Cheney Impeachment not dead.

[tekisui]

We should call the repubs and thank them for pushing the Dems to vote the Impeachment resolution back into committee, rather than killing it outright.

Sure, I know it may flounder and die a slow death in committee, but not necessarily. Kuncinich can bring it up again, or the committee could take a second look at it. It is now a bill that has been refereed to a committee by a majority in Congress, not just DK and his 21.

I think the pubs stunt was foolish. They could have killed it, but they forced the second vote. Ole' dickie's due to stick another major fork in the Nations eye. John Conyers just needs an fresh opening, fueled by a larger group of people. The ball may be slowly rolling. I found it interesting what Conyers said.

Conyers on Monday said that moving forward with impeachment was not in the best interests of Nancy Pelosi .

"If she were to let this thing out of the box," said Conyers, "considering the number of legislative issues we have pending ... it could create a split that could effect our productivity for the rest of the Congress."

It's not in Pelosi's interest. It seems like a split from Pelosi. He called her out, rather than saying its not in the interests of the Nation, Congress, or himself.

I will remain hopeful.

link: http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Kucinich_not_stopping_with_Cheney_plans_1106.html

[madokie]

1. same here, I will remain hopeful

[onenote]

2. I'm curious why you think it makes a difference that the bill was referred by a majority vote?

A referral is a referral. DK's first bill was referred to Judiciary by the Speaker, with the advice of the Parliamentarian, based on the subject matter of the bill and the jurisdiction of the committee. DK's second resolution was referred to the same committee, only because of the procedure involved, a vote of the House was necessary. The fact that a majority voted to stick it back in Committee rather than debate it and vote on it doesn't suggest to me that it is in a stronger position. If anything, it would appear to be in a weaker position.

[tekisui]

3. I was hoping it would carry more weight.

I guess a referral is a refuel, and the path it takes is irrelevant. Does it get re-read and processed anew?

I am also wondering if their are two bills now. H. Res. 333 and the one from yesterday H. Res. 799?

They both appear on THOMAS, are they both active?

[onenote]

13. yes, there are now two separate resolutions

Ultimately, however, neither has a chance of moving. If anything was to move, it would almost certainly be a new resolution that followed the more traditional, historical path: a resolution that charged the Judiciary COmmittee with the task of conducting an impeachment inquiry and reporting back to the full House with recommendations for action (or inaction) on articles of impeachment.

There is no way that DK's rambling articles will ever be the basis for an actual impeachment vote.

Here is the language of the resolution that was passed to start the Nixon impeachment:
This is the text of HR803:

"RESOLVED, That the Committee on the Judiciary acting as a whole or by any subcommittee thereof appointed by the Chairman for the purposes hereof and in accordance with the Rules of the Committee, is authorized and directed to investigate fully and completely whether sufficient grounds exist for the House of Representatives to exercise its constitutional power to impeach Richard M. Nixon, President of the United States of America. The committee shall report to the House of Representatives such resolutions, articles of impeachment, or other recommendations as it deems proper."


The resolution commencing the Clinton impeachment is quite similar, although it contains additional language relating to subpoena power and procedures for the inquiry (which I would expect to see in any new resolution seeking to commence impeachment proceedings against chimpy or cheney).
http://thomas.loc.gov/home/hres581.html

And here are links to the articles of impeachment that the Judiciary Committee came up with and approved in the Nixon and Clinton cases (the full House, of course, never got a chance to vote on these articles because Nixon resigned). I would expect formal articles to read more like these read than DK's less formal approach.
http://www.watergate.info/impeachment/impeachment-articles.shtml
http://www.lib.umich.edu/govdocs/text/hres611r.txt

[H2O Man]

4. The progressive

grass roots effort to impeach VP Cheney is stronger today than it was 24 hours ago. The forces that are opposed to holding Cheney responsible for his crimes and abuses of power will, of course, try to spin yesterday's events into a loss for democrats and especially Kucinich. Don't believe them.

[cali]

5. The worst repuke pigs in the House voted not to table

and their motives were vile. Sew my lips shut if i ever get close to thanking the likes of Bob Goodlatte or Boehner.

I'll try and stay hopeful about impeachment. Mostly I hope to see more leaked evidence that might influence Conyers.

[tekisui]

7. More evidence is bound to come.

I thnk Conyers wants to and is waiting for a go.

[nancyharris]

8. Vile Motives??

Congressman Kucinich and the co-sponsors voted WITH the Republicans to not table the resolution.

[cali]

11. you don't really think the repukes were voting with Dennis

because they had any interest in seeing Cheney impeached, do you? I suggest you look at which repukes voted with Dennis. It was simply a move to try and put the dem leadership in a bad place. And they partially succeeded.

[fasttense]

6. My, my, my, we have a huge fringe element of anti-war activists.

"Republicans gleefully said they wanted the debate to show the public how many Democrats would actually support impeaching Cheney, which they consider a move supported only by a fringe element of anti-war activists," reports the Washington Post."

"A polling firm found a majority of Americans supporting impeachment of the Vice President. American Research Group, in a poll of 1,100 respondents taken from July 3-5, found that 54% of Americans favored impeachment. Only 17% of Republicans in the poll favored the impeachment of Cheney, while 76% of Democrats supported the move in the House of Representatives. However, of independents polled, a slight majority of 51%, also supported impeaching the Vice President."

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Threepart_case_for_Cheneys_impeachment_made_0706.html

Fifty-four percent can NOT be called a fringe element. Let's all chuckle over the silly little idea of Impeaching the war criminal called Dick. We will just marginalize the opinions of 54% of Americans.

[Atman]

9. The Republicans are so woefully out of touch with the American people

Over on The Site That Shall Not Be Mentioned they've had a great time with my post from yesterday wherein I pointed out that the American people cannot stand Cheney, and may indeed be happy to see this bill advance. They actually think Cheney is a warm, caring man beloved by Americans. One called him "like a kind granpa" and another said he was the best VP he could recall, ever, because he was so caring. It's totally surreal.

The Republicans appear to be putting their money on idea that because they got hammered for impeaching Clinton, Democrats will be similarly hammered for trying to remove Cheney (as do, apparently, Hoyer, Reid and Pelosi). But they leave out one very, very important aspect of the equation: Clinton had a 62% approval rating, and was considered a popular president who gave us a booming economy, while Cheney is regarded as being a mean, secretive prick who has ripped off the country and brought us to war, garnering himself a near single-digit approval rating in the process, historically low if not unprecedented!

Of course, maybe they know Cheney is in his lair as we speak, devising evil schemes with which to blackmail every member who votes against him. He really is an exceptionally evil, reviled man, regardless of what six nut-job sub-freepers on a minimally-trafficked extremist message board think.

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[lonestarnot]

10. Tee hee hee! Excellent. More reports I'm hearing on MSM this a.m.

Loving every fucking second of it! GO DENNIS! :applause: :bounce: :patriot:

[Me.]

12. Impeachment & Cheney

2 words that need to be said over and over. The repubkicons have forgotten their playbook. Anything repeated over and over becomes so. They just helped us. I believe they will come to rue the day they tried to 'play a joke'. Yesterday made it impossible for the conversation to be avoided. Is that what they really wanted?