CODEPINK Shows Senator Feinstein Waterboarding at CNN

[Hissyspit]

http://codepinkdc.blogspot.com/2007/11/codepink-shows-senator-feinstein.html

On Sunday, November 4, CODEPINK activists enacted a live waterboarding demonstration for Senator Feinstein as she entered CNN studios in Washington, D.C.

Video is here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x67246

http://codepinkdc.blogspot.com/2007/11/low-blow-from-di-fi.html

Saturday Senators Dianne Feinstein (CA) and Chuck Schumer (NY) parted from their Democratic party colleagues including the four Democratic candidates for President and instead sided with President Bush by announcing their support for former judge Michael B. Mukasey as United States Attorney General. The votes of Feinstein and Schumer would give Mukasey at least 11 yes votes on the 19 member Judiciary panel, sending his nomination to the full Senate.
In committee hearings, Judge Mukasey claimed ignorance about waterboarding. Obfuscating, he avoided a condemnation of this method of torture. In addition, he would not support granting habeas corpus to detained prisoners at Guantanamo, and suggested the President can ignore surveillance statutes in wartime, signally that his views mesh significantly with the administration's.

[flordehinojos]

1. did feinstein pull a bush? did she manage not to see the demonstration put out by CODE PINK on water

boarding? did she stop to see it? did she close her eyes, plug her ears, tape her mouth? will it make any difference to her? will she give CODE PINK AND THE REST OF THE WORLD the finger?!

[StClone]

3. Bush Synaptic Disconnect Syndrome

Even if it's torture it still isn't torture
Even if Iraq is the greatest military blunder it still a great achievement.
Even if poor kids are sick or dying, kids don't need no CHIPs

[fasttense]

2. Code Pink is such a great group. n/t

[cgrindley]

4. Codepink are such assclowns(nt)

[theHandpuppet]

5. OMG -- it must be!

The president of the "I'm for Joe!" Fan Club just showed up.

[ixion]

6. why, because they try and makes their points heard?

as opposed to so many other groups who don't have the guts.

While I believe that they're a bit dramatic, they really do a very good job of making sure they're points get press.

[Tesha]

13. No, because they make heard many points that *MANY* don't wish to have heard. (NT)

[ixion]

16. yeah... making a stink about torture and illegal invasions is so passe

:eyes:

[cgrindley]

21. No. Because they damage our credibility.

They turn off mainstream democratic voters. They are an embarrassment. They do not represent the Democratic Party. They actually disavow both parties. Supporting them is NOT a necessary thing to do on this site, and where they run counter to elected Democrats and to the election of Democrats, we must shout these idiots down. This site supports Democratic candidates, not people working against them.

[endarkenment]

22. What credibiliity?

Feinstein has no credibility on this issue. There is nothing to damage there.

[cgrindley]

25. Do you want Democratic Candidates to win the elections or not?

Any support of codepink alienates us from the vast majority of voters.

[endarkenment]

26. Evidence for that assertion of yours?

"Any support of codepink alienates us from the vast majority of voters."
please provide evidence.

Do I support war criminals who happen to have a 'D' next to their name? no.

But if we are in question and answer mode, here is your question: are you in favor of the use of torture as an interrogation technique?

[cgrindley]

29. No, of course not. I think that Bush and pals ought to be packed off to

the Hague and put on trial for their crimes against humanity. I also think that any soldier who hasn't disobeyed orders on this front is also a war criminal.

I agree with all of codepink's points except for the Democratic Party being part of the problem... BUT...

it doesn't matter how much we agree with codepink. That support must NEVER be made public as it will lose votes.

Votes, right now, are the most important tool we have in getting rid of the Repukes. All other concerns are secondary.

[endarkenment]

30. And your evidence for that assertion?

"it doesn't matter how much we agree with codepink. That support must NEVER be made public as it will lose votes."

Still waiting.

So we should just keep quiet when fascist enablers like Feinstein vote for torture?

[cgrindley]

33. Well, two lost elections to start

and before you say anything, an election close enough for them to steal is an election lost.

[endarkenment]

36. Your assertion is now that Code Pink cost us two elections?

OK. Please provide any credible evidence for that at all, or admit that you are just making shit up.

[cgrindley]

37. I wasn't talking about code pink in that last post

I was talking about any mindless distraction away from the prize. Come on, surely you knew that and you're only trying to be difficult.

[endarkenment]

57. Ah of course, when you can't back up your idiocy, change the topic.

You specifically stated that code pink cost us votes and elections. 'fess up, you made that shit up and you cannot prove any of it.

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[cgrindley]

84. D'oh! It's been a hard day. I meant #30

my point still stands.

[walldude]

62. "It doesn't matter how much we agree"

"that support must never be made public." And there lies the problem in a nutshell. Never mind the fact that you are right, you shouldn't speak out against anything in public less we insult the "average voter". Well maybe the "average voter" needs to pull their head out of their ass, instead of me sticking mine up my ass.

[cgrindley]

64. Do you want to win the election or not?

it's a simple enough question.

[walldude]

69. Not at the cost of my beliefs and values no...

Once I sell out my principles any win is still a loss.

A simple answer.

[cgrindley]

70. Then great, looks like we're going to get Rudy (nt)

[walldude]

71. Well maybe you can hide all your beliefs and piss on

your principles and save us all... You never know.

[cgrindley]

72. I'm an alien, I can't vote

I'm relying on people such as yourself to vote me a Democratic president so I don't have to live under these assholes anymore.

[walldude]

73. And vote I will... But it's not going to keep me from

speaking my mind...

Alien? What planet? Welcome to Earth!

[John Q. Citizen]

52. If you believe the (D) behind a name trumps our constitution, that is your right.

I proudly support Code Pink.

You don't have to if you don't want to.

I believe too many elected officials currently placing a (d) behind their name are damaging the values and the ideals that made the Democratic Party my party of choice and registration since I was of voting age some 30 years ago.

Mrs. Senator Torture from CA and Mr Senator Torture of NY are damaging the good name and reputation of MY party.

That's my opinion.

[mark414]

87. i don't think the vast majority of voters have any idea what codepink is

[cgrindley]

91. They get major air time whenever they do something asinine

look at the bloody hands debacle. It was all over the news. It gave the retards over at Faux more than an easy target. We shouldn't be playing into their hands like that.

[robinlynne]

88. not feinstein.

[Forkboy]

44. If I was you I'd worry about your own first.

[Mojorabbit]

48. I'm a member of the local code pink

chapter and am honored to be called an embarrassment by you. It shows me we are doing a good job.

[ixion]

51. No, corrupt politicians and intellectually dishonest journalists do...

people who speak there mind certainly do not, IMO.

[Dukkha]

98. who's this "our" you're speaking of

you obviously don't have a shred of credibility or moral conscience yourself since you're so eager to embolden the enemy and attack us

[cgrindley]

100. Our = supporters of the progressive wing of the democratic party (nt)

[deutsey]

102. Oh, the Democrats do a fine job of damaging their credibility all by themselves.

:evilfrown:

[mmonk]

7. Well then, if America had more assclowns,

then maybe it wouldn't be in such bad shape. They seem very American to me in the sense of what we're supposed to be when threatened with tyranny.

[Hissyspit]

8. Wow. Your extensive and cogent analysis and logic have totally convinced me

and everyone else reading.

:eyes:

[Warren Stupidity]

10. Why do you post on DU? Why are you here?

[NNN0LHI]

12. I have my suspicions n/t

[cgrindley]

23. Can you read the site name? Does it say DEMOCRATIC?

Yes, it does, doesn't it.

Now think back to the past week and some of the crack that Codepink's been putting out. Clearly, Codepink does not represent nor support the Democratic Party. It considers both the Republicans and the Democrats to be a problem. That in itself means that I can say whatever the hell I want about Codepink on this site.

[uppityperson]

32. Can you read the site name? Does it say Support Democrats Unreservedly?

Does it say Accept Everything a Democrat Does? No, it doesn't, does it.

Most of us consider keeping the Democratic representatives on track a serious obligation. You can say whatever the hell you want about CodePink on this site, provided you follow DU rules.

[cgrindley]

66. And if they identify the Democratic party as a problem, then they can go

stuff themselves.

[uppityperson]

96. I identify that the Democratic party HAS a problem

now, you want to tell me to stuff it?

[cgrindley]

101. Okay (nt)

made you look.

[Hissyspit]

94. It also says UNDERGROUND

and the rules speak of PROGRESSIVE discussion.

[cgrindley]

99. How, exactly, is Codepink progressive?

everyone except for the Republicans are against torture. Almost everyone is against the Iraq War. What, precisely, are Codepink's "progressive" credentials beyond the utterly obvious?

[tekisui]

17. Schumer and Feinstein are the assclowns.

They claim to be leaders in the Democratic Party. Now, their true stripes are revealed. They are the clowns. Clowns for King Ass. They are throwing the party that is supposed to stand for civil rights, the opposition party, into support of torture. DiFi looked like a loyal bushie, acting like she was having such a serious conversation she couldn't even recognize the CodePinkers.

It is telling. She intentionally looked away from the simulated-simulated drowning. The same way she intentionally looks over Mukasey and his torturous master.

I wonder if they would vote differently if the subject had not been the quaint "waterboarding", but forced sodomy, rape or murder. Perhaps the response would be the same. "Rape is repugnant, but we can't say its torture." "Sure, murder is wrong, but if you need the information."

It is sick. Each person that supports or ALLOWS torture to be done in our name is worse than an assclown. They are traitors.

Those at CodePink are Heroes and Patriots.

Our country would be well served with more like them.

[cgrindley]

24. Are you out of your mind?

Shumer and Feinstein are doing more for us than those idiot codepink morons have ever done. All they've brought us is embarrassment and ridicule.

[tekisui]

56. They have done a lot for us.

But, this is a serious issue when we need the Democratic Party to stand up and say enough. We cannot take another step to wards accepting torture.

Voting for an Attorney General who can not say that water boarding is illegal is a deal breaker. The two of them must be out of their minds.

I applaud CodePink for standing up and putting it in their faces, since they can't seem to understand what they are supporting.

[AikidoSoul]

76. So which one are you?

Shumer or Feinstein?

[MLFerrell]

18. Ah! I see you've crawled back out from under your rock!

What was the catalyst? The end of daylight savings time?

[hootinholler]

28. I'm glad you brought that up!

What exactly *is* an assclown?

Seriously.

-Hoot

[Spazito]

31. Why? Did they (gasp) hang their washing outdoors and offend

you? If I remember correctly you found that a major offense so I am just trying to interpret your offense meter correctly.

[cgrindley]

38. Pretty much, yeah, they did.

the bloody hands with Rice thing--although fairly funny--makes people hate codepink and hate anyone connected with them.

[canadianbeaver]

45. Quit generalizing....I am a person...I don't hate Codepink....

If no one stands up to these enablers of war and crime...then they win...right now..they along with you it seems are trying your hardest to silence the dissent...

I may not always agree on the tactic..but the message is the same....NO WAR...NO MORE DEATHS FOR A LIE...

Keep it up Codepink....!!

[Spazito]

47. LOL, the only ones who "hate" Code Pink are those who know their

actions are effective and that scare the hell out of the "haters".

[cgrindley]

49. Codepink is utterly ineffective

the US still tortures people, Guantanamo is still a concentration camp, the war in Iraq is still running full steam ahead. Or do you have a different definition of effective?

[Spazito]

53. Code Pink is very effective, their actions are what the media covers which, in turn,...

brings the issues of Iraq, torture, etc, into the mainstream. To use your measure, the Democratic Congress is as bad as Code Pink then because "the US still tortures people, Guantanamo is still a concentration camp, the war in Iraq is still running full steam ahead." yet I haven't seen any posts from you with the same rhetoric as you have used re Code Pink, gotta wonder why....or not.

Actually, Code Pink has been MORE effective than the Democratic Congress because they do get media attention to the issues, the Congress can't even do that.

[cgrindley]

65. No. They are not effective. They are ineffective because they become

story. The story isn't the story. Their idiotic antics become the story. That efficently allows the other side to ignore the issues entirely. Codepink should think about this before they do more damage.

[ray of light]

40. projection problems, huh?

There's a remedy for that, you know.

[Le Taz Hot]

41. Aren't you the same guy who thinks clothes lines

lower a person's property values? :wtf: I usually don't remember one DUer from another, but YOU I remember. Yeah, your opinion is valid. :sarcasm:

[cgrindley]

43. yes, clothes lines are unsightly blights on the suburban environment

and people who use leaf blowers ought to serve hard time in Attica. I fail to see how this invalidates my view that codepink are an embarrassment to Democratic candidates. I fail to see how Democratic candidates won't suffer at the polls through erroneously supposed connections with these idiots and their foolish tactics.

[Le Taz Hot]

46. One person's idiot

is another person's patriot. Put me down for the latter.

[TayTay]

54. Then maybe you should ask Congressmen like Obey

why they invite Code Pink into their hearing rooms and urge them to keep up what they are doing.

Democracy, properly practiced, is messy, loud, argumentative and about something. Sorry that offends you. The Code Pink folks are practicing their Constitutional right to demonstrate for a regress of grievances from their government. They have this right, they are not accountable to you or the Democratic Party for this right and they serve their own purposes in doing so.

Remember, the Founding Fathers (and Mothers) of this nation were pain-in-the-arse agitators for change. They didn't shut up because someone told them they were offending those "in the middle." We are a nation founded on loud dissent. I applaud Code Pink for remembering that, even if I sometimes disagree with their methods. They are true patriots.

[cgrindley]

68. The problem occurs when they become the story

the issue no longer counts. Instead, they become the issue and that detracts from the overall debate.

[TayTay]

83. Then why are Congressional committee chairs

asking them to show up for the hearings? Maybe it's because they put the focus back on the issues, where it belongs.

Code Pink and other groups are not aligned with the Democratic Party. They serve their own needs and issues. There is nothing wrong with that. They are upfront about that. The criticism that they do more harm than good is without merit. They serve their issues, not a political party.

[cgrindley]

92. People said the same thing about Cindy until she became a liability (nt)

[Alexander]

50. The real assclowns are Schumer and Feinstein.

[LeftyMom]

55. You missed a spot

while you were polishing up that mirror.

[Beelzebud]

59. After reading a few of your responses in this thread, welcome to my ignore list.

[cgrindley]

67. Dang, and there I was making you punch and pie (nt)

[AikidoSoul]

74. self delete

[AikidoSoul]

75. CodePink is highly effective at making their protests visible

which is more than we can say for those who just sit on their asses and whine about showy protesters.

[tabasco]

77. "Those people dumping tea in the Harbor are assclowns!"

They make all colonists look like fools!"

[cgrindley]

81. Benjamin Franklin agreed with me

so there.

[tabasco]

86. At the time of the Boston Tea Party, Franklin did not support independence.

So he was wrong about that too.

~ Defender of American Rights ~

The crisis precipitated by the Stamp Act (1765) pushed that effort into the background and propelled Franklin into a new role as chief defender of American rights in Britain. At first he advised obedience to the act until it could be repealed, but news of violent protest against it in America stiffened his own opposition. After repeal of the Stamp Act, Franklin reaffirmed his love for the British Empire and his desire to see the union of mother country and colonies "secured and established," but he also warned that "the seeds of liberty are universally found and nothing can eradicate them."

http://www.americanrevwar.homestead.com/files/FRANKLIN.HTM

Got any more dumbass history for me to shoot down??

[cgrindley]

90. I still agree with Franklin

legitimate avenues first and foremost. He wasn't wrong at all. He, like me, favored process.

[Warren Stupidity]

9. She could not care less about what the people of California want.

The disdain on her face said it all.

That is the face of fascist america.

[NNN0LHI]

11. Key words from the OP: "parted from their Democratic party"

Thats right. They don't belong to the same Democratic party decent human beings belong to. I am starting to wonder if they ever did?

Don

[Agony]

14. If you look at this organization that C.Schumer associates himself with

you won't have to wonder about him anymore. ---->http://www.defenddemocracy.org/biographies/biographies.htm

Nice cozy group of democrats eh? zell miller, joseph lieberman...

I think schumer owes us an explaination about why he is listed as an advisor to this group.

[NNN0LHI]

15. We have got to get rid of these torturing assholes ASAP n/t

[VP505]

35. WOW, Schumer's

affiliation with that group needs a healthy dose of disinfecting daylight. Thanks for the link. It really does make me wonder just who he (Schumer) really represents and your right, he does owe his constituents an explanation.

[deacon]

19. I have to kick this again because this belongs at the top. n/t

[maine_raptor]

20. Seeing is believing

You believe in what you see, and what you see depends upon what you value.

DiFi focuses more on money (war profiteering) and Chucky sees political power; neither of them see the stain this leaves on American Honor.

[sniffa]

27. i Love code pink

where are the DUers who denounce them? why aren't they on this thread?

[derby378]

34. Thank you, CODEPINK, for sticking it to the Feinosaur!

:applause:

And to the "victim," a big :hug:

[ray of light]

39. See live blog thread too.

[NNN0LHI]

42. This is real news. The fact that CNN didn't cover it speaks volumes n/t

[Sugar Smack]

58. CODEPINK. They are an amazing group of people.

Fucking amazing. Thank you for that video, Hissy.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

60. Ohhh, they're very naughty and might offend the "moderates".

If they succeed in arousing them from their stupor.

[Sugar Smack]

61. *KICK*

[stirlingsliver]

78. Thank You Code Pink!

Continue to speak Truth To Power!

You ROCK!

[me b zola]

79. I have huge respect for the women of Code Pink and the work that they do

Thank you, pink ladies. :yourock:

[AikidoSoul]

82. Thank you CodePink.... for all that you are doing

for those of us who cannot be there to be heard.

Keep up the good work!

[Nutmegger]

85. I stand with CODEPINK.

Always have, and always will. I'm so glad they are on our side fighting like hell to change things.

R&K for CODEPINK!

[robinlynne]

89. Just got back from a rally outside Feinstein's office. codepink, progressive dems of

america, veterans for peace, and 4 other groups were there.
Please CALL FEINstein's and Schumer's offices today! even if it is late. Flood them with phone calls!

[derby378]

93. Aw, geez...

Now the FReepers responding to that bloghave been joined by what looks like a refugee from Stormfront, chanting "14 WORDS" and all that shit, claiming that CODEPINK is actually Communist or something ridiculous like that.

Maybe we should rally and bring some balance to the posts over there...?

[fenriswolf]

95. code pink rocks

and to those of you who say their tactics do not work......at least feinstien knows what waterboarding is....education is never a waste.

[Dukkha]

97. Nice to see REAL Americans like Code Pink in action!

and not the spineless ass-kissing politician whores who only care about "elections" and systems" instead of actually doing what is moral and just. There are the same cowards who though MLK was too radical and should've just played nice and be friends with the enemy.

Keep it up code pink. Don't let the bastards get you down!