DINOs, I'm sick of them.

[FREEWILL56]

You may not even call this a post, but it could be more of a rant. I know of too many Democrats that have total republican values and are such hypocrites that I can't believe it at times. What's worse is that it seems epidemic. I have seen this happen in my family (external) and even friends I used to have. These idiots are so for bush and the crap the republicans are pulling and in light of the representation we are seeing in congress it seems it is proof that we Democrats need to hear it defined what it is to be a Democrat as it seems to be changing and not for the better. We are going right wing while the republicans have gone absolutely insane, hence the term wingnut. I know this may be a bad time to say all of this, but when is a good time?

So what made me post this is the straw that broke the camel's back. A friend I have had for better than 30 years said some things to me via email that I knew I was being falsely and unjustly attacked by him. When I defended nicely he ripped me a new one. He did lose his parents about 15-20 years ago and they had left him the very nice home they had along with an inheritence and some life insurance. I didn't think much of it, but it changed him. He didn't have to go to work or worry about feeding himself, paying the bills, and so on that many of us have had to do the hard way. All was given to him on a silver platter, but I had no clue he was getting ready to do what he did to me that recent fateful day. I had asked him if he ever did anything in the stock market as he sent me an email with a story of how some guy was wanting to know what the right time would be to get his son (I believe 10 years old) started in the stock market. This was of course a basic yes or no thing and I thought he might add a bit to it such as when he started or if he started as I know nothing of doing that let alone afford it. He then laid into me how I missed a great opportunity to be rich if only I had even put $100 a month into the stock market starting 20 years ago. This went on and on insult after insult until I stopped reading it and fired one off back to him saying pretty much in summary, 'How dare you say this when I had to buy my home that is a fixerupper with crap jobs with no help and unlike you I didn't have it given to me as you've hardly ever worked?' For the record he is now in his mid to late 40s (younger than me), single, and way over weight from doing nothing.

Upon getting a responce from him a couple days later (he needed to think his responce through) all kinds of lies and misnomers came from him about me. He thinks my home was a government handout to me that I paid a dollar for it and that I did not honor the contract to get it finished in fixing it up. No contract was involved with it as I bought it at a much higher price that I earned every penny of to pay for it and I was doing the work in it due to the shortness of funds. Minimum wage jobs don't cut now and they didn't cut it then either. I had so much on my plate to deal with and I did alot of hard work both at work and at home with some times of being inbetween jobs, especially during the Reagan/Bush1 eras. He tells me that I'm lazy and I did nothing all of those years to make myself rich like him and that he agrees with all bush is doing and didn't like my complaining about Reagan years ago. Needless to say, that did it for me with him as I'm so mad I'd be tempted to pop him. Remember he is a Democrat.

Needless to say there is so much more to the story I had given, that you would be seeing red as that sob does nothing, had everything handed to him, and he told me he has a right to his opinions. That left nothing sayable that would make a damn bit of difference as he believes his lies and opinions to be right and I know it would be useless telling him or proving anything to him. He kept his true nature secret from me for many years it seems, but I know he wasn't this bad before he had gotten all of that money. Oh, by the way, when I had mentioned about my point of him not having to struggle and do things the hard way as I had been all of my life, he responded with something like 'my money is none of your f...ing business and I won't apologize to anybody for getting it.' which had nothing to do with my point to him. I only made the point of him not being qualified to know what I could or could not do bcause he didn't have to work. He had in fact said this in responce to a previous email that I had sent him that I saw about the FCC here on the DU, which was a song and I thought he might get a chuckle from it being he is into 2way radios. Here is the that reply as I am going to copy and paste it for it is not as long or as bad as his other reply to me concerning him attacking me that I had received later that same day.

"O brother what a bunch a goof balls. Typical hysterical left wingers. They rant and rave and say absolutely nothing of importance. Whats scaring is they have the right to vote.

Check out this site. My political ideology is runs pretty close along the same lines as these guys. moderate to conservative.

http://www.house.gov/ross/BlueDogs/

K."

THIS IS A DEMOCRAT PEOPLE. WTF????????????

Full quotes are only parts verbatom and I wish I could go more into detail with full disclosures of all correspondence, but some of this would be personal. Please forgive my spelling or English in general if I messed up.
:wtf: :dilemma: :shrug:

[Naturyl]

1. He's no Democrat, regardless of what he thinks

And he's no friend to you with that kind of garbage spilling out of his mouth.

Don't play into his talking points. You don't have to defend yourself from him. He's the one who has to defend his own greed and indifference, and he knows it. That's why he's trying to put you on the defensive.

[FREEWILL56]

2. I agree about him and I want nothing to do with him now.

He does have his registration as Democrat and this is the nature of my post/rant as it seems more widespread than it should be. My own mother and brother are the same way and I don't talk much to them anymore. This is a problem in my opinion as many have been swayed to the right it would seem.
BTW Welcome to DU and seeing as you or some others may not know what a DINO is, it means Democrat In Name Only.

[Naturyl]

5. Yep, I know

That's what I was trying to say. A DINO is no Democrat, because "in name only" is not enough.

Thanks for the welcome, and good luck with these people. I know they are frustrating.

[cyclezealot]

3. Little different from Republicans.

[FREEWILL56]

7. Would you care to elaborate more of your meaning here?

I would think i know where a republican is coming from, but when a Democrat is that far right as any typical republican usually is and manages to keep that a secret from a friend, that shows a dishonesty that even the republican mainstream has had trouble keeping. I would think you mean that difference is worse than most other people of either party?

[cyclezealot]

11. Corporate Democrats/ Corporate Republicans

All the same. Go with the corporate free trade agenda , along with a near religous frenzy over the total perfection of the magic of the free market. The big plus. They get their campaign cash from the same sources as to the Repugs.

[Stargazer99]

4. You now see the perfect illustration of a conservative Republican

Most of them have had a break or a hand up and know very little about real honest struggle to survive in this system. One truth about the stock market: some one has to lose as someone wins. I perfer the win/win method...something that hardly ever passes the conservative mind.

[Skidmore]

6. You know that question on every Zogby poll...

"Do you consider yourself a member of the investor class?"

I have never seen them publish the results of that question, but I always answer "no" in spite of the fact that part of my vested retirement plan in in stocks and bonds. I'm not a member of the investor class, I'm a member of the working class. My parents never even owned stock. The most they had was a paid up term life insurance policy to cover the small amount of debt they left and to cover their burial expenses. Your friend sees himself as a wheeler and dealer--an investor first. I imagine he would answer "yes" to that poll question.

[FREEWILL56]

8. I would not consider a Democrat to invest in some stocks

and such as unusual. It just usually is not very large as in to not have to work for the rest of your life and many of us not able to do it at all. I don't remember exactly how long he has in the work force, but I believe it's under 5 years and was after his mother had died he stopped working. His father did later become somewhat bad healthwise and was until his death so I never said a word of his not working then and never cared until his comments to me recently. I wonder if his father would approve of how is son turned out and yes I knew him enough to say, no. He was no prude and treated people nicely without prejudice or uppityness and of course he was a Democrat and was also unfortunate in having to have been forced to be in hitler's army as many were. I never asked too much about it and he was ashamed of it, but had to do what he had to do to survive hitler and his evil as he had told me. Maybe I got him wrong too now that I think of it. I have though wondered if he would approve of the monster his son turned out to be. There is a pun in this too that I can't reveal without revealing his name, but it has to do with hot dogs and beer.

[Skidmore]

9. I think the singular accomplishment of the 1990s was to convince

people that they could now join the upper class by becoming investors in the stock market and letting others do the hands-on labor through outsourcing. It was not blatant at first. Remember when the most popular teevee program was "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous"? People began to imitate these lifestyles and change their purchasing habits to mimic them. When * told everyone that shopping was the appropriate response to an attack on our nation, the groundwork had been laid and it was easy for people to shift into overdrive. The expectation is that citizens of this nation can have it all without having to give anything up. If you experience a setback, print more money, cook the numbers, or just plain lie. Above all, don't acknowledge the truth, but demand "good news" and if the truth persists to be ugly, blame the victim.

[FREEWILL56]

10. I appreciate the replies and input being given on the specific friend,

but this is more about DINOs and I think we need to get back to and remind people what it is to be a Democratic party member. We see the likes of my friend in the example I gave and I see others in our government that claim to be Democratic and let's face it, they seem to be anything but. Thoughts here on what a Democrat is or is not? I'm bad at spellin so I kept going back to change some afterwards. Sorry.