'I feared I'd end up dead in the woods like Dr Kelly'

[kpete]

'I feared I'd end up dead in the woods like Dr Kelly,' says biological warfare expert who criticised Britain and U.S.
By GLEN OWEN and OLIVER WADESON


An EU expert on biological warfare has told how she fears ending up 'dead in the woods' like scientist Dr David Kelly after an alleged campaign of intimidation by members of MI6 and the CIA.

Jill Dekker, a bio-defence expert based in Brussels, has reported a string of sinister incidents – including the parking of a hearse outside her house – after making a speech critical of British and American policy in the Middle East.

...................

Dr Dekker says the 'intimidation' against her started in March, as she was flying to Florida to give a speech on Syria's weapons programme to an intelligence summit. She says she was subjected to a 'heavy-handed' interrogation by a man she suspects of being a British intelligence operative.

She believes the speech made her powerful enemies because she argued that billions of dollars spent by the US government to develop a smallpox vaccine has been wasted because scientists – including British experts – have used a different viral strain to the one she believes is being developed in Damascus.


more at:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=492907&in_page_id=1770

[soothsayer]

1. so they are still bumping off the microbiologists? or just threatening them

into silence now that the rest have gotten the message.

[seemslikeadream]

3. They didn't get that message till they were dead though

too bad

[defendandprotect]

31. I think they got the message --- they just thought the mission was worth while --- ????

[valerief]

4. What makes microbiologists any different from members of Congress? nt

[seemslikeadream]

2. parking of a hearse outside her house

:wow:

[mod mom]

16. UFB!

[Venus Dog]

5. Did BushCo shipped Saddams WMDs to Syria?

sounds like that's what she's inferring in this article and why she has been persistently harassed by US State Dept.

A week later, she wrote: 'The US State Department and their surrogates... continue to intimidate me and my family – every day they are outside my home, they tail me 24/7 – I believe they could try to kill me so I don't reveal any more of my research on Syrian biological weapons.'

[Garbo 2004]

23. No. She apparently thinks they were shipped by Saddam to Syria before the war.

And further thinks that Bushco would keep quiet about evidence of a real and viable Iraqi WMD program in the face of all the criticism when no evidence of actual WMDs or active WMD programs were actually found:

"She also believes that Iraq did have a biological weapons capacity which was all shipped to Syria before the outbreak of war.

She argues this was known, but was concealed from the public because the real purpose of the war was not to target weapons of mass destruction but to topple Saddam Hussein and gain a strategic foothold in the region." http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=492907&in_page_id=1770

[leveymg]

27. This could all be an elaborate disinfo campaign intended to tarnish Syria and rehabilitate neocons

One should be very skeptical of these claims that Saddam was really developing WMD and somehow shipped it all to Syria or Iran, or whatever country the goon squad wants to regime change next. I call BS on this.

Even NTI, which is at the extreme end of hawkish credibility, concludes: "These reports remain uncorroborated; in the absence of any definite information claims, reports that Syria has weaponized smallpox should be treated as purely hypothetical." See, http://www.nti.org/e_research/profiles/Syria/Biological/3353.html

Sounds like Dekker's a second-string Judy Miller or Laurie Mylroie clone who's found a right-wing British tabloid willing to give her a platform. Re: Mylroie, see: http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1254072,00.html

Did one woman's obsession take America to war?


She is a conspiracy theorist whose political conceits have consistently been proved wrong. So why were Bush and his aides so keen to swallow Laurie Mylroie's theories on Saddam and terrorism? By Peter Bergen

Monday July 5, 2004
The Guardian


Americans supported the war in Iraq not because Saddam Hussein was an evil dictator - they knew that - but because President Bush made the case that Saddam might hand weapons of mass destruction to his terrorist allies to wreak havoc on the United States. In the absence of any evidence for that theory, it's fair to ask: where did the administration's conviction come from? It was at the American Enterprise Institute - a conservative Washington DC thinktank - that the idea took shape that overthrowing Saddam should be a goal. Among those associated with AEI is Richard Perle, a key architect of the president's get-tough-on-Iraq policy, and Paul Wolfowitz, now the number-two official at the Pentagon. But none of the thinkers at AEI was in any real way an expert on Iraq. For that they relied on someone you probably have never heard of: a woman named Laurie Mylroie.
Mylroie has credentials as an expert on the Middle East, national security and, above all, Iraq, having held faculty positions at Harvard and the US Naval War College. During the 1980s she was an apologist for Saddam's regime, but became anti-Saddam around the time of his invasion of Kuwait in 1990. In the run-up to that Gulf war, with New York Times reporter Judith Miller, Mylroie wrote Saddam Hussein and the Crisis in the Gulf, a well-reviewed bestseller.

SNIP

[RainDog]

29. I'm so glad you posted this

I didn't see it before I posted below, but I think this is more likely.

is there some way to be able to read things someone has posted on this site w/o searching? I really would like to read your posts whenever they appear, but I don't know any way to do this. your post about Armitage was excellent as well.

[leveymg]

32. There are a couple ways to track postings

I diary some of my work: http://journals.democraticunderground.com/leveymg
You can also do an RSS feed on my screen name. Here's an article on how to set up an RSS feed: http://ezinearticles.com/rss_what/

Thanks! Glad you find my stuff interesting. Thanks for your info on New Defence Agenda. I hadn't heard of that UK group before. :toast:

[Garbo 2004]

35. Yeah, there's a bunch of red flags about this one. And it's not exactly a news flash that the

Administration's motivation for invading Iraq had little to do with WMD's. Although Dekker apparently thinks it is.

[defendandprotect]

33. Right, looks more like disinfo --- setting Syria up as "evil" ----

Bush has been trying to get Israel to attack Syria --- after Lebanon ---

Who's the puppet? Who's pulling the strings? And, how much weaponry and $ will we give Israel?

Especially, an Israel at war with most of the ME?

[alllyingwhores]

48. That doesn't make any sense...

If BushCo had evidence that any WMDs were shipped out right before the war--wouldn't that appear to add credibility--or couldn't BushCo say "look, they did have WMDs so we were right to invade--Iraq simply shipped them out from under our noses right before we attacked."

Why would it be one or the other?--BushCo's plan all along was to take out WMDs and take out Saddam--why would they hide that info?

[Lautremont]

6. Tactic #2 is certainly about to be deployed:

Make her look like a paranoid or attention-seeking crank.

[Garbo 2004]

49. Or another Laurie Mylroie. Her interview with Jerome Corsi (name ring a bell?) in Worldnetdaily:

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54542

[NotGivingUp]

7. k&r. n/t

[peacetalksforall]

8. Matches that talk on DU with supporting 'reports?' about a period following the

invasion - a rush to get to 'something', a transfer, with soldiers involved who were getting sick. Also, something about contractors sitting around in Kuwait - waiting to go in to ???????

Lesson learned - flag more stuff - who knew - at least I will flag this story. thanks for posting.

Anyone know a link to a chronological list of the deaths of the biochemist specialists who are no longer with us?

[truth2power]

11. Here's one list...

http://valis.gnn.tv/B16098

100 Dead Scientists and Microbiologists - the Master List.

I googled dead microbiologists list. The first two that came up were from Rense. I guess that's one on the "non-list" that we're not allowed to link to. I can't keep up. I don't know anything about Valis. I hope it's not one of those sites that someone took offense to at one time or another. No way to know, I suppose.

[Emit]

12. Here's a link to 80

http://www.stevequayle.com/dead_scientists/UpdatedDeadScientists.html

2003 and prior: http://www.stevequayle.com/dead_scientists/UpdatedDeadScientists2.html

[truedelphi]

19. I'm not sure that I follow what you are saying. However

Since the search function on this message board is not always very good, I go to "Google" and type in "Democraticunderground" all one word, and then the key words I want for my search.

Sometimes that way I can find articles I wish I'd flagged.

Maybe it will work for you.

[nashville_brook]

9. kick, etc...

[alfredo]

10. We will not survive as a nation if another neo con gets elected.

[Divine Discontent]

25. a better sentence about the troubles we're facing was never spoken on DU...

your statement is so true...

[alfredo]

26. We've got to work like hell to get our candidate elected.

[Pachamama]

13. I suspected that Dr. Kelly's death was not a suicide and that many people, scientists & politicians

have been threatened to death or their families being killed.....Now, after several years of believing that was a possibility and seeing what this administration is capable of doing and blatant disregard for our Constitution and the law, I have absolutely, positively not one doubt that many, many people have been not only threatened (and thus are being kept in check) but that many, many people have been disappeared, tortured and even killed in order to keep them quiet. I may not be the only one who believes this, but I have long wondered if the reason Kerry didn't fight the election count and for Ohio is because members of his family or himself were threatened. I mean that seriously.

[CoffeeCat]

14. Given all of this...

...does anyone actually believe that this administration has plans to
lose the 08 election and go home quietly?

They've got plans for every eventuality, I'm sure. If stealing the election
doesn't get them a false victory--they'll make sure that whatever Dem they
chose to win this election--will continue to propagate their neocon plan in
a timely fashion.

The neocons are on top of the world right now. Taking into consideration
what these people are capable of doing--there is nothing that they won't do
to continue their perversity.

If they lose, they lose 50 years of PNAC progress. No way in hell they'll
let that happen.

If a scientists giving some obscure speech is threatened with death---can
you imagine what our Senators and Congress members have experienced? By
now--given that it's really this bad---they're all in on the game, except
for the rare few that do speak out. By now, those few are powerless voices
that they can position as "liberal, nutjob kook fringe."

Dire. Straights.

[Pachamama]

18. There is no doubt in my mind that those in power (and an awful lot of it) have no intention of

relinquishing it. It is therefore that I have been moving money out of the country and buying property elsewhere. It is why I am diversifying assets and moving them out of this country. I believe the economic not to mention political crash coming to this country is going to be devastating. When I hear Nancy Pelosi and others in the "Democratic Leadership" (another oxymoron) state that we need to focus and wait until November '08, I want to scream. They are either stupid or they think we are stupid if they think that is going to be when the results are going to happen.

I listened to Congresswoman Debbie Wassermann-Schultz the other day on the Ed Schultz show and on the very topic of impeachment was indicating that there was more important business for the Congress to be focused on than impeachment and that the focus must be on Nov. '08. The delusion of this democratic congress and the so-called leadership is mind-blowing. I lost faith completely when the resolution re. Iran was voted on and some of the FISA and Immunity for Telco's debate and now finally the Mukasey vote.

We are right now on a collision course for economic catastrophe and also who knows what insanity from this administration in the Middle East vis a vis Iran, Pakistan etc. And sadly, we have a Congress that won't do crap to stop them. Maybe its because they are being threatened. Maybe they are afraid. Who knows. I only know that I believe this Administration is capable of anything and I think that they will NOT relinquish power and will do whatever they have to in order to keep their power. And the Democratic Leadership knows it. They are scared shitless.

[earth mom]

15. So they are targeting microbiologists.

:wow:

Question is, what are they trying to hide? :tinfoilhat:

[AntiFascist]

17. Yes, when will the rogue agents and shadow organizations decide...

when it is time to deploy these weapons?

[druidity33]

20. Ever seen

V for Vendetta?

Remember how their overlord consolidated power initially? (hint: started at a school)


Wouldn't it be convenient for those in power to unleash something very few qualified people are able to explain/figure out? Except of course those that are under the thumb...

Do you know what COG is?

Martial Law is now possible here... and there are shiny new detention centers to boot!

Question REALLY is, "What aren't they trying to hide?

[peacetalksforall]

21. Two possibilities out of ??? many? One involves Rumsfeld.

His 'company' was the only one that manufactured the antidote to Avian Flu - remember the corporate network attention paid to the threat of Avian Flu? But, then I believe they discovered that the remedy didn't work too well?

Another avenue - the Cheney option - military take over in the event of a disaster. In which case the mercenaries and the neo-cons will have the antidote.

All the deaths of scientists working on HIV is a separate issue?

[dailykoff]

22. Gee she sounds depressed.

Suicidal, if you catch my drift.

:kick:

[TZ]

24. A couple of points here

1) The daily mail is a RW rag that is maybe worse than Faux news. They would love to scare us into being afraid of bioterrorists
2) The only small pox that currently exists in the ENTIRE WORLD is small stocks in US and Russian control. So on the off chance that Syria actually has Small Pox (highly unlikely) the idea of it being a "different strain" from what our vaccine is making our vaccine useless, IS IMPOSSIBLE. Small Pox is EXTINCT in the world!

[RainDog]

28. total psy ops b.s.

which I thought immdiately when I saw her claim that Saddam had wmds that had gone to Syria. That's a neocon favorite. sounds like the psy oppers are trying to use Kelly's death to hype their agenda.

she was a 'bio-defence consultant' for the Brussels-based thinktank New Defence Agenda....The organisation, which bills itself as 'platform for discussing Nato and EU defence and security issues', names former Hong Kong Governor Chris Patten and former Nato secretary general Lord Robertson among its patrons.

But critics have called it the arms industry's 'weapon of mass disinformation' because of the partnerships it has established with companies such as BAe Systems, Lockheed Martin and Thales.

And then, the closer is this:

...If the war was really about WMD, then to be consistent we should also invade Syria," he said. (he being a guy who is
"Otherwise, it suggests that it was more about giving Saddam a bloody nose."

This said by Baker, former UK govt. official. He includes Dekker in his book... things are so convoluted at this point, who knows what is true. one thing I sincerely believe to be true is the issue that Hussein didn't have viable wmds. anything older than 3 years, I think it was, would have been virtually useless, iirc.

[defendandprotect]

30. The Nazi way to win . . . boy, is truth dangerous for them --- !!!!

[defendandprotect]

34. They got what they wanted --- silence!

[kelligesq]

36. Syrria is working on smallpox bioterrorism ? Or is this a psy ops plant

to ready us for war with Syrria?

[kelligesq]

37. wow. listen to us. Proof there is no trust in our government or media anymore. n/t

.

[kelligesq]

38. BTW, Soros on c span today said he's sure * plans to attack *ran between

March and June of 08.

Makes sense * would try it before he's out of office.

And I suspect Soros would have the connections to know.

And of course they wont impeach in the middle of that....so they better be pushed to impeach before he does it.

[NBachers]

39. Which Way? Or Some Other?

And that's something I gotta wonder about - Are the DLC'ers and their ilk so isolated from what we see that they don't function on our (DU's) levels? Is that why they don't respond to the grave threats our nation's experiencing?

It seems to me that they'd be more privy to more information that would make our hair stand on end.

Or have they been so secretly, brutally threatened that they're scared to resist?

Or is it none of the above?

I dunno

[kelligesq]

40. We can only guess. I think they're not "of the people, for the people" anymore

they're bought and paid for by the globalists' and lobbyists - so they're of the corporations and of the lobbyists.

I'm new to DU so it cant be that just DU sees these things. It has to be most Americans see it.

They certainly aren't paying any attention to what
57% of Americans and 75% of democrats want: impeachment the polls say.

So what comes to my mind is that this whole election thing is a farce - they really dont need the people to vote anymore. They're putting on a show for the world that this is still a democratically elected government.

Our only hope would be to pull a Harry Truman on them - in the 1940's they expected Dewey to be elected and the papers even said Dewey was elected, when the people had voted Truman in.

In other words, they've chosen the candidate we must vote for, but we dont. We vote for someone entirely different than what they offer us.

Amd I think that's just what's going to happen, whether by write in or rejected dem running as an independent ala Lieberslime.

If we all get on the same page.

Right now I just think both sides are in cahoots with each other. What other explanation could there be for the dems never standing up to the gops even though the dems are the majority?

[Disturbed]

41. "even though the dems are the majority"

The Dems are not the majority in the Senate. An Over Ride of a Pres. Veto cannot be accomplished
without a lot of Repugs voting to Over Ride.

[Finite]

42. Disclaimer..

Guys - as a brit I feel it is my duty to warn you against believing everything the Daily Hatemail says, generally they're full of s**t

However I wouldn't put this kind of stuff past the Bush administration..

[redqueen]

44. Thanks for the warning.

And welcome to DU! :hi:



By the way though this isn't just the bush admin anymore... it was the UK govt that silenced David Kelly. I wonder which handles things in Brussels... the CIA or MI6?

[Finite]

46. true

(always good to see gooners abroad, cheers for the welcome!)

David Kelly was an odd one.. I still find it very diffiult to believe that he wondered off into the woods and slit his wrists, simply because of some adverse publicity. Also Kelly's fingerprints weren't on the knife.

But hey, the simplist explanation is usually the right one. It's just difficult to put anything past these ruthless f**ckers, and our elected lackeys over here.

[redqueen]

47. Hah yeah... my pleasure... hope you enjoy the place.

And GO ON YOU GUNNERS! Hope we get all three points against Reading today... can't stand Man U, we must deny them the top spot! :D

[ananda]

43. I do not believe that Syria got Saddam's wmd..

.. because there never were any wmd's.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

45. This bullshit is fairly typical of the Daily Mail

David Kelly committed suicided. There isn't even a trace of a question mark over that. The analogy she draws makes me view her claim that she's being threatened clandestinely as even more absurd than I would view it as otherwise.

The bit about the heavy-handed interrogation may be true, but frankly I don't trust someone who writes articles like this to make an objective judgement about what is and isn't heavy-handed.

This is just more typical Daily-Mail paranoid rambling. Try posting in the the UK forum, or somewhere else people know about the DM, and it would get laughed down in flames.

[Matariki]

51. "There isn't even a trace of a question mark over that"

You've got to be kidding.

You sound pretty sure of yourself with that 'not even a trace of a question' assertion.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

52. I am. If you pay attention to sources less unreliable than the Daily Mail, so will you be.

David Kelly committed suicide.

[Sequoia]

53. David did not commit suicide.

[kpete]

50. HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2007/11/two-coke-jet-stories-become-as-one.html

Between 2000 and 2007, the Gulfstream was -- I believe -- largely under the control of Arik Kislin, who has some rather remarkable associates. Among them was Michael Chernoy (also spelled Cherney), an Israeli citizen alleged to have strong links to the Russian mob. Chernoy arranged the "intelligence summit" which figures prominently in the strange story of Dr. Jill Dekkers.

http://theprogressivemind.info/2006/02/another-day-in-empire-saddam-tapes.html

[L. Coyote]

54. Why do journalists commit suicide by shooting themselves twice?

So all the other journalists know how to commit suicide too!