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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 01:41 PM
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Big Ed's take on the Ron Paul Phenomena
The congresssional leadership not reigning in the spying and saying there's no time for impeachment or it would divide the nation. He said people keep hearing the word "constitution" coming from Ron Paul, so some are flocking to him and making him a player. I just heard it on his radio show.
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 01:51 PM
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1. There's a pickup truck in my daughter's middle-class
neighborhood with a really big Ron Paul sign.

I think Ron Paul is attracting white Repub males who can't bring themselves to even think of voting for the Dems, but are fed up with the current Repub politicians.
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Tactical Progressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 02:43 PM
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24. That's it exactly
Part of the right-winger mindset is never really admitting you are wrong, let alone a complete asshole from the inside out.

Their hero, the strutting Bushie, "better than Reagan", has been as corrupt and failed as his beliefs and attitudes have inevitably mandated he would be. Bush, the entire Publican Congress, and the full Publican constituency throughout the country cheered them on and threatened anyone who didn't.

But it's not them that failed. Why? Because it couldn't be. Not ever in their minds does that ever happen. They are, quite literally, the people of no personal responsibility. You can always tell what a Publican is by what they project on other people. No personal responsibility, no fiscal responsibility, no 'protecting America' (see 9/11/01, see ports & infrastructure today), no values, no morals, ... The full Publican package. The unexamined mirror, projected outward.

So what is happening instead is, the Republican party 'left them'. And they'll swing over to a libertarian crackpot like Ron Paul before they'll spend one millisecond looking in the mirror at what they think and who they really are. It will ALWAYS be somebody elses fault and never their own lack of character and honesty. These people stole elections and they still think they are Americans and believe in democracy for gods sake.

They will be as corrupt and dishonest and self-centered as it is possible to be, and in the end no mirror will ever be needed; it will always be somebody else's fault.
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rove karl rove Donating Member (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 05:30 PM
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29. right
most of Ron Paul's donors are white and male, and all the white supremists are behind him.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 01:52 PM
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2. That may be part of it, but I think it's his STRONG demand for
all troops to get out of Iraq, S. Korea, and all the other places we have soldiers stashed since wars of many years ago! The one thing that scares me about Paul is his positions on EVERYTHING ELSE! He really IS a true Libertarian. He wants to eliminate almost all Fed. Agencies, including the SS Dept, Welfare, Medicare/Medicaid, the IRS, & convert to a flat tax. Other than wanting the US to stay the hell out of the World's business, he's plain NUTS!
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 01:54 PM
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3. I know that. I do think Big Ed might be on to something though.
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 01:56 PM
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4. And with a Democratically controlled congress, ironically,
the only area in which he'd have any power is that in which most DU'rs seem to agree with him: Foreign policy.

Lots of antiwar Democrats are willing to sell out the soul of the party just to stop a war and prevent a small-scale nuclear attack. I find that appalling.
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 02:00 PM
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10. hmm...let mee see..stop nuclear attack or stay with the party...which is it going to be...nt
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 02:11 PM
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12. Hhhmmmm
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 02:12 PM
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13. The fact that you can even ask proves your disloyalty to Democrats.
I should alert on this post, but I won't.

I think you're one of the "warblind" and I feel pity for you.
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 01:58 PM
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8. To be fair, Ron Pauls flat tax = no (income) tax. nt
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 02:08 PM
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11. That's true, but from everything I've heard and read, the "flat tax"
would be on EVERYTHING SOLD! "Do YOU really want to pay an add-on 25% tax to everything YOU BUY? I sure don't!
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 02:13 PM
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15. I don't think it would include groceries & necessities.
The biggest problem with getting rid of the income tax is that it would force us to shrink government back to the size it was in the year 2000. That's way too small.
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 02:38 PM
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23. Did I mention I think I love you???
I can be having an annoying miserable day with employees who can't think and I just come here, find a few of your messages and my mood immediately improves!

THANK YOU!
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 04:51 PM
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25. Are you stalking me?
I think I told you yesterday that it's inappropriate.
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 05:23 PM
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27. Not intentionally.
However, I find myself looking through threads, find one that makes me smile and invariably I see the name txaslftist
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 05:28 PM
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28. Well, good. That makes me feel great. I like to know that there are
good loyal Democratic partisans out there like myself, who put the Democratic Party first in their thoughts!
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 02:16 PM
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18. The so=called "flat tax" = more taxes on the poor & middle class.
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 02:32 PM
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21. If it's a tradeoff between his small flat tax and income tax, the poor and m/c win.
Right now the tax code is way skewed to the benefit of the very wealthy, and the m/c and poor pay way out of proportion to their actual wealth. What we need to do is fix the income tax, not monkey with some new tax, no matter how low it is. The income tax should reduce the burden on the poor and m/c, and create more of a burden on the super-rich, who can afford it.
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 01:56 PM
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5. Hasn't Chris Dodd been all over these issues, too?
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 01:58 PM
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6. Yes, he has in my estimation.
Edited on Thu Nov-08-07 01:58 PM by mmonk
That's why I support him and Kucinich through donations. But Kucinich is the one on the impeachment issue also.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 01:58 PM
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7. I saw a bunch of them on the street corner.
I didn't know whether to flip them off or feel sorry for them because of their mental handicaps.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 02:00 PM
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9. People also like him because he doesn't accept corporate funding.
He won't bow down to the corporations, and I find it refreshing. But I won't vote for him or send him money even though he is my congresscritter.
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 02:14 PM
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16. Heh. I'm thinking he'd take it if he could get it.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 02:13 PM
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14. I haven't seen ANY support for him in my neck of the woods.
North TX here... big repub stronghold.
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 02:14 PM
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17. North Texas? Me, too.
Ron Paul signs are the only presidential candidate signs I see in Lubbock.

Shocking.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 02:19 PM
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19. Where I live too (Ron Paul signs) and it's nowhere near Texas.
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 02:29 PM
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20. It's like a disease. All these people. Where do they come from?
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 02:35 PM
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22. I don't know but it came out of nowhere and fast.
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 04:52 PM
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26. I think libertarians are like the smoldering ashes under California trees.
Years of annoying smoke, and then one day they burn down your house.

Very disturbing.
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