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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 07:43 PM
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When does the whole thing collapse?
Two thirds of our economy is consumer driven. We have four dollar a gallon gas on the horizon. The Euro is King and our dollar is now worth less than the Canadian loony. The Middle Class is almost extinct. Forty Million or so people with out Health Care.
The point I am trying to make is when will we reach the Boston Tea Party scenario? What will tip this country over the edge and make people wake up? I am starting to think nothing will make this lazy, pathetic, excuse for a country wake up!
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 07:45 PM
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1. Don't forget...that common goods like food and other
necessities are going through the roof....the value of the dollar is sinking lower and lower...
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 07:47 PM
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2. I know Maddie that's what I am talking about, When will this Country wake up.
Edited on Wed Nov-07-07 07:48 PM by sarcasmo
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 07:55 PM
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When it crashes...and then everyone will be shocked...just
shocked...

Condi and * Cabal will say they didn't see it coming....

No the country is getting ready to correct itself....and it's going to be very, very bad.

Will we see debtors prisons in the next year or so?

Will we see the housing market completely collapse?

Will we see the deflation or inflation of the dollar?

Will we all of the foreign investors come together and decide to raise the intrest rate on all of the US borrowed money?

Yea we are headed for a shit storm and our government is so dysfunctional at this point that it will not be able to head of the storm.

In order for America to make it through...there must be serious consequences to those that perpetuated the fraud of the Iraq War and theft of the American tax payer dollars. ALL individuals who have committed Treason, War Profiteers and any other traitors to the Constitution must be prosecuted. If found guilty I say they suffer the same fate and consequences as the Rosenbergs.
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 07:57 PM
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11. How much money does Cheney have in Dubai?
Bush in South America? It's like they want it to collapse.
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 10:44 AM
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45. Perhaps, they do.
What better way to create the environment necessary to march a country into a world war?

:shrug:
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JohnnyBoots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 08:59 AM
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40. I do know that they will blame it on the Democrats. n/t
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 08:04 PM
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14. It will begin with the first gas or heating oil shortages
Late winter/spring 08 are starting to look problematic.
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 10:48 PM
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34. It's NOT gonna "wake up".....it's going to be 'shocked' into accepting MORE social change.....
"Shocked" in the sense that someone, something PUNCHES you in the face and while you are trying to recover, has sold the very ground that you have stood upon. It turns a self-sufficient independent fisherman into a waiter (if he's lucky) at a high priced hotel!....and how many 'good' waiters does the (1%) need anyway? Not that being a waiter is 'preferable' to being an independent/self-sufficient fisherman/business-owner :mad: :mad: :mad:

What happened on Septemer 11, 2001 SHOCKED us into ACCEPTING radical social change. The fire at the Reichstag effected social change back in 1934. (psychologists please chime in here, b/c you have a lot to offer as we individuals try to combat these psychological games)

Do you want to be enlightened as to what's going on? Read this:

Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0805079831/ref=sib_dp_p...
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 06:38 AM
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37. As long as the TV's on and the beer's cold, ain't nobody waking up. (NT)
Edited on Thu Nov-08-07 06:38 AM by Tesha
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 07:47 PM
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3. Since Kucinich Made His Bid, and Wexler Raised
I'd say pretty soon. Nothing less than the end of life as we know brought us to this momentous event.
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 07:48 PM
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4. This is a nation of lemmings
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemming

Due to their association with this odd behaviour, lemming suicide is a frequently-used metaphor in reference to people who go along unquestioningly with popular opinion, with potentially dangerous or fatal consequences. This is the theme of the video game Lemmings, where the player attempts to save the mindlessly marching rodents from walking to their deaths.

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Mike03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 07:49 PM
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5. I'm with you... For more than three years I have been waiting
for the floor to collapse. It is taking forever. But the good news is that those people who know this is coming had plenty of time to prepare. We should probably be grateful if possible rather than impatient. The longer the implosion takes, the more we can prepare in whatever ways we feel are necessary and solidify our positions.
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greyghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 07:49 PM
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6. I've been asking the same...
question for the past few months.

My best guess is, during a LONG COLD winter.


I really believe that it will be sooner, not later.
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 07:52 PM
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8. At least I am not the only one thinking about the collapse.
I fear five dollars a gallon maybe the tipping point, I can't figure this lazy country.
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Fed_Up_Grammy Donating Member (923 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 08:44 PM
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25. What do you mean,"lazy country". I have no idea what
you are talking about.
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 09:07 PM
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28. The one in which we live.
Edited on Wed Nov-07-07 09:10 PM by BleedingHeartPatriot
Welcome to DU, I've seen several of your posts, you seem to be on the attack quite a bit.
MKJ

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Fed_Up_Grammy Donating Member (923 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 09:12 PM
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30. Nasty mood. I hate whining and love activism. Not much activism
around these days.
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Shanti Mama Donating Member (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 09:35 PM
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31. i agree.
Lots of whining. Not that I'm a shining example of proactive participation, but...
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 08:31 PM
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54. The kind of Activism Obama claims we should get away from?
I can't believe he attacked Hillary on her activism of the 60's.

I am not voting for him, haven't decided on her but seriously what the hell was he thinking?
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Mike03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 07:52 PM
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7. Something I heard today on Financial News Network:
Even though most people believe a recession is imminent, they are not going to let that stop them from spending at least a thousand dollars during the holiday season.

How is that for logic and responsibility?

And then all of their Adjustible Rate Mortgages are going to recalibrate between January and May, when they are trying to pay off their maxed credit card bills.

Insanity.
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 07:56 PM
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10. When Citibank can't make a profit the house of cards is ready to crumble.
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greyghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 08:06 PM
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15. My best friend has been with...
Visa for years.

All I can say is, be afraid, be VERY afraid.

They know it's coming but even they don't know how bad is it going to be.
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 07:55 PM
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9. I've Been Thinking
the exact same thing.
It just keeps going on and on and most people I see out in Public seem to be asleep or something.
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 07:58 PM
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12. Brainwashed by Consumerism.
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 08:09 PM
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18. That's Right
which is also brainwashed by the Corporations that rule this Country.
Rampant Capitalism gone amok. :(
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 08:10 PM
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20. We no longer make anything but purchase everything.
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Mike03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 08:18 PM
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23. That is the crux of the matter.
We have gone from being the world's greatest creditor nation to being the world's greatest debtor nation.

We owe so much to so many other countries that we are at their mercy; this is why the announcement that China is sick and tired of holding U.S. denominated equities could spell disaster for our economy.

This is very, very serious, and it's so nice to see some posts like yours about how dire our situation truly is.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 08:03 PM
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13. I think it already has
Those who lack the curiosity or the initiative to be aware of it just haven't found out yet. The librul media is certainly not doing anything to inform anyone about it and most amurkins learn everything they need to know from the MSM news. I think there will be a big reaction when people who've spent their whole lives in the middle class begin to be treated like they formerly treated the poor. When white and blue collar employees have to go on the dole with no prospect of regaining their former status, you may see a revolution. But what can be done? The country has lost its industrial base. We've lost our financial edge on the rest of the world and those that have the upper hand now are not about to give it back to us. We lack the initiative to do anything about it.
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 08:08 PM
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17. I think we are close to collapse, about two thirds of the way.
Once the Credit Card market feels the pinch that the A.R.M's did to the Mortgage industry the house of Cards will crumble, or should I say the house of Credit Cards.
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 08:06 PM
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16. The precipice is nearing
I don't know when, but the collective you-know-what is about to hit the fan. Could be the worst Republican economy ever.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 08:09 PM
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19. 3 or 4 years ago.
If you take your cues from DU's perpetual doom and gloomers.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 08:11 PM
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21. Maybe a "Texas Tea" party? n/t
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 05:58 AM
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36. More like a Texas lynching
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 10:36 AM
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43. that sounds more like it.
maybe we have to hit rock bottom and then we have will no choice to crawl out of our holes. Sad very sad that things have become like this, our first priority is to push for Impeachment, before we have even more blood on our hands.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 08:15 PM
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22. Hey there
:hi:

Haven't seen ya lately
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 02:48 AM
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35. Trying to make a buck with twelve hours shifts, it sucks, but I am a working stiff.
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 08:22 PM
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24. maybe without new teevee
the sheeple might start to notice stuff outside of the boob tube.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 08:48 PM
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26. my bets... before the November election
the trends are way, and i mean this WAAYYYY too seriious to hold off, as they probably hoping it does

Oh and add to your list, the credit crunch... a prime component of the 1929 great depression\crash
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 08:52 PM
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27. You will know the end is near when you hear
a high-profile right-wing conservative religious leader endorse a 2008 pro-choice Presidential candidate.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 09:38 PM
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32. SHIT, that happened today
:-)
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 09:08 PM
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29. I'm already thinking about how we'll turn it around.
I think it's smart to live in the future, to a certain extent. This is why I am so concerned about population. I was already in the global warming mindset over two decades ago.

I think we will skip over the Tea Party, and get right to work. Battery research. Photovoltaic mass production. A new infrastructure that allows people to get around on bikes. Fast decline in population. Although that last one is a very big hurdle. People have the right to reproduce. Even if it kills us all.

In a word- leadership. But more than that. We leading ourselves. It all stems from high level education. The country with the highest level of education is going to be the most healthy.

Onward! No more jails. Let's start treating teachers like kings.
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sjdnb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 09:47 PM
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33. We've been pwn'd as my daughter would say
Edited on Wed Nov-07-07 09:51 PM by sjdnb
The days of protest, revolution, or otherwise giving a sh*t are over for the foreseeable future.

Americans will essentially be serfs for the ultra-wealthy, gathering up crumbs at the local Walmart whenever they can, and will be made to feel guilty/greedy/"looking for handouts" for hoping to attain anything more.

But, many have brought this upon themselves -- bust those greedy, worker supporting, unions - even though they are the most productive in the world; don't expect the wealthy to pay their fair share of taxes - why should they? they must be better/smarter than us -- after all, they are WEALTHY!; in other words, you took the bait -- hook, line, and sinker. Well, you're sunk - now deal with it.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 07:21 AM
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38. My guess is next year will be pretty bad.
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 08:38 AM
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39. It's coming. I would say, not sure of the event though, when significant numbers of Americans go
some serious discomfort. It will most likely be due to energy or credit.
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NoFederales Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 09:22 AM
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41. Until amurikans lose friday night football and all that fab boob tube
reality-produce there's no reason to believe that the majority of people notice anything else. Fuck! they're like children; adults take care of stodgy things like running the country?--no NEED to worry, dude.

You ever think about that appellation "SwiftBoat"? It seems perverted, but I think the people who care are us, and we're in that boat, in horribly turbid waters called the Sea of Neglect, and no one will know or care if we drown.

NoFederales
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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 10:23 AM
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42. When the collapse comes it's going to be fast
We've got the board set higher fuel and food prices, tighter credit, implosion of the money market, it's not going to take much of a shove to get the ball rolling. I'd keep a weather eye on next march and do what you can now to prepare for it, lay in as good a supply of non perishables as you can.
This winter is going to be a hard one to get through, especially if it turns cold and nasty, people won't be in a very forgiving mood next spring.
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bikebloke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 10:40 AM
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44. Thinking the same.
Earlier in the week I was looking at a photo essay on the 90th anniversary of the Russian Revolution in the Sueddeutsche Zeitung. I was wondering when something like that would occur here.

*Unfortunately, I can't find a link. It must have been discontinued or hidden.
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windoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 10:44 AM
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46. MSM would never inform us.
the crash will not be televised, that's for sure.
I think it is good to be prepared, it is how I am dealing with this.
I am looking into alternative energy sources, local wind power.
Unfortunately there are not too many biofuel stations in our area (DC area)
I need to insulate, plant some seeds and fruit/nut trees.
Learning herbal and alternative medicine
Have plans for power and communication blackouts
Have never been a doom & gloom person, just a realist. I agree, the house of cards seems to be in a slow motion fall.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 10:49 AM
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47. June 26, 2253
June 26, 2253.


"I am starting to think nothing will make this lazy, pathetic, excuse for a country wake up!"

As long as I-pods and gaming consoles keep their fans in a state of perpetual trances, tuned out of the here and now, there's no waking up.

And as long as there's enough electricity to keep the I-pods and gaming consoles charged up, there's no reason to think the perpetual trance will end.

Lines for a game three blocks long. Tuning out for an entire weekend playing Halo. Spending hours through the evening surfing the internet and downloading tunes. That's where our priorities are.

We have met the enemy. And he is us...

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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 11:07 AM
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48. I keep saying that when beer gets to expensive to buy - hell will happen


nt
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greyghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 02:46 PM
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49. "Fat, drunk and stupid is...
no way to go through life son." Dean Wormer was definitely on to something.

Between the pharmaceutical anti-depressants and the free flowing alcohol the majority remains comfortably numb. Not to mention all the street drugs that are available.

Shortages of gasoline, heating oil, etc. will go along way in waking up the "silent" majority.

I've been enjoying watching the MSM hacks trying to put a happy face on
the Wall Street implosion. ;)
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 02:48 PM
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50. I know it's evil to wish bad stuff on people, but, I hope lots of Republicans lose their shirts
and everything else they own.
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greyghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 02:51 PM
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53. If that happens I'll...
have to rethink my stance on God.

However, that would be a small price to pay to see them get their just deserts.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 02:50 PM
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51. I've been thinking that a lot of people have spent years doing without or making do
Edited on Thu Nov-08-07 02:52 PM by TheGoldenRule
that the increasing bad economy isn't going to effect them as it will those who are keeping up with the Jones, living in McMansions, driving the latest SUV.

When those shallow people feel the pinch, that's when it's gonna come crashing down.

Then you will see The Great Depression 2. And the sh*t will hit the fan.

For the rest of us, it's the same old same old. :(
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 02:51 PM
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52. When it runs out of gas and it's credit cards are refused.
Which seems to be happening.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 08:32 PM
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55. I think it's more like a sleep deprived, stressed out and strapped
excuse for a country. :shrug:
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