Is there anything from Gore anyone has heard as yet?

[Joe for Clark]

I cannot believe those commercials didn't stir him.

This is a lot latter than I thought we might hear something -

He has gotta be really thinking about this right now - gotta. He could not have envisioned support being strong enough to run commercials for a candidate who is not one - yet- has that ever even happened before??

And I do not, not, not want to be forced to vote for that woman as in a choice between the best of the worst.

Anything?????

Joe

[Yael]

1. YES!

Hes. Not. Interested.

Hes. Not. Running.

He has a life -- be happy for him.

:)

[Joe for Clark]

4. And did he tell you this in a dream too?

What has he SAID!

See- I remember when Bobby wasn't going to run - and then all of a sudden he did - and he would have won - I remember - and this feels a lot like 40 years ago to me.

Joe

[Yael]

14. Heya Joe

I feel ya, man. I like the guy! Just busted a gut last night watching his SNL performance that I hadn't seen before and sent it to my entire office via email.

That said, I have to stand behind someone who I think can win, but more importantly, who wants the job.

At what point will you move to another candidate?

[Joe for Clark]

17. Honestly - the day I really think he can't run - that it is just too

late. That day.

Joe

[madokie]

26. Me too Joe, me too

[cosmik debris]

2. No means no.

What part of no did you not understand?

[Joe for Clark]

8. How do you know - did he say this - did he say anything

beyond what he did say before the "onslaught"?

Joe

[cosmik debris]

19. How many time does he have to say no?

Once a month? Once a week? Once a day? Once an hour?

No means no. What part of no do you not understand?

[Mike03]

25. I agree with you

He was my last great hope, but he has made his POV clear.

NO NO NO.

N. O.

Quit wasting emotional energy, hope and bandwidth.

[Californian Dreamer]

77. Just once

[earth mom]

23. But Gore hasn't empatically said "No". That's why so many of us are still waiting.

You need to listen to what Gore actually said, not make shit up. :eyes:

[cosmik debris]

30. Huh? Do you think I made something up?

Please let me know what it was so that I might apologize.

[Jackpine Radical]

58. I have no plans

to surrender my hope for a Gore run.

[Uncle Joe]

94. Seconded. n/t

[panader0]

3. I'm not thrilled with Hill either.

But she will get my vote if she is the nominee. The Irish gambling odds have her 'way ahead of anyone, with 47 % of the overall and Rudy with 17%. I think it's already decided.

[fooj]

9. And they say we live in a democracy...

"I think it's already decided"...and we certainly have been told who the "decider" is, haven't we?

It just keeps getting worse and worse.

[SammyWinstonJack]

16. No kidding!

[asthmaticeog]

5. I heard he had no plans to run. nt

[asdjrocky]

6. I'm really new here...

But from what I've seen so far this thread runs at least once a day here right? Is he? Isn't he? Let him live his life. We have at least one good candidate that really wants the job.

[Joe for Clark]

11. I don't know how much it runs - at best I only look in every

3 days or so.

If we do indeed have a really good candidate - please tell me who it is.

Joe

[asdjrocky]

20. I was not trying to be rude.

I think it is obvious who I support. And I believe DK is a great man, a once in a generation mind, and I've given him money - not a lot because I don't have a lot - but reality tells me the best shot at sixteen years of Democratic control of the white house is in the hands of John Edwards. But, I do believe we have a big tent, and while I'm far from agreeing with all of the Democratic candidates views, I do give respect and credit for the ones that have truly declared their desire to represent the American people. That's just the way I feel. Gore got robed in 2000, where were we all then?

[Joe for Clark]

22. If I was - I did NOT mean to be rude either.

[Dervill Crow]

15. Who's that?

I have no strong feelings about any of our candidates except Kucinich.

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. He is not runnig

every time he says no plans, it means exactly that no plans

[Joe for Clark]

10. You really don't know that - you assume.

Joe

[nadinbrzezinski]

36. No, I know, he has said I don't have any plans

that means no...

I wish he ran...

But I respect him for not doing it

He does not want to play with the character assasins all over this country and you know what? Can say I can blame him

[Joe for Clark]

42. Nadin - I don't plan to get up tomorrow until the first good

college football game is on - but I probably will -

Do you see what I am getting at here?

Joe

[nadinbrzezinski]

50. Yeah but I concluded a while ago that he is not running

and putting my efforts and money where I can make, hopefully, a diference

and if he announced I'm there

But the cold reality tells me that he won't and I can't blame him either

[Joe for Clark]

52. You may be right Nadin - I don't think you should give up

anything - I know you already have and your family has - don't do that. Just about believing now anyway.

But don't you believe - in the pit of your stomache - that we have given so much, so much blood we get this mulligan in history - just this once??

And if we are wrong - if we go down in the end, as a country - don't you want to go down in a blaze of glory - to do the right thing?

Just may lose this thing - we may go down in the end - the United States of America - but I really do love the country - and I will go down swinging.

And that really may happen - but I will not sell my principles. I think it is so sad that the traditional conservatives - they are in the very same boat as us now. SO sad.

Joe

[nadinbrzezinski]

53. the blaze of glory will be coming sooner than later

and the realization that this is just another country will also come

[Joe for Clark]

57. I know it could -

As to if or not we really are just another country as you say - that is god's decision, not ours. You can only try your best anyway.

I do trust in the blood of our fathers. And this little pimple is just that - a blemish on a great nation. And that is exactly how he will be remembered, little SOB.

Nadin - I know what happened in the war - "THE WAR" - I know. That we stoped a dark age - we LITERALLY stopped a dark age.

Probably I am a helpless romatic - but I would rather perish that way than live as a compromiser.

Blaze of glory it is - if it ever comes to that.

Joe

[proud2BlibKansan]

84. I don't respect him for not running

After all the grassroots efforts to draft him, he needs to heed the call. I lose respect for him every day that he doesn't announce he IS running or doesn't make that Sherman statement that he is definitely NOT running. He is playing a game with millions of supporters. And it really pisses me off.

[NoPasaran]

12. If you play the videotape of Al on 30 Rock backwards, he states clearly he is not running

Also, the walrus was Paul.

[Joe for Clark]

18. Thats right -"I buried Paul"

Magical Mystery Tour - isn't it???

Joe

[Pastiche423]

13. Hey! I won't be forced to vote for that woman...

No one can force me to fill in the oval across from her name on my Paper ballot.

As I said in the Al Gore forum, I will still have hope until he tells the world, " I shall not seek, and I will not accept, the nomination of my party as your President."

Bobby Kennedy did not enter the 1968 primary until March of that year and he won the California primary before he was asassinated.

Besides, when he does enter the race, we won't have to worry about that woman.

[Joe for Clark]

32. I remember Bobby - I don't forget either.

I don't understand - why do people thik this is over - the election is NEXT YEAR!!!

What - you guys listening to CNN now??

Joe

[Pastiche423]

41. I think it is because Mr. Gore

is not "running" a traditional(sic) campaign.

What's CNN saying? I don't have cable, so I miss a lot of "news".

[Joe for Clark]

43. You aren't missing anything -

Joe

[proud2BlibKansan]

85. Joe, it's over after the primaries

We will know who the nominees are in just a couple months.

[proud2BlibKansan]

86. We have primaries a lot earlier now

[Pastiche423]

92. So?

There is no law saying they must be earlier.

[Naturyl]

21. He is not running.

It's disappointing, but it's time to move on. The Gore fantasy cost Dennis Kucinich a ton of votes in the recent DFA poll. It's also tying up valuable support and resources that could be used to help Dems who *are* running.

It's time to re-join the reality-based community. No means no.

[tammywammy]

24. He is not running n/t

[Mike03]

27. To paraphrase another DUer, at this point praying and pining for

Gore is pathetic. It's just pathetic. I did it, and I admit it, but it's time to move on.

[Joe for Clark]

29. I choose to be pathetic then -

Joe

[Mike03]

33. I know where you are coming from.

Me too.

But we have to let go, for our own sanity, and to help figure out which direction we want to take our country in.

[Joe for Clark]

37. I have no doubt which direction the country needs to go

and right now - it ain't - and I will not accept pale immitations of it - we don't deserve this.

This is my, our country - the day we have to cave in - well, they can pry it out of my cold dead fingers.

Come on AL - for christ's sake - you know the right thing to do here!!

Joe

[Joe for Clark]

28. I will say this once - and maybe it has been said -

He did want to be president once - in fact he won only to be screwed over by the supreme court. Is it in his blood to want this thing?

If he really believed the planet was in great danger - how much can he influence events from the outside - as opposed to being president of the strongest country in the world - really??

He knows, has to know by now - if he want this thing he wins - he isn't just going to just carry democrats here - but a goodly chunk of the true conservatives as well.

If he really wants this ofice - it is his - if -

This world was built in if s.

Joe

[nadinbrzezinski]

38. How much can he influence things from the outside?

quite a bit, he already has. He has built a new environment movement already

[Joe for Clark]

40. Really - well a president of the US can get mileage standards

set higher, can't he?- a president of the US - can cause to be launched a program to build internal fuels and screw the middle east in perpetuitiy - can't he? (I think for a lot less than the Iraq war, too)

You shouldn't underestimate the power in that office - not after these past few years you shouldn't. This SOB - managed to screw the constituition for god's sake!!

Quit screwing around Mr Gore - we know you are that smart boy in the room!!

Joe

[KoKo]

31. I'm getting e-mails from him...in my free Yahoo Mailbox.

and I'm on the list for every Dem Group from DLC to Progressive Democrats. Al is sending e-mails updating his positions and what Current TV is doing. :shrug:

He's out there...and telling us he's active. If he wasn't interested I think he'd be pretty busy being quiet ...since it's not like he doesn't have enough going on...that he would be hawking his stuff to me along with Chuck Shumer, DFA, DLC, ACLU, EFF, National Resources Defense Council, Sierra Club, Howard Dean (DNC), DCC, DSCC and "True Majority," "Emily's List," "People for the American Way" and gosh! ...I can't remember all the rest I'm signed up for. But, AL is always there alerting me to what he's doing.

Who knows...but he can come in anytime...

[Joe for Clark]

34. That is a good and reasonable observation.

[Mike03]

35. Joe, would it comfort you at all to imagine

that Gore might better serve our country in another office other than President? As secretary of the Interior, or just a global leader able to focus on his obsessions?

Maybe being President would ruin what Al Gore is best at.

[Joe for Clark]

45. Uh huh - ever hear of a secretary of the interior (or anything else)

actually influencing ANYTHING - I haven't.

If you believe, really believed the end of the world was a real possibility because of what man was doing - wouldn't you try and stop it -from the highest level acheivable - wouldn't you!!! Wouldn't you be morally obligated to try- just as a human being??

If he believes, he will run - and I think he is very sincere - I just want to hear him say it for god's sake. It is getting late in the day.

Joe

[Mike03]

51. God bless you, Joe

Your heart is passionate, and you want good things for this planet.

I don't think Al Gore believes we can save the planet, and I don't believe we can either. Sorry. I think it's too late, and human beings are too selfish, self-centered, irrational and believe they are immortal.

We are in trouble, but no single man can save us.

But you are a very beautiful person to keep these hopes alive. Maybe you are right, and that would be fantastic.

Bless you, and I pray to the Universe you are right.

[Joe for Clark]

54. And god bless you - and I know he will.

Joe

[cosmik debris]

56. Stewart Udall

"Udall was largely responsible for the enactment of environmental laws in Johnson's Great Society legislative agenda, including the Clear Air, Water Quality and Clean Water Restoration Acts and Amendments, the Wilderness Act of 1964, the Endangered Species Preservation Act of 1966, the Land and Water Conservation Act of 1965, the Solid Waste Disposal Act of 1965, the National Trail System Act of 1968, and Wild and Scenic Rivers Act of 1968."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stewart_Udall

I'm sorry your political education is so shallow and your understanding of history is so weak.

[Joe for Clark]

62. Yeah - his solid waste program really was a "turning point."

Too bad a lot of the current politicans didn't "use it."

Joe

[cosmik debris]

64. You don't seem to know what you are talking about

And in cases like that, it is best to quit talking.

[Joe for Clark]

66. I suppose one of us doesn't -

You are right though - if you can't say anything nice - say nothing at all.

Except -

READ A BOOK MAN.

Joe

[cosmik debris]

71. Pick one

http://www.buybundle.com/search.php?sopt=5&keyword=1280644&dvcid=-1&PHPSESSID=17a16a6981f1bf1c32b3848733d8273e

Since you are the one who never heard of Stewart Udall perhaps you could benefit from a little reading too.

Since you are the one who never heard of a Secretary of the Interior influencing anything, perhaps you could catch up on the lapses in your own education.

I'm truly sorry you did not get a better education, but don't take it out on me.

[Joe for Clark]

73. Thats not what I said. I said he didn't influence the

"events of our day" - but maybe you're right -those waiste projects sure ranked right up there with the Viet Nam War alright.

I think I got it here - just who the players are right here - don't dork Nadin - you know she sent X-mas presents to a bunch of the kids in Iraq - know why - cause once she and hers were one of those kids.

I really don't have any issue with you man - I thought this was just a fluid exchange of ideas -and I mean no personal attack toward you at all - quite the contrary, I applaude you for your effort.

And frankly - if you are the person with a problem with anything I said - why in god's name don't you just PM me???

Joe

[cosmik debris]

76. The Endangered Species Act didn't influence events of our day?

Where the hell have you been living?

Look, YOU are the one who admitted YOUR OWN ignorance. I offered you an example to help fill in the gaps in your education. I commiserated with you for your woefully inadequate education. You still have my sympathy.

When you don't know something you should not strike out at those that offer you the knowledge you lack.

Edit: And just to set the record straight, what you actually said was: "Uh huh - ever hear of a secretary of the interior (or anything else) actually influencing ANYTHING - I haven't."

You made no mention of events of our day.

[Joe for Clark]

78. Ok - its ok -your words - striking out - are pretty strong words.

I strike out at nothing you say. I just disagreed.

I am sure your right - I must have a woefully inadequate education. OK.

You want to PM me? You can just leave Nadin alone too - either option is ok with me.

OK?

Joe

[cosmik debris]

79. I don't understand what Nadin has to do with this

I have not responded to any posts from Nadin. I have not mentioned Nadin in any of my posts. Yet you have mentioned that name twice as if I should recognize it. What's the deal?

[Joe for Clark]

80. Its nothing I am sure.

[cosmik debris]

81. In your own words:

"READ A BOOK MAN"

[Joe for Clark]

82. Thats right - I said that.

Now I am saying - have a great veterans day!

Joe

[cosmik debris]

83. I hope you will take your own advice.

It would help you avoid embarrassments like this in the future.

[proud2BlibKansan]

87. You need to lay off of Joe

He posted a sincere thread starter and he is one of the least offensive DUers.

[KoKo]

90. He said he wouldn't accept any position in any administration

when he was interviewed recently. I posted here, his exact words. He said "I don't have plans to be a candidate and I certainly don't have plans to serve in any administration." That he said "certainly" about serving in any administration but didn't say I'm "certainly" not planning to be a candidate gave some of us hope. Even Steven Colbert picked up on Gore's statement and gave a "wink, wink, nod, nod" as he read it.

So...again...there is a parsing of words that makes one have hope...

[Wiley50]

39. GORE IS RUNNING!

He's running as fast and as far away from the presidency as he possibly can.

Sorry.

The anticipation has been eating me up too.

But really, I don't blame him.

He would be the most popular president since Kennedy

and the Powers That Be wouldn't allow him to serve even as long.

[Joe for Clark]

47. Maybe you forget just who the powers that be really are -

look in the mirror - we are them - we always were. We just forgot.

Joe

[mopinko]

44. right there with ya joe

till he makes that sherman statement, tells the drafters to go home, and endorses someone else, i just have to hope. what is it hurting, is what i say. what does it hurt for us faithful to demand a candidate as good as al? if there was somewhere good to jump, i would jump. but in the meantime, i pine for al.

[Joe for Clark]

49. It is hard to see the right sometimes -I know -

Even msnbc is "annointed" the next president - I got it - but they aren't voting either.

And this isn't happening tomorrow.

I really do have a naive faith in the country- in us to make the right decision at the critical moment - we have done it so many times before. We will now. Its Karma.

Joe

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

46. I've stopped caring if he runs or not.

Gore had his chance and thumbed his nose at it. Dennis has my vote now.

[SoCalDem]

48. Yes! I think I read somewhere

that Gore believes the environment is having some technical difficulties :hi:

[nadinbrzezinski]

55. Oh and Joe this is why he is not running

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2249963

Ritual defamanation can and is a bitch.. this is exactly what was done to him in 2000 and to Kerry in 2004

[Joe for Clark]

59. Maybe - we are still screwed though.

[yodermon]

60. my head just imploded

i have no idea why that thread was locked.
am i just dense?

[Joe for Clark]

63. It was???

[nadinbrzezinski]

65. Because ONE DU'er took that as a personal attack

never mind that is a valid topic of discusion.

PM me if you want more details.

[Joe for Clark]

68. A personal attack????

You gotta be kidding me.

Joe

[nadinbrzezinski]

70. Nope

And if you see me get toombstoned that is the reason

;-)

One Du'er, who I will not identify, nor post links, who felt speaking of these things is a personal attack... and has pull with mods

So I asked in a thread wehther talkng about OJ is A-OK

[Joe for Clark]

72. Don't go down Nadin - you are a good voice of sanity -

And we don't always agree on things - but I respected your opinion always. AND I KNOW you helped the kids.

You do not deserve this -and if you do go down and I am standing -I will scream my lungs out.

WHO EVER THOUGHT THIS WAS SOME KIND OF PERSONAL ATTACK -why don't you PM me- I don't bite or anything - I seriously go out of my way to make no waves toward people who, agree or not with -I think were at least brave enough to try.

Leave her alone - that lady and her family fought for the country - hard - cut it out - at least have the courage to talk to the people you think wronged you before you go to the moderators - isn't that courtesy? In fact - normal behavior??

Joe

Joe

[nadinbrzezinski]

74. Joe don't worry about it

really

I don't take it personally and my money will go somewhere else if they do that.

[Joe for Clark]

75. No Nadin - I want to hear you speak - it s that thing about us as a

people -we don't have to agree on anything to respect and want to hear other voices (although we do usually agree).

I will stand with you - it doesn't matter if we agree or not - not the point.

Joe



Joe

[KoKo]

91. Nadin....I can't believe that post was locked. It was the truth of what they do...

and locked for "flamebait?" Amazing.. :eyes:

[nadinbrzezinski]

104. Well some folks have observed a pattern

and there are some round these parts that do have protection.

And that post... it mostly quotes social science and political science research on the topic... but it was deemed as a personal atack by a single DU'er for whom the world revolves around...

And there are few that think the world goes around them.

Sad... but true, since it shows very little maturity, political or otherwise.

[nadinbrzezinski]

105. Well some folks have observed a pattern

and there are some round these parts that do have protection.

And that post... it mostly quotes social science and political science research on the topic... but it was deemed as a personal atack by a single DU'er for whom the world revolves around...

And there are few that think the world goes around them.

Sad... but true, since it shows very little maturity, political or otherwise.

[earth mom]

101. The M.O. is to attack the messenger instead of the message...

you see it every day on (although I don't watch) on Faux News.

Gore is WAY smarter than those damn idiots and that's why I still think he has figured out a way to beat them at their game and will soon announce.

I'm not giving up yet. Maybe that makes me naive. But so be it.

Hope is all that's left at this point.

[nadinbrzezinski]

106. Yep, hope is the last thing to die

[Snarkoleptic]

61. Get the net...live in the now...he's not running...move on to something productive.

[bowens43]

67. Yes, he's not running. Leave the man alone.

[Joe for Clark]

69. You know I just wanted to know what he said - I think he earned

tht degree of trust. I did not want opinions as to what he - meant or his tea leaves said or psychic dreams or anything like - if you don't know - skip this thread.

Joe

[JTFrog]

88. JUST LEAVE AL ALONE!!!

Give me a break. He left the door open for his own reasons. He's damn well capable of taking care of himself and if he wanted to be left alone he'd come out and say it. He's done it before.

The man is a genius and our support for him only strengthens his position.

But if you feel the need to protect him like he's Brittney Spears, well then this one's for you.

[B Calm]

89. HE IS NOT RUNNING! Time to move on!

[Pastiche423]

93. Says who?

Who are you to tell anyone else to move on? And why should anyone move on?

[B Calm]

95. Al Gore said it!

I'm no judge, but if you want to keep begging him, that's your right!

[Pastiche423]

96. Al Gore told us to move on?

Link, please.

[B Calm]

97. Link

I SAID IT WAS TIME TO MOVE ON! Did you not read my first post above? What the hell is your problem? I also said Al Gore told us he's not running for President, can you not read?

[Pastiche423]

98. I can read perfectly well, TYVM

Who are you to tell anyone to move on?

No one, that's who.

[B Calm]

99. Have you ever wanted to ask a Judge, who are you to judge anyone?

[Pastiche423]

100. No

Why would I?

[B Calm]

102. whoosh

[Pastiche423]

103. That wasn't a "whoosh"

What you said made no sense. It does not relate to an individual deciding he/she can decide what others can and cannot do or say.

A judge is hired/elected to judge in a case of law. Individuals are not.

[Alexander]

107. But where did Al Gore say it was time to move on?

"I SAID IT WAS TIME TO MOVE ON!"

We don't care about what you say.

"I also said Al Gore told us he's not running for President, can you not read?"

You claimed Al Gore told people to "move on" and then backtracked from it. Can you not read your own posts?