The real reason the right denies global warming.........

[BlackVelvet04]

A simple investigation into environmental policy in the Sierra Nevadas turned out to be a far bigger story: Bush’s environmental policy is being driven by biblical fundamentalists who believe exhausting natural resources will hasten the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.



It began as a simple investigation into environmental policy in the Sierra Nevadas. But what journalist Stephenie Hendricks uncovered turned out to be a far bigger story, the ramifications of which affect the entire globe. Hendricks discovered that the development of American environmental policy in the Bush administration is being driven by Dominion Theologists-far-right Christian ideologues who believe that by exhausting our natural resources they will hasten the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.

Known in policy circles as the wise-use doctrine, the theory is startling enough in implication, but even more chilling in practice-some officials say the Bush administration did not sign the Kyoto Accord on fighting global warming because it was against God’s prophecies.
http://www.outtherabbithole.com/category/dominionists/
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There is a link to an interview with the author, Stephenie Hendricks, at the above link.


When you couple this information with the fact that Blackwater is aligned with the dominionists it's enough to give you nightmares.
http://ballistichelmet.org/dvanhorn/2007/02/16/dominionists-and-the-rise-of-fascism/


So, yes, I will vote for whatever Democrat wins the nomination as having a Democrat as president is, IMO,our last hope to turn the tide.

[Quantess]

1. This looks good.

I'm bookmarking this one.

[DefenseLawyer]

2. Well the REAL reason the almighty dollar

but I'm not surprised that the republican masses have been tricked into thinking it is God's will.

[BlackVelvet04]

7. I'm not sure that for many of these people that it is the almighty

dollar. Greed would at least that would be a halfway sane reason but what we are dealing with are insane self-righteous fanatics which is far more dangerous than greedy assholes.

[DefenseLawyer]

14. The religious nuts are true believers, for the most part

I'm not saying they are insincere, only that they are being used by those that at their core are motivated by profit.

[Canuckistanian]

26. Hey, if you can make a buck off Armageddon

What's the harm?

[DefenseLawyer]

38. Well the buck is being made off the raping of the planet, not Armageddon

The trick is to convince the religious right to essentially be against their own interests and support corporate interests. Now their aren't going to say, "You should support the wrecking of the planet because it is good for our short term profits." That dog won't hunt. But, if you can say "The Bible says the sooner our resources are depleted the sooner Jesus comes", well now you are on to something. Suddenly you have people supporting strip mining, logging and big oil in the name of God. It's a pretty good trick actually, unfortunately not without harm to the rest of us.

[Dulcinea]

47. It's all about the bottom line.

Going "green" costs money, affects stock prices, & cuts into profits. But it's easier to sell the religious argument to the Repub masses.

As always, follow the money.

[Danger Mouse]

3. What these numbskulls don't get...

is that God WANTS us to be stewards of the earth (for those of us that are believers)...and trying to hasten the coming of Jesus is blasphemous and insulting. You think Jesus will show up when YOU want him to? Morons. If he does show up, you won't be happy, because he won't be the same greedy, hate-filled, facist bigot that you are.
But keep up with that, repuke fundie nitwits...I'm sure God just LOVES the sight of you destroying the planet He made FOR US in order to try and force biblical prophecy to happen sooner...
ugh, the levels on which this is stupid, insulting, ignorant, dangerous, and just plain insane make me want to :banghead:
In closing: DON'T DOOM THE REST OF US TO DIE JUST BECAUSE OF YOUR EVIL-MINDED WHACKO RELIGIOUS BELIEFS.

[fizzgig]

4. ...

:applause:

i am so sick of their arrogance that god will acquiesce to their sick, destructive bullshit

[Danger Mouse]

10. it makes me so mad sometimes...

...sigh

[BlackVelvet04]

5. I personally find it mindboggling that

anyone who calls themselves a Christian falls for this crap but unfortunately they do. It certainly is not a Biblical point of view and I can only believe that these people are mentally ill. I live in the Bible belt and I hear this crap on almost a daily basis.

[Danger Mouse]

8. i don't understand how a lot of 'christians' can justify to themselves what they do...

and how they treat others.
it is pitiful, it is shameful, and it disgraces the christian faith.

[greyl]

6. Actually, I think your view is probably the other side of the same counterfeit coin.

It sounds a lot like "God made the Earth for humans to conquer and rule", to me.

[Danger Mouse]

9. i don't believe that at all.

by for us, i mean for everyone.
animals, plants, people, we all live here, we all share it...and those of us that can (ie, people) need to take care of it.

[greyl]

15. It was the "God WANTS us to be stewards of the earth", not the parenthetical.

Do you suppose the community of life on Earth was struggling to make it through all those millions of years without human stewardship before we came along, as Divinely Appointed Stewards? ;)
I want to make it clear that your side of the coin is way better than the other Fundy side, but that to my eyes they do both share a dangerous core myth. Humans are the pinnacle of creation/evolution - it was all leading up to the final result of us.

[Danger Mouse]

18. of course not. but humans have a negative impact on the earth.

now that we're here, it's up to us to correct the problems we cause and protect the only home we have.
i don't know that we're the 'pinnacle' of anything.
i'd be interested to see where we could go from here, if there is more evolving for us to do. who knows?

[greyl]

19. When you say "humans have a negative impact on the earth", do you mean humanity at large?

Do you mean biological humans which have been around for a few million years, or are you really talking about a particular globalized brand of human culture that happens to be steadily devouring the others(encouraged by blessings like Manifest Destiny)?

[Danger Mouse]

31. I mean humans responsible for the current consumptions (us), the Industrial Revolution, and all of

that jazz.

[HamdenRice]

48. WTF? "biological humans which have been around for a few million years"???

1. Humans have been around for somewhere between 100,000 and 200,000 years not "a few million years."

2. There is no single "particular globalized brand of human culture."

[BlackVelvet04]

11. Being a steward is not the same as conquering and ruling..

in my opinion it is more a caretaker position.

[greyl]

17. What Earthly problems did God create humans to take care of? nt

[Stargazer99]

21. We are the problem.....and the Good Book told us to

care for creation, not destroy it. What an insult to the enitity that created all this to destroy it.

[greyl]

27. If you interpret the so-called Good Book that way, more power to you.

But, good luck dealing with those who revere the many Bible pages devoted to illustrating how the destruction of creation can be an acceptable way to mete out divine justice. ;)

edit: Where did you get the idea that humans are the problem? The Good Book?

[BlackVelvet04]

36. What are you talking about?

I didn't say God made humans to take care of any problems.

[OHdem10]

12. Follow the Money---It is always the Money and Corporate

Interests.

To effectively deal with the problems of Global Warming is
going to cost money. The GOP sees this as meaning "raising
taxes" . They surely cannot have their Corporate Interests
held accountable in any way shape or form for anu polution.

Therefore kill the messenger. We do not believe the Message.
This solves their problem.

[lvx35]

24. Yes, its the MONEY. The idea that Christian fundamentalists are behind it is nonsense.

Real fundies who believe it are poor and really uneducated. The people who drive these campaigns are rich and extremely cunning and intelligent, and unafraid to represent themselves as fundies or whatever else works to their advantage.

I mean I've heard this "Jesus will wipe our ass if enough shit piles up on it" theology from fundies, but they are NEVER the folks in power. I have never meet a fundy in power who wasn't faking it like Ted Haggard...Do you think he really thought he was going to hell for his gay adventures? Do you think any of them do?

[BlackVelvet04]

13. What the big question is, how do we stop them?

I think the book American Fascists: the Christian Right and War on America addresses that issue. I haven't read it yet but I'm going to.

[HowHasItComeToThis]

16. THESE DOMINION DUDES ARE SCARY IDEALOGS

I'M REC 4, WHO IS FIVE

[Shoelace]

20. there are ways to deal with these people

infiltrate them! Be a God fearing Christian, adopt that which is truth about the Christian doctrine (there's some truth in all belief systems) and get in there and boldly hold that is the teachings of the Bible to be good stewards of the Earth.

We cannot any longer just ignore these people, we need to get into their hearts and souls and try to teach them with grace and love how wrong it is to trash their/our Kingdom.

Ok, it's a sabotage of sorts - but we do it for life and our children and all critters great and small.

Don't hate them - join in and pray with them.......sort of a zen thing but be one with them such that they or some of them will have eyes to see and ears to hear.
It's my "white ops" de jour. If all else fails, we will start a new religion - why the hell not???

[lvx35]

25. Awesome post.

That's exactly the kind of thing it takes.

[Kazak]

33. My FiL, before he passed,...

always encouraged me to do the same thing! He'd say dress like a conservative, join conservative groups, and then talk sense to them. However, I don't think I have the stomach for it... :shrug:

[undergroundpanther]

41. Because

Their religion hurts your mind.
I was in the thick of it and it was because they took advantage of my psychological vulnerability at the time..and the psychological things I was subjected to from these people traumatized me.BTW They do not WANT to reason with anyone who does NOT share their views.They don't want wisdom they want CERTAINTY and if you cannot give them more certainty they will see right through your ruse and shun you.They have already made up their minds they obey the leader it is in their very personality to be that way. They don't want to think or to see change they fear it worse than death,they hate equality,they want simple certainty and dominion above all else.
This brand of christian is all about narcissism and certainty and grabbing self declared sovereignty and the game of masters and slaves.

[alittlelark]

22. My mother used that excuse for not recycling 10+ years ago

She believes that 'God' gave us just enough to make it to the rapture.

PS - she still refuses to recycle and keeps the bins in the garage.:evilfrown:

[sutz12]

23. I believe it is why they like war, too.

After all, that is the most consumptive, polluting, envoronment-destroying activity mankind engages in. :shrug:

[2008]

28. k&r (nt)

[DCKit]

29. Federalist Dominionist Republics

FDRs for short.


:crazy:

[earth mom]

30. I'm not surprised. The fundies are absolutely nutso. Is it time for the rapture yet?

:crazy:

[shadowknows69]

32. Even if the whole mythology turned out to be true

can you believe the absolute arrogance of thinking you could hasten the creator's master plan when I believe their good book said something to the effect of "no man shall know the hour". Wouldn't the pride and hubris required to think you know better than Jesus when he should return be enough to send the lot of them to that hell that they're always wishing on us heretics?

[info being]

35. See they don't actually believe they are "doing it"

They just get erections when they see things falling apart cuz they think it's a sign from God. So, in other words, disasters of all kinds make them feel good cuz the rapture is nearer. It isn't intentional cause and effect, cuz they can't comprehend cause and effect anyway.

[BlackVelvet04]

39. You're absolutely correct that it is extreme arrogance.....

and is indicative of how little they know about the New Testament.

[info being]

34. It's true that they want to destroy global stability to bring back Jesus

My parents are part of this movement.

[ThatsMyBarack]

37. "Everything I ever need to know...."

"....I learned at Jesus Camp!" say these fundie nutjobs! :crazy:

[undergroundpanther]

40. I wish

Every fundamentalist church that seeks to control environmental or foreign policy by listening to voices in their heads or by their damn religious beliefs should be barred from ever entering politics and power totally. Yeah that sounds bigoted but authoritarianism which fundamentalism depends on is ANTI democratic ..Church and state as well as state and corporations( as in corporations controlling us and the state via the state by lobbyists and backroom deals.. as a one way wall and fence to limit corporate power) Needs to be made nonbreakable so.
Fundamentalist zealot authoritarians and their blind followers are not democratic people their personalities cannot handle EQUALITY,diversity, freedom or democracy if they exist alongside people they cannot dominate or bully into being just like them.
Authoritarians and their slavish followers are ANTI DEMOCRATIC and their personalities go against the spirit in which this country was made, so they must be recognized for the fact they are not equipped to be fair,empathic..Nor are they trustworthy. They are not able to negotiate, they are not,honest,law respecting. They are not competent people,They will not co exist with others without dominating fucking it up or causing strife..So these personalities the authoritarian, the psychopath, the narcissist,bullies and their enablers must be seen for the abusers of power and social dominator's they are, and they must for the sake of this nation be recognized for what they are by their actions,and the belief structures they use to justify authoritarianism be seen as the threat to democracy it IS,and they must be kept away from all social positions of power,forever.

[BlackVelvet04]

43. Unfortunately it would be unconstitutional. n/t

[Uncle Joe]

42. This reminds me of that cult in California that poisoned them selves

believing a space ship was coming to get them, only this is seems to be national policy.

[kineneb]

44. I have to question whether they actually read the Bible,

or are they doing the usual "cherrypicking" of verses?

I seem to recall that Jesus tells his followers that they will not know when he will return.

[K8-EEE]

45. In my experience religious people who simply cannot conceive

of environmental danger. It's like they really think there's some invisible dude at a control board upstairs and we can just spew whatever garbage we want, no worries! "Natural cycles" won't be affected by any of this crap because....well I never really understand the "because" but I assume it's something like "weather is God's big wooden spoon and he's gonna bop us with it or, or not, depending on if we piss him off."

[Quantess]

46. It's very simplistic thinking, isn't it?

I almost hesitate to say so, because I don't want to believe that people are dumb, and it feels sort of mean to say that people who think this way are dumb. It's the way they were raised, I suppose. But still, it's amazing that some people are so entrenched in this dogma that they buy it hook, line, and sinker.