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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 04:48 PM
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Fellow Dems: Don't act like Republicans
Edited on Fri Nov-09-07 04:51 PM by debbierlus
They do not hold their leadership accountable.

They walk in lock-step, failing to question them when they enact policies that do not represent their interest.

They believe their Republican leaders' words, instead of their deeds.

In short, they do not provide oversight to their representatives, thus they their representatives have no oversight.

I know it sucks. I know it is huge disappointment, that the party we put into Congressional control, is not answering the call to fulfill their oversight duties.

But, look at what is happening. Open your eyes. The dems are not representing us. Did you see what happened in August? Did you watch the vote where they handed Bush power to spy on American citizens without a warrant? Did you see them vote for the Liberman resolution declaring Iran's military a terrorist organization - did you see them walk right into giving Bush the cover to start WWIII???? Why did they allow Mukasey to be confirmed as Attorney General? Why do they cringe & cower from impeachment to the point, the Republicans use the issue to make a mockery of them?

Why do they not rally against the fascism that the Bush administration is systemically instituting in the stead of our Constitutional system of government?

We are on the edge of an abyss. Don't you get it. No matter what FISA laws the dems try to institute, Bush will IGNORE.
No matter how much legislation they try to pass, Bush will veto.

We need to act now. Bush is on the verge of starting WWIII. The dems have to fight, and we need to MAKE them fight. If we don't, tell me how we differ from the Republicans?
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 04:51 PM
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1. "We need to act now. " Ok. What's the plan?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 04:54 PM
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3. The first step is in opening eyes
the second, adn I am not shitting you, is talkng to people and breaking the isolation

On the poltiical realm, CALL, FAX, PESTER

And tell them that their innaction will lead to you voting for somebody else... They rely on your vote... well make them work for it. And they work for you... not just come every two years like beggars.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 05:01 PM
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5. "their innaction will lead to you voting for somebody else": Count on it!
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 05:35 PM
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10. Go to their offices, fax them, call them, don't leave them alone

Talk to your family & friends and have them do the same.

Write Letters to the Editor & encourage your community to become involved. Show up at dem meetings &
talk about it. Get them to vow to call five people & then have those five people vow to do the same...

Put up signs, call into local radio shows...

Show up to events your Congressperson will be at & TALK to them.

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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 04:53 PM
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2. :applause:
:applause:
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 04:55 PM
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4. I hate to say this but the DLC crowd is not that different
and they do have a need for lockstep thinking

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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 05:04 PM
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6. we do need to act now
because when the primaries are over we are gonna hafta unite before someone...
even if its a jackass with a D by their name if we dont want another republican in office
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 05:06 PM
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7. Dems are acting EXACTLY like Republicans - they've been intimidated by their
leaders as chosen by the BFEE controlled media.

The Republican lawmakers and voters had been convinced over the years that THEY CANNOT WIN without Rove and the Bush "MACHINE" leading them. Rove's a genius, y'know.

The Democratic lawmakers and voters have been told for years that they NEED Bill Clinton and the Clinton "MACHINE" to prevail politically. Clinton's a genius, y'know.

Ever wonder why the Clinton 'MACHINE" would always say that Gore lost because he distanced himself from Clinton and ran as a populist?

Well, Gore would have won by a landslide if the DNC Clinton put together in the 90s would have done their job and secured the election process. The DNC let the RNC dominate the process at every level where the votes were allowed, cast and counted. 2002 and 2004 were allowed to get WORSE.

GOPs believe Bushes are synonymous with power, and the Democrats are close to making the same capitulation to their perceived almighty.

How close to monarchy can a democratic country get?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 06:08 PM
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12. Ever seem like you're shouting into an abyss?
I've been here for years... I thought we all saw this shit.

But lookee here, we've got two free-tradin front runners.

:banghead:
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Green Mountain Dem Donating Member (784 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 05:07 PM
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8. Tell me how...
to MAKE them fight!!! The media is bought and paid for....corporations control most of our politicians..until campaign financing reform is addressed in a serious manner..NOTHING WILL CHANGE! We just lost another Vermonter, the 26th, which is more per capita than any other state. He was 21 and just married a year ago.

They MADE him fight but we can't MAKE them fight..what's up with that picture?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 05:11 PM
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9. We need to be willing to vote the bums out
and TELL THEM

And then DO IT

Of course that assumes there is still a working democracy
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 06:06 PM
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11. This is a great plan, but even unhappy people don't vote against their incumbants.
That MUST change.
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Mike03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 06:12 PM
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13. After trying to keep the faith for a year, I too am on the verge
of giving up, at least so far as defending our representatives.

What bothers me most is that my rational mind can think of no credible reason why it IS this way. That is what leads to conspiratorial theories about senators being blackmailed, shadowy organizations, etc...

Or maybe it's just what another poster here at DU once wrote: These are human beings and they stand on the same earth we do, and the earth is moving all the time now. Fear. Uncertainty. Indecisiveness on what is right.

I truly don't know anymore. My current state of mind: Exasperated.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 04:34 PM
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15. Because the fascists first bought control of most broadcast media in the 80s and 90s.
And THEY have developed the two teams they want playing on the field - as both teams belong to them.

And it's not the Republicans and Democrats.

It's the Bushes and the Clintons.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 06:23 PM
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14. CORPORATE MEDIA OD. The Democrats showed the highest Democratic unity score in 51 years.
Repeat it as you will, your meme is false.

"President Bush's success rating in the Democratic-controlled House has fallen this year to a half-century low, and he prevailed on only 14 percent of the 76 roll call votes on which he took a clear position.

"So far this year, Democrats have backed the majority position of their caucus 91 percent of the time on average on such votes. That marks the highest Democratic unity score in 51 years."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
http://public.cq.com/docs/cqt/news110-000002576765.html

Don't let the media rhetoric fool you. The Democrats have acquitted themselves quite well--especially given their bare majority in both houses, and a relentlessly obstructionist Republican minority.

this 110th Congress has had more roll call votes this year than any
other Congress in history, almost doubling the number under the previous Congress overseen by Boehner
and House Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-IL):
The House last week held its 943rd roll call vote of the year, breaking the previous
record of 942 votes, a mark set in 1978. The vote was on a procedural motion related to a
mortgage foreclosure bill. When the House adjourned on Oct. 4 for the long weekend, the
chamber had reached 948 roll call votes, putting Democrats on pace to easily eclipse 1,000
votes on the House floor in 2007.
Last year, the Republican controlled House held 543 votes, and for historical comparison,
the last time there was a shift in power in Congress, Republicans held 885 roll call votes in
1995. The Senate, which has held 363 votes this year, isnt on pace to break any
records, but has already surpassed the 2006 Senate mark of 279 votes.
Much of the lack of progress can be traced back to obstructionism by conservatives. Approximately 1 in
6 roll-call votes in the Senate this year have been cloture votes, noted a JulyMcClatchy report. If this
pace of blocking legislation continues, this 110th Congress will be on track to roughly triple the previous
record number of cloture votes.
Its interesting that Boehner is criticizing the 110th Congress as doing nothing. After all, the House, under
his leadership, met for just 101 days during the second session of the 109th Congress, setting the record
for the fewest days in session in one year since the end ofWorld War II.
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