. Retroactive Prosecution?

Can't they be prosecuted retroactively for the war in Iraq, some aspects of the war in Afghanistan, the lies and waste of time given to the United Nations, and the abuse of the credulity of the American public????

[Mike03]

12. Also, they need to be sued civilly

by us. Civil prosecutions for absconding with our tax money under false pretenses, for killing Americans and innocent Iraquis, for enriching themselves under false pretenses.

Why can't we just destroy the financial lives of these unspeakable sons of bitches???

[AndyTiedye]

13. They Are Getting Ready To Start ANOTHER WAR!

IMPEACH THE WARPED RESIDENTS BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. I guess the constitution is no longer popular

sad

[Mike03]

17. Nadin, you know how much

I respect your opinion.

What do you think?


And is it realistic, or is it just a wish that can't come true?

I mean, I have that wish too. But the most important thing to me is to undo the disaster, horrible unspeakable mess that we have made over the last seven years.

Our country will die if we don't make amends and fix our disasters immediately.

We need to stop fighting against innocent people.
We need to apologize to the entire world.
We need to alter our foreign policy...
Pay our debts
Support our veterans and impoverished people

To me, that is more important than impeachment.

These horrible people like Bush and Cheney will get what is coming to them some day.

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. 1988 comes to mind

and I fear if the Dems keep folding like cheap lawn chairs.. actually that is a sign of misrespect for cheap lawn chairs. the dems will loose the election...

That is the reality

People lke fighters...

Not cowards

[Mike03]

21. I know

That is why I got so excited when the Dems had that all night fillibuster.

What is there to hope for anymore? Nobody is really acting like a hero now.

What keeps you inspired? What keeps you caring and speaking your mind?

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. The family history

My family lost fifty folks at Treblinka because nobody spoke up

And my dad and his family made it is because a family in Poland hid them at great personal risk... if they had gotten caught and they almost were.. everybody in the house... pollacks and Jews, would have died.

I see this as history repeating itself. So I guess I will keep screaming until they take me and silence me. But that family.. my dad's friend died a month ago... and I need to put up a letter of condolences and a check to pay for the burial. I also need to send the family the traditional Chirstmas card... we will do that until we are all dead I guess.

And many of the survivors have told me, that even in the darkest of hours the only thing that remained was hope. And trust me, they saw far more pain and hardship than any of us has seen so far.

[Mike03]

31. My dear god, I always respected your posts so much

but I had no idea how directly you had been affected by these historical and awful events.

I am just speechless, but reverent...

thank you for all of your posts, Nadin. I read every one that I see, and respect them all, even the few that I don't agree with. You have a great mind.

[nadinbrzezinski]

32. That is why I had very little patience with some DU'ers that

didn't learn the lessons.

By the way letter written and card ready to go... tomorrow will get the postage

And it will go.

My mom and my dad have sent money to the family for over oh fifty years... and in some ways I am sendign what I can afford

Thanks for reminding me... I was kind of puting that duty away... I don't know why... probably the realization that the generation that was involved in those horrors is quickly passing on. And with their passing... is now up to us to keep the memory alive

[PassingFair]

26. They will NOT get what is coming to them if WE do not GIVE it to them.

That is the one thing I'm pretty sure of.

They will get away with it.

[bobthedrummer]

18. No, because these are domestic enemies of The United States of America, eom

[Mike03]

20. Maybe you are right, like many others

I would certainly not be sad if these unspeakable horrible monsters were impeached and imprisoned, but I just don't want to lose this next election.

We need to turn this country around like the captain of the Titanic needed to turn that vessel around.

[bobthedrummer]

23. Have you contacted Congress Mike03, or does the leadership that we voted

in one year ago despite everything that was designed to prevent us for doing so really speak for you?

If you or anyone else want to contact Congress-about impeachment or any other subject-- here are some toll free Congressional switchboard numbers

1-800-862-5530

1-800-828-0498

1-800-614-2803

1-866-340-9281

1-866-338-1015

1-866-220-0044

John Conyers office direct line [phone]

I've called and e-mailed many and am on record describing some of the criminals in this administration as domestic enemies of The United States of America to the offices of my Wisconsin reps, John Conyers, Nancy Pelosi, Dennis Kucinich and others.

I am with those that demand accountability, indictments, impeachment and whatever else is required regardless of partisanship because this criminal administration is the most dangerous thing of my lifetime-they are domestic enemies of The United States of America as defined in our Constitution.

[Mike03]

24. I wrote to all of them, but I did it the night

of the antiwar fillibuster.

That was really the last night that I felt really good about my representatives.

After that, I watched one collapse after another, and I couldn't really believe it. Since then, I have not written any letters, emails or phone calls.

I think last week I sort of gave up when I heard about Schumer and Feinstein.

[nadinbrzezinski]

28. Write, if nothing else it will allow you to sleep

[Mike03]

29. Thanks!

How did you know I don't sleep? ;)

[nadinbrzezinski]

33. I should buy stock in Pepcid AC and in sleep meds

:-)

I haven't taken the meds, but many a night I don't sleep well either.

[Mike03]

25. I've never claimed to be a great activist

I vote every election, and I was an activist until after nine eleven, and just gave up, basically, after Bush was re elected. I was even a precinct captain for Dukakis, but I was a dumbass kid back then.

Like Noam Chomsky says, I have become an isolated person with very little faith in the political system, but every day I spend here at DU, I get a bit more courage.

[hootinholler]

30. There are practical reasons.

The constitution grants the power of pardon the the President except in cases of impeachment. They must be impeached thus preserving the prosecution by the next administration.

-Hoot