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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 10:24 AM
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Police: 9 Arrested In Men's Bathroom Sex Sting At Central Florida Mall
Police: 9 Arrested In Men's Bathroom Sex Sting At Central Florida Mall
Men Would Tap Feet, Zip Zippers Before Acts, Chief Says

VOLUSIA COUNTY, Fla. -- A group of men, including a former candidate for mayor and a high school teacher, was arrested on charges they performed sex acts or exposed themselves in a Central Florida mall bathroom, according to police.

Investigators said nine men were arrested Thursday night in a Sears department store men's room located in the Volusia Mall.

"These men would go into the men's room and they would tap their feet, zip their zipper, make all kinds of noises and even reach under the stall," Daytona Beach Police Chief Mike Chitwood said.

The men arrested included SeaBreeze High School health teacher David Behringer and former city Commissioner Mike Shallow.

"The undercover officer told me he actually tried to come under the stall, where he was actually looking up at the undercover officer while he was performing his act," Chitwood said.

http://www.local6.com/news/14491047/detail.html
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skiddlybop Donating Member (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 10:26 AM
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1. Hm.
And ALL of them were married Republicans. Amazing.

City commissioner probably voted to fire gay people from employment just for being gay.

Look it up, you'll see.
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 11:00 AM
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19. I dont have to look it up. I know one of these guys, and you are wrong
I've known him personally for years, not this aspect of his life obviously, but I've known him for over 10 years. I know for a fact that he is not a conservative republican. He is kinda a gasbag, gadfly, and opinionated, so I can verify he aint a bush lover many times over. Its one of the reasons I like talking to the guy. More than anything, he is just a lonely old man.

I am in no way excusing his behavior. But let this be a lesson to you skiddlybop: 1. You are wrong.
2. You should avoid speaking in absolute terms when you know naught 3. Dont make assumptions, unless youwant to play the fool
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skiddlybop Donating Member (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 11:18 AM
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23. I thought I'd have to go to Free Republic
to read that all of them must be liberal...
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 11:24 AM
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25. Lesson 4&5
Edited on Fri Nov-02-07 11:25 AM by fishnfla
4.When you are proven wrong, admit it. Otherwise you are no different than the GOP WH Spokesperson talking about WMD's
5. Dont put words in other peoples' mouths. I never said all of them are liberal, just the one I know
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skiddlybop Donating Member (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 12:48 PM
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28. All I am saying is that they are all hypocrites
and that goes with being a closeted, self-loathing Republican.

see it here too:

http://pageoneq.com/news/2007/jhv.html

Where is the social pressure coming from to remain in the closet and hate oneself? Not from the liberals, from the closeted Republicans.
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 02:54 PM
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32. Jesus H Christ dude, stop digging that hole
It's getting embarrassing. You were wrong. Just own it.
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 11:47 AM
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27. Who said they were all liberal
You must get a lot of exercise jumping to conclusions like that all the time.

The only thing being said is do not make assumptions. And here you are rushing to another assumption.
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skiddlybop Donating Member (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 02:49 PM
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30. No assumptions, Pointing out the pattern.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/11/02/republican-ric...

You can't turn around without more Republicans getting outed.

Someone's in denial.
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 10:27 AM
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2. O_o
Relevance? Yeah we get the bathroom sex angle but how is this relevant to anything other than the fact that homosexuals are often driven to seek companionship in unorthodox places due to social pressures to stay in the closet? Is there an example of hypocrisy on the part of any of the participants relevant to politics? Or is it just that fact that someone that ran for mayor was caught in the sting?
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skiddlybop Donating Member (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 10:31 AM
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5. The relevance is this...
in bathroom stings, literally ALL OF THOSE ARRESTED are closeted straight conservatives.

Literally. Read this news story from this week and you'll see. Of 20 arrested, 19 were married. Of course, the other one was a priest.

http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2007/10/married-gay-straig...

Look it up and click through to Dan Savage's news story.

This is not about gay men. It's about men taught to hate themselves and cover up by hating openly gay people.
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 10:40 AM
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10. Where are we getting info that they were all conservatives from?
Closeted just means closeted. Make further assumptions than that and its messy. I read through Joe's and Dan's posts and there is nothing suggesting that anyone other than the Priest had any connection to conservative hate mongering towards gays. Are we to presume that just because someone is still closeted that they are a conservative? That someone that is married and attracted to men as well must be conservative? How big a paint brush are we going to need? Cuz that one is getting pretty wide.
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 02:56 PM
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33. Don't be ridiculous
in bathroom stings, literally ALL OF THOSE ARRESTED are closeted straight conservatives.

You don't have any ideas what you're talking about.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 03:09 PM
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37. you're wrong
there's no evidence they're all conservatives.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 10:35 AM
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7. Not sure I get the cut of your jib son
:)

Basically I read Local six everyday (cause they always have something interesting and relevant to post) and I saw that story and with all the republicans we have seen caught up in hypocrisy (ie, tell people something is sick and evil/etc and then go out and do it...) and since there were 9 people involved one is bound (at least one) to be such a hate spewing freak and we can once again ask the rw nuts why they tell us something is wrong and then go and do it.

It is like a liberal who says we should ban handguns and then we see them in the store buying one.

Also, not to mention, I post a lot of crime related stories - I spent 5 years in security and also served as a deputy sheriff in Ohio, so crime is something I tend to pay more attention to in the news.
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 10:44 AM
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11. Do we have the politics of any of these people on record?
I mean even the priest for all we know could be a rogue within the Catholic Church and speaks up for homosexual rights. I am just suggesting that we not leap on a band wagon on these matters. There is a very real social issue here that forces many men to stay closeted and seek alternate means of finding partners and to demonize any that are caught in stings in public rest rooms just seems to further the social stigma and drives them deeper into the closet.

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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 10:50 AM
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14. It's still a crime for adults to be banging away in a public bathroom
get a hotel, go to a (non-smoking..) bar, etc and so on.

If you want to keep your sex life private, do it somewhere private - not public.
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 10:55 AM
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16. Oh certainly. But what is the political relevance of it?
Or more specifically what are doing besides embarrassing people that are already living lives of self denial and constant embarrassment?
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 02:42 PM
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29. I can get what you are saying, however
It does not have to have political reasons connected to it to report on it - but then too, it does have a political relevance anyway because the topic itself IS a political issue (ie, same sex interaction).

And it does not mean really, either, that they are gay. People can be bi, or even so sexually frustrated that the only sex they are getting is with someone of the same sex (I read a paper a few years back about men who have sex with other men because they felt men were more open to plain old sex and their wives weren't - so there was the taboo factor, the rush of it, etc and so on).

I looked it up while writing this - this is not the paper I remember but it does shed some insight on it:

Straight Men & Gay Sex - Mens Health: Health and Medical ...
Also, a man who says he is straight but is having sex with other men is more likely to be married than a straight man who has sex with women, according to....

Many 'Straight' Men Have Gay Sex
http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlek...

I am as straight as a guy can get I suppose, but even I have had sex with a man before. I don't think about it, fantasize about it, but it was mainly due to opportunity (and the guy I had sex with is also straight and happily married now) and a few drinks :) Was not in a public place either.

I get that people can be sexually frustrated (or scared, etc) and seek out release in a variety of ways.

I myself have a wonderful and wild relationship with an awesome woman and some of the things we do would shock the RW so bad they would burn us at the stake (BDSM/etc and I am not going into the details).

What I have learned in my 42 years is that when a straight couple does not have a sex life (like my X and I) it can lead to people doing things like mentioned in the article. With my current wife, even after 9+ years together we still have sex for hours a day (unless, like today, she is ill - but we have makeup days) ;)

As a straight man I know how it can be in cases like this. You prefer and want sex with a woman, can't find it, so you seek out someone else (a male) who has the same sex level as you and is not worried about the romantic stuff associated (cause you did all that and are still sexually frustrated).

I would still today though, have sexual contact with a man if it was in a three-some with my wife and it would not bother me (which is why I see folks like my friend who are gay as being more than just some man that desires sex with another man, it is emotional as well as physical - and those who just want physical is, to me, different and not considered gay).

The BIGGEST problem IMHO right now is equating same sex encounters with being gay/lesbian or even being BI. BUT I also see a huge problem in many 'macho men' wanting to punish gay people (who do, generally have same sex relationships - not just sex but relationships) because they have more than just sex - ie, they kiss, live together, hold hands - and GASP love one another - and the men that rail about gays are all too often the same ones that would still have sex with a man and brand that as acceptable since it is private, while bitching about the relationship aspect of it.

To such men gays are bad, but what they do is all ok because they can excuse it as simple sex. It is ok to cheat on your wife, have sex in a public bathroom, but is it not OK to kiss another man and live with them or marry them.

They want to have their cake and eat it too, and that just plain sucks. So now THEY get a taste of their own medicine - people label them gay (because of the sex angle) and they protest 'no, I am not gay just horny, gay is still bad'. And they start to see how it feels to be gay and under a microscope, like my friend James who I still don't think has told his parents he is gay out of the fear of rejection. Now these same bigots are feeling what it is like to have people oppress you over things like this (funny thing is, my best friend is also an independent who votes mainly Republican based on issues...go figure).

So these married men (or priests, etc) who bitch about people being gay, gay marriage, etc, are going into public bathrooms seeking out perhaps the very people they are condemning for pleasure - and that is just plain wrong to me. You bash gay men, then you seek them out (and to be fair, again, maybe neither of them were gay as was the case with me).

The repression of sex, relationships, etc is mainly a RW thing - as a lefty liberal I am all for wild sex and personal choice (gay/straight/bi/trans gender/bdsm/you name it) and all too often I have seen people on the rw fundie side condemn on the one hand while getting off in the other.

If NONE of these guys were like that, then I apologize - but I am sure that some of them were the type to vote R while living D :) And maybe, just maybe, they will stop acting like assholes to us people on the left who embrace sex/relationships and start to understand what it is to live a lifestyle you cannot openly talk about like others (and Lord knows I get that, no way I could even attempt to explain to those we know my wife's and I's wild side. And personally, it is none of their business and we keep it between us).
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skiddlybop Donating Member (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 10:51 AM
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15. Um, no.
Men who are closeted and so out of self-respect that they go to rest stops instead of a gay bar are usually doing all of the other things to cover up, including bashing gay people for being out. Case closed. No sarcasm. Look at the link. 19 out of 20 men married. Of course only 19 out of 20. The other was a priest.
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 10:56 AM
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18. I have to differ
I have known closeted men that lead married lives and kept their homosexuality secret for a number of reasons. They did not put on a facade of homophobia. The men I have known were in fact quite liberal and supported homosexual rights. But for social reasons they could not bring themselves out of the closet.
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bigscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 11:08 AM
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21. just because they are married
and closeted does not mean they are homophobes and gay-bashers

take it from someone who knows OK skid?
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skiddlybop Donating Member (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 11:20 AM
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24. Welcome!
Welcome to the Fox News staff, who labeled Mark Foley (D-Fl) and Larry Craig (D-Id) on their screens!

Welcome!
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 10:35 AM
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8. Oh, please. Out gay men go to parties, bars
the homes of lovers and normal places like that. Only repressed married men who are openly homophobic cruise bathrooms and highway rest areas for anonymous quickies on the low down.

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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 10:45 AM
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13. I kept looking for the sarcasm smilie
I am going with the presumption that it wasn't needed because the post was so blatantly sarcastic.
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bigscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 11:10 AM
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22. and only idiots
think married and homophobic gay bashers are synonymous
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 03:00 PM
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35. Uh, you're wrong
It sorta takes two to tango in these situations. The closeted married men aren't doing it with each other; there are gay men, out or otherwise, doing it there with them. I don't know why you'd assume that just because a gay man is out that he has no interest in public sex of this sort. There's a very long tradition of this sort of activity, and many many men consider it the height of eroticism...that's what drives so many men to do it. It's probably what drove Larry Craig to do it.
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 11:39 AM
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26. Amen, brother.
I don't know why we further have to humiliate these people. We know practically nothing about them. Assuming their hypocritical republicans is wrong.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 10:28 AM
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3. Oh, Lordy....
Edited on Fri Nov-02-07 10:29 AM by hlthe2b
More bathroom "hijinks" :eyes:

I hope they didn't ignore the city's violent and more serious crime during this "sting." And, no, DUer parents, I don't condone it in a public mall bathroom. Take it home, folks.

Just saying....

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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 10:29 AM
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4. I wonder if they got to finish taking care of business in jail
Or in the van? :shrug: :hide:
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 10:33 AM
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6. Nine Men Outed.
"tap their feet, zip their zipper, make all kinds of noises"......kinda like a bathroom version of "Stomp".
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 10:36 AM
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9. Larry craig, the musical
:rofl:
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 10:44 AM
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12. I do wonder about the tax $$ spent doing this compared to other things, but I doubt they would do
this spend time and money doing this unless there have been complaints. I just can't see picking somebody up in a Sears bathroom.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 10:55 AM
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17. Shallow.. what a perfect name...
Edited on Fri Nov-02-07 10:56 AM by SoCalDem
wonder what letter follows his name in parenthesis :rofl:

only one letter away from absolute "perfection :evilgrin:
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 11:05 AM
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20. The only weird part is that none of them are Republicans in government offices.
One of them ran for mayor. They're R-wannabees.
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otherlander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 02:50 PM
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31. I don't understand why this is a crime.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 02:57 PM
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34. Can I have heterosexual sex at the mall?
I mean, look. I'm about as gay-friendly as they come. I support full equality, including marriage rights, for LBGT citizens. I'm certainly against anti-gay witch hunts... But, really, there's a time and a place for everything. Sounds like what this town needs is a good gay bar or two.

That said, I've been in a lot of men's rooms in my life, and I've never seen anything remotely resembling the behavior alleged in these cases.
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 03:07 PM
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36. Two reasons
1) It's a public bathroom. (I agree with this one) and,

2) Rampant homophobia. Obviously I don't agree with this motivation, and that is why these stings leave me with rather mixed feelings.

I don't want to see anyone soliciting sex in a public area, be they male, female, hetero, homo, or any combination thereof. On the other hand these stings are targetting male homosexuals specifically and I have a big problem with that.
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