if the dems had blocked Mukasey, he would have been forgotten just like Ted Olson

[Enrique]

all this outrage against the dems over Mukasey is fake.

If the dems had blocked ten Bush nominees, then confirmed the eleventh, people would still run around crying about how the dems always cave.

Fake fake fake fake fake.

[boston bean]

1. Name the ten that mattered that they blocked, please, I dare ya. nt

[Enrique]

7. they blocked one, Ted Olson

and as soon as they did, he disappeared from DU like he never existed.

If they had blocked nine more, the same would have happened to all of them.

Then the one that they confirmed, well he would be the cause of a lot of righteous outrage.

[boston bean]

8. huh, we are suppose to continue to talk about Ted because he is gone?

I must be missing something.

And because they did one thing right, we can't criticize, like we criticized Ted.

WTF, i'm getting confused.

[Enrique]

12. the dems could set a record for voting against the president

and people will still say they always cave.

The current dems did in fact set such a record, and people do still say they always cave.

[Pale Blue Dot]

2. Yeah, so true. Why fight anything?

No point in making a stand on principle.

[Enrique]

4. they took a stand against Ted Olson

[Pale Blue Dot]

6. Nobody remembers the names of the Clinton nominees blocked by Republicans.

Do you deny that the Republicans had an impact?

You are advancing a straw man argument.

[H2O Man]

3. "fake" n/t

[Webster Green]

5. They do always cave..

So what the fuck are you talking about?

My outrage is real!

The dems are useless. Nothing will change.

[Enrique]

9. they didn't cave on Ted Olson

now it's your turn. The way the game works, you come up with some reason this doesn't count.

[Webster Green]

16. We're talking about torture here..

Why would you think our outrage is fake?

Torture! It's beyond belief that we are even having a discussion about approving torture.

[Enrique]

21. we're only talking about torture because the dems asked him about it

they're the ones that made this an issue with Mukasey.

[Webster Green]

22. Then they caved!

Why would you defend this bullshit?

Torture! Fucking torture!

[robinlynne]

10. maybe ti is fake to you. but not to me. This man will determine the legality

of all the things Bush has done. He has already declared Bush above the law. I do not want to be spied on, to ahve people tortured in my name, to have more fraudulent elections.

Speak for yourself.

[ulysses]

11. fuck that.

Nearly eight years, and we're supposed to be all happy-happy and shit over Ted Olson? Whee!

[Enrique]

14. no, just remember it

factor it into the assessment of the dems. It's not true that they always cave. They often don't cave, so when people say they always cave they are lying.

[ulysses]

19. this isn't rocket science. it truly isn't.

No, they don't *always* cave, but fucking please. Even leaving aside what should be an obvious moral issue - do you at least agree that Schumer and Feinstein just gave de facto approval to a man who won't condemn what is plainly a method of torture? - it's numbingly stupid politics, both foreign and domestic.

No, the best case scenario here is that Bush has taken hostages, or that the party has simply forgotten how to play this game. The worst case is that a significant part of the party agrees with Bush that waterboarding should be a legitimate part of the nation's legacy.

[MadHound]

24. They don't often cave? Can we look at the record on that one?

IWR, cave. Patriot Act? Cave. Altio? Cave. Roberts? Cave, ooo and the powder is still dry! Ashcroft? Cave, and coming from Missouri I knew they shouldn't have caved on this one. Funding and support for the war on an ongoing basis for four and a half years and counting? Cave, how much longer need I go on here?

Look, if you're going to nitpick people over the word "always", then I've absolutely got to question you over your use of the phrase "They often don't cave". Look at the record, in that happy medium somewhere between 'often caves' and 'always' lies the Dem record for the past six plus years. I thing that you calling out people for hyperbole while being hyperbolic yourself is, well, hypocritical. Think about it.

[Enrique]

25. Bush success rating at historic low

this article should aqcuit me of your charges of hypocrisy


http://news.yahoo.com/s/cq/20070904/pl_cq_politics/bushsuccessratingathistoriclow

Bush Success Rating at Historic Low

By CQ Staff
Tue Sep 4, 10:25 AM ET



By Bart Jansen, CQ Staff

President Bush’s success rating in the Democratic-controlled House has fallen this year to a half-century low, and he prevailed on only 14 percent of the 76 roll call votes on which he took a clear position.

The previous low for any president was in 1995, when Bill Clinton won just 26 percent of the time during the first year after Republicans took control of the House. If Bush’s score holds through the end of the year, he will have the lowest success rating in either chamber for any president since Congressional Quarterly began analyzing votes in 1953.

A study of House and Senate floor votes, compiled by CQ over the August recess, also showed that House Democrats have backed Bush’s legislative positions this year only 6 percent of the time, making for the strongest opposition from either party against a president in the 54 years CQ has kept score.

A separate analysis of so-called party unity votes, in which a majority of one party votes against a majority of the other, showed the possibility of another historic first for House Democrats. So far this year, Democrats have backed the majority position of their caucus 91 percent of the time on average on such votes. That marks the highest Democratic unity score in 51 years.

(...)

[tularetom]

13. You say that like it's a bad thing

as far as I'm concerned muksaey fucking deserves to be forgotten like ted olson whoever the fuck he is.

[Enrique]

15. I'm not talking about Mukasey himself, I'm talking about the dems' action

[cali]

17. hang it up. when people are running around DU

saying that Pat Leahy and Ted Kennedy were in on some scheme where they got to vote no because they really wanted Mukasey to get through committee, and that they "allowed" Schumer and Feinstein to vote for him, to that end, you know it's fucking hopeless. And for the record, I'm disgusted with both Feinstein and Schumer.

[Pale Blue Dot]

23. I noticed that you didn't respond to my post. nt

[bdamomma]

18. Schumer stupid man

Schumer put Mukasey's name forward and this is the price all of us have to pay so Schumer said yes, dragged Feinstein in too. Now Mukasey never said if waterboarding was torture, and if he did they could of got * and Cheney on committing war crimes, but alas, we have another crony in to replace Gonzo, now does Mukasey also serve at the pleasure of president or the people, only time will tell. Schumer and Feinstein vote them out.

[Swamp Rat]

20. Straw Man