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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 11:33 AM
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CNN just had a report about kids dying in three states of a flu like illness...
Is this the same flu like illness that's been killing our bird population in Colorado?

I wonder if we're being lied to about this.
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 11:35 AM
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1. Keep you eyes peeled for a link to the story
A lot of us are not near a TV.

Thanks!
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 11:37 AM
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3. I believe two of the states were Kansas (right next door to CO)
and Oregon.

I wonder if any DUers have been hearing anything in those states about massive bird population die-offs.
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oldtime dfl_er Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 12:03 PM
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21. 2 in Seattle
Here's a link and the first part of the story from this morning's Seattle Times:

Another child dies showing signs of flu
By Alex Fryer and Carol M. Ostrom

An 8-year-old Seattle girl who was hospitalized with flulike symptoms died Wednesday, but health authorities say it's too soon to say whether flu played a part in her death.


http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003574...
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DKRC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 01:02 PM
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30. One child in Seattle, one last week in Kent
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/health/2003562002...

Putting bleach through the dishwasher and harpin on handwashin with my daughter so she doesn't come down with this. I had it back in mid-January and I'm just now beginning to feel okay.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 01:31 PM
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33. Amazing. For once the media gets it right. The child apparently did
have "flu-like" symptoms. Then she got heart inflammation.

Too often "flu-like illness" is used to describe anything and everything, including gastrointestinal upset.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 11:37 AM
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2. Peanut butter poisoning?
Peter Pan, or more accurately Conagra distributors(again) have a massive recall on salmonella tainted jars of all brands of its product having the initial numbers 2111 in its code. it was more evident overseas because an American staple sticks out in the food chain. Here it is a staple for the young and our news is corporate news.

You are more likely to hear about mysterious deaths than a food recall.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 11:39 AM
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6. No, I believe it was definitely in reference to a flu-like illness...
I wonder if these people are doing surveillance on the dead birds to see if they have H5N1.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 11:55 AM
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14. Yes, that's one of the first things they looked for
in the sudden bird dieoffs. I read somewhere that preliminary research had turned up a fungal infection, but I haven't read anything more about that. I do know that they've ruled out H5N1.

As for the kids, it could be salmonella, written off as stomach flu. Salmonella can kill a kid pretty quickly through dehydration. ConAgra has a lot of explaining to do about how the contamination happened, since it's usually confined to animal products like chicken meat and egg products.

Then again, Smith died after a "stomach flu," so there may indeed be a potentially fatal one out there.
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datadiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 12:22 PM
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24. I have a jar of this
Empty now. I and my husband and grown son ate it. We were sick last month with what we thought was the flu. Now I'm not so sure.
I kept the jar and the lid just in case. We had symptoms like stomach flu. Don't know if it was the peanut butter or whether we just had the flu. :shrug:
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 01:35 PM
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37. There's actually NO SUCH THING as "stomach flu". Influenza is
a RESPIRATORY virus.

People who think they have "stomach flu" usually have either a gastrointestinal virus (norovirus, rotavirus, etc) or bacterial food poisoning (of which Salmonella is one).
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 01:33 PM
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35. Salmonella food poisoning bears little resemblance to the flu.
Influenza is a RESPIRATORY virus.

Salmonella is a bacterium that causes GASTROINTESTINAL disease, which is only infrequently complicated by systemic disease.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 01:40 PM
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42. Lord, for once I'm glad my grandchildren have peanut
allergies.
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 11:37 AM
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4. No link, but it's Influenza B
I read about it yesterday, and can't remember where I caught the article. Try googling Flu B.
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 11:38 AM
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5. Aw shit.
I didn't get my daughter a flu shot this year.
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 11:41 AM
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7. My advice: Turn off the TV for a few hours.
Seriously. we have a population of 300 million people. 3 kids dieing, in 3 different states, is not even remotely evidence of a coming pandemic...

Turn the damn TV off.
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Frosty1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 12:10 PM
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22. 3 Kids and one adult died in Minnesota
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Frosty1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 12:12 PM
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23. Correction Make that 4 kids
nt
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 12:48 PM
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27. And? The article you link to puts it in perspective. 20 nationwide.
This is not cause for alarm.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 01:31 PM
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34. thats it??? in the entire state???????????
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 01:38 PM
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39. Thank you. Ordinary everyday influenza kills THOUSANDS
of people every year in the US. The media just likes to stir up a panic. That way, they can report on THE PANIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I want a new rule:
NO ONE IN THE MEDIA can report on science or medicine without a university level education in science or medicine.
Most the news writers are ignorant of science and medicine, and the news readers are, too. So they report DRECK and made-up crap.
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 11:44 AM
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8. Someone posted about Scarlet Fever yesterday
Scary.
I came down with something a week and a half ago
and it was a NASTY cold.... I still have a sore throat
and congestion (that's sloooowly fading).
Lots of people seem to have been slammed with the same bug.

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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 11:58 AM
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16. Scarlet Fever is strep throat...
That causes rashes on the chest. My son had it a few years ago...

It is generally easily treated with antibiotics and isn't really anymore sever that strep...but does need to be treated
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 01:51 PM
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50. However, it can progress into Rheumatic fever.
Many cases of strep throat can go away without antibiotics (abx), but some need abx to get rid of it. Abx treated strep throat is less likely to progress to scarlet fever. Some cases of scarlet fever progress to rheumatic fever which can involve heart, joints, skin, and brain, if treated with abx it is less likely to progress.

wiki link though lots of other helpful med advice online also. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rheumatic_fever
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 11:44 AM
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9. PANIC!!
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 11:48 AM
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10. I really think this flu is linked to pollution.
The environment has killed of several spieces already it's plausible.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 11:50 AM
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11. evidence?
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 11:51 AM
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13. The pandemics that killed millions happend in eras before widespread pollution...
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Greybnk48 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 11:59 AM
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17. and before anti-biotics and anti-viral meds
My grandmother died from this flu @ 25 when my dad was five and her treatment was non-existent.
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 12:00 PM
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18. Exactly. That too.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 01:41 PM
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43. Those pandemics were obviously caused by demons.
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BadgerKid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 11:56 AM
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15. influenza is viral; pollution is not required. n/t
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 12:00 PM
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19. I think it's because of sin
...and an imbalance of humours.
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Greybnk48 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 12:02 PM
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20. Galen!! Is that you?
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 01:41 PM
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45. Thank you. Set these heretics straight.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 01:40 PM
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41. Yeah. The germ theory is all wrong.
HURRY! You better contact the CDC and WHO and set those dummies straight.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 01:53 PM
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51. we are not bitter are we LOL
although I notice a certain sock puppet has now asked for a separate thread for vaccines since they are so "contoversial". :crazy:
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 11:51 AM
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12. bet they all got the new HPV vaccine!
:sarcasm:
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 01:37 PM
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38. LOL
:rofl:
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 01:42 PM
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46. Yep!
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fed-up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 12:37 PM
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25. blame global warming-dif temps-dif bugs/molds-flu outbreak here also-
Edited on Fri Feb-16-07 12:55 PM by fed-up
something thing knocked me out during the last two weeks. No fever or sore throat, just faucet nose, congestion, achy bones, fatigue

There may be an abundance of pollens/molds in the air with the unusually warm January-Feb we had, couple with lots of rain last week. Mine started with sneezing and went downhill from there. And I am not the only one.

http://www.chicoer.com/fastsearchresults/ci_5140272
Sickness strikes in Chico schools, others
By CHRIS GULLICK - Staff Writer
Article Launched: 02/02/2007 12:00:00 AM PST

Students in Chico schools probably aren't malingering, they're really sick.
The flu is here.

Many schools in Chico are reporting an absence rate far above average, as children and staff fall victim to flu or other illnesses, such as strep throat, bronchitis and stomach distress.

Janis Ryan, a certified medical assistant for pediatrician Elisa Brown, said their office has seen quite a few children with Influenza A -- "the one everyone was supposed to get shots for."


...snip


http://www.chicoer.com/fastsearchresults/ci_5215331
Health officer: Flu is present in Butte County
By E-R Staff
Article Launched: 02/13/2007 12:00:00 AM PST

If you're feeling funky, you're not alone.
Influenza (the flu), colds and a stomach virus are going around in the north valley, according to the Butte County Health Department.

"Laboratory tests have confirmed that the influenza virus is circulating in Butte County," Dr. Mark Lundberg, the county's health officer, stated in a news release Monday.

The flu is a contagious respiratory illness caused by viruses. It can cause mild to severe sickness and in rare cases can lead to death.

...snip





I will not get a vaccine. First time in late 70's flu shot was linked to Gueillen-Barre (sp?) syndrome and second time in 1997 I came down with an awful flu right after getting the shot.

I'll stick to hot and sour soup, liquids and plenty of bed rest.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 01:45 PM
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47. Those evil vaccines................
"....Janis Ryan, a certified medical assistant for pediatrician Elisa Brown, said their office has seen quite a few children with Influenza A -- "the one everyone was supposed to get shots for." - - - - BUT DIDN'T!

The existence of vaccines is probably why these kids got sick. If there were no vaccines, nobody would ever get sick. They are EVIL, I tell you!!!!!!!!!
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 01:47 PM
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49. good one! n/t
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 12:46 PM
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26. Influenza (and aftermath I assume) kill ~100 kids, 30,000-35,000 adults.
"In a typical year, about 100 children and from 30,000 to 35,000 adults die from the flu nationally, Apa said."
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003574...
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 12:49 PM
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28. Yes, they're trumpeting the news about it this year... gee I wonder why...
remember the "summer of the shark"?

I really hate the M$M. I really, truly do.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 01:41 PM
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44. oh I missed you post and asked for these stats
down thread a bit. Thanks. This is very helpful :)
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 12:51 PM
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29. "Summer of the Shark" is now
"Mysterious Flu-like Illness of the Whenever We Damn Well Feel Like Rattlin Yer Cages"
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 01:28 PM
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31. "Flu-like illness" = meaningless claptrap. I HATE the way those
words get tossed around. Anytime anybody gets sick with anything, the media describes it as a "flu-like illness". Even when people have OBVIOUS FOOD POISONING.

Flu, aka influenza, is a respiratory illness. Fever, aches, cough are the predominant signs. Flu is NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!a gastrointestinal illness. If someone has vomiting or diarrhea they don't likely have the flu, dammit. They probably have a GI virus or bacterial food poisoning.

End of my rant over ignorant BS. This is my pet peeve.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 01:45 PM
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48. so the last 6 years
have been extremely difficult for you I bet since we seem to be fed that just about everyday especially from the media. :)
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 01:30 PM
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32. This is a bad flu year. Kids and elderly die every year from it.
Seattle had a child die from the flu in 1999, it happens. It's not the bird flu. It's the regular old flu. We've just had a late, bad, flu season up here near Seattle.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 01:33 PM
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36. Maybe a way to pay off Rumsfeld. Doesn't he have ties to Big Pharmaceuticals.
Let's just hope that these criminals use V for Vendetta as a playbook.

:scared:
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 01:39 PM
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40. anyone know the stats on annual deaths from influenza
in children? I would be interested to see what they are. This sounds like media fear tactics. And this is peak influenza time with the extreme cold thats been around of late.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 01:55 PM
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52. Both my girls got flu shots this year
My 1 1/2 and 2 1/2 year old girls got flu shots this year but we all still ended up with the worst stomach virus my husband or I ever had. Non stop throwing up all night and flu-like symptoms the next day. I could barely get up but I had to force myself because my girls needed me, they were throwing up too. It was brutal. I have diabetes on top of it all and was really worried when my blood sugar dropped that I was going to have to go to the hospital and have an iv put in as I just couldn't keep anything down for over 24 hours. I take metaphormin to lower my blood sugar and had taken it that night before I got sick so my blood sugar was dropping but I couldn't eat anything to stabalize it. Getting sick is really dangerous for alot of people, even if its just a stomach virus or the flu.
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