I'm not willing to settle. Sorry.

[flvegan]

Sorry, Hillary. I can't settle for an ongoing war in Iraq and a forthcoming war in Iran.

Sorry, Obama. I can't settle for someone that embraces a bigoted homophobe.

Sorry, frontrunners. I want health care, I want honesty. I want peace. I want impeachment. I want responsibility. I want someone that puts what is right before what is right for their donors.

Sorry, candidates. I want Dennis Kucinich.

BTW, if belief in seeing a UFO is the best you have to defame someone, you're in big damn trouble.

Sorry, "dems" I want Dennis Kucinich.

[Maven]

1. Dennis isn't afraid to lead.

K/R

[Buzz Clik]

109. He's also in no danger of leading.

It's far easier to strike loud chords on specific, core issues when you know you do not stand a chance.

Kucinich is doing a banner job of representing hard-core progressives, and more power to him. However, if he were running a campaign based on winning the nomination and winning the election, his approach would be far different.

[aquart]

140. Yes, but his is the truly thankless task and he's being wonderful.

Sticking to his guns without being petty. I hope his showing is mind boggling. The larger his percentage of total votes, the more the party is forced left. NOBODY should be discouraged from voting for Kucinich on the grounds that he won't win and the vote is wasted.

A VOTE FOR KUCINICH IS NOT A WASTED VOTE. IT'S A VOICE LIKE A NAVIGATION SYSTEM IN THE CAR, TELLING THE COUNTRY WHICH WAY IT NEEDS TO GO. Make it a very loud voice.

[Buzz Clik]

144. I agree. All that is exactly what the primaries are about.

[gkaba]

150. Great Article!

  Short and to the point.
"When you choose the lesser of two evils, you still end
up with evil."
  Supporting Kucinich is the one way to avoid wasting the
political time you have available.

[alstephenson]

218. AGREED! Dennis Kucinich will get my vote.

[John Q. Citizen]

152. Dennis is running the same kind of campaign that he's always won on. He's

not going to pander to get elected.

He tells you where he at, period.

He's won many more political races than have Hill, Obama or Edwards.

So i doubt changing his style to be like Hill, Obama or Edwards would improve his chances. In fact the only thing holding him back is that he hasn't sold out to one monied group or another to raise the cash.

But that's why he's now moved up to 4th place.

[Kweli4Real]

167. There is something wrong ...

When people compromise on their interests for electability (sp?).

Has it ever occurred to you that the only reason we remain in this war, we are unlikely to see fair trade, we are unlikely to see universal healthcare, and the whole host of "progressive" policies, is because you won't vote your interests?

[Buzz Clik]

238. Um... who did I vote for again? Help me here...

And who am I supporting this time?

[MattSh]

182. Yep, honesty cannot win these days.

However, if he were running a campaign based on winning the nomination and winning the election, his approach would be far different.

Yep, he'd be running a Hillary campaign.

Fact is, if you run a truth and honesty campaign, you get ignored or vilified, a la Dean, 2004. You can only win the nomination and the Presidency by being Frankenstein, with a dishonest piece from the Pharma lobby, and a lie from the defense lobby, some shit from the Homeland Security lobby, plus crap from 100 other lobbies, all pasted together with the blood and guts of the dead of Iraq.

[dickbearton]

215. No, if he does not win, it is because people are to stupid and do not vote their own interests.

[Maven]

His candidacy is as legitimate as we make it.

In my view it is hypocritical for progressives to complain that their issues and ideas aren't respected in "mainstream" politics and then participate in the belittlement of candidates like DK who do respect and represent them because they are supposedly unelectable.

I support DK for the very reason that I want his views to become part of the mainstream, because they reflect my views. I want people like DK to be taken seriously because I want what he represents to be taken seriously. That's progress and pragmatism all in one. We do no one any good, least of all ourselves, by supporting only those who can win under present circumstances for that reason alone.

[Maven]

212. dupe

[Renew Deal]

2. So work hard for him

It's quite exciting to do so.

[flvegan]

8. I do.

[daninthemoon]

3. I'm right there with you. He has the right truthful answer everytime.

:applause: :headbang: :toast:
That UFO question was such bullshit, such a setup. Answers yes, and now tweetie won't talk of anything else. If he'd answered no, he would have been lying, and they would have "flipflopped" him. He did what he does, he answered truthfully, even knowing how the msm was planning to play it. Why do they want to discredit him so badly? And you've got it exactly right, that's the best "they" could come up with.
One thing that I came away from this "debate" with is that we have a super field. I prefer Kucinich, Biden, Dodd, and Richardson in that order over the "frontrunners", but any of them will make a better president than any rethug candidate, and I think that should be plain to anyone.

[superkia]

4. Spread his word to as many people as you can!

Thats what I try to do on a daily basis, let people know that we do have a choice and we don't have to accept only the choices that the MSM will give us. There is obviously a reason that he is ignored by the MSM and only a few are put out there. Educate, educate educate!

[tech3149]

5. I know what you mean

I'll just have to figure out how much money I'll have left after paying my hospital bills to send him and the few others I need to support.

[eridani]

6. I will keep on asking for that pony--

--even if I will eventually accept a kitten.

"I want health care, I want honesty. I want peace. I want impeachment. I want responsibility. I want someone that puts what is right before what is right for their donors." Anybody who wants that stuff should be supporting Kucinich. Even if he's nowhere near winning, supporting him will push all the other candidates in that direction.

[ecstatic]

7. Bad news. If a scream taken out of context can derail a campaign

then a UFO certainly will. Unfortunately, Kucinich is toast because we live in a society that loves to poke fun at others (which is partially why the repugs have been so successful).

[flvegan]

12. The truly "bad news" is that a scream taken out of context

CAN derail a campaign. UFO sightings, regardless. It's grasping at straws. Find an excuse to NOT vote for somebody based on something irrelevant rather than because what that person stands behind WILL FUCK YOU OVER AND OVER. Not just fuck you, but fuck America.

I won't vote to Fuck America.

Put that shit on a t-shirt.

[lvx35]

81. Its the tough truth. I was trying to think what the best answer he could have said would be.

Maybe "Oh yeah, that night was groovy!" or some joke, then "seriously, most Americans have seen something weird at some point in their lives" so it would just come down to a weird thing he saw rather than a UFO specific thing. Unfortunately, the question was made to derail him, with the details of how he made it feel in his heart with Shirley McLain nearby and whatnot.

[daninthemoon]

30. Which is why they asked him the question. Hopefully this will not

do what the scream did. First of all, there's really nothing odd about admitting to having seen something flying which was unidentified. I'm hoping America has at least that much sophistication. If the msm let's him respond a bit, it doesn't need to get too ugly. The key point is that he didn't lie or dis-avow, he owned up even knowing how this would be played. He's for real.

[Tektonik]

9. K&R

GO DENNIS!

You forgot one point. You want a smoking hot, intelligent first lady with a nice accent. :P

[LeftyMom]

10. ^ What he said.

K&R

[flvegan]

17. Sometimes you gotta fling the gloves off.

[LeftyMom]

21. Disrobing is for the lounge, dear.

;)

[mvd]

11. He's still my candidate

If it isn't UFOs or screams or eye rolls, it will be something else thrown out by the media.

[libnnc]

13. Me too.

I want Dennis.

[slipslidingaway]

14. Dennis also saw the harm in the Patriot Act and knew that once

we start to give away our rights they are very hard to get back.

And we'll never get back the people lost to this war, K&R.

[flvegan]

15. Yes! Good point!

And rights lost are rights hard to regain, yes?

Dare I say that rights lost are IMPOSSIBLE to regain?

[slipslidingaway]

48. He could have handled it better... others thought Iraq was an

imminent threat without questioning the intel or reading the NIE etc.


"Dare I say that rights lost are IMPOSSIBLE to regain?"

Hope not, what will tell the next generation, I voted for the tall handsome one :)

[barbtries]

98. nothing is impossible

though i'm losing hope that we'll turn around that much in my lifetime. the rights were gained in the first place; it must be possible to regain them. that "goddam piece of paper" still exists and its sentiments are still shared by most americans, if not most human beings. it has to be possible to regain those rights.

[Greyhound]

220. Unfortunately, the overwhelming majority of Americans are no longer capable of comprehending

"that piece of paper", nor what they have lost, by allowing the cabal to destroy it. We have become, literally, too dumb to live in freedom.

[lonestarnot]

16. He's my candidate!

[Proud2BAmurkin]

18. Sorry Dennis I already have enough garden gnomes including some who saw UFOs nt

nt

[flvegan]

19. Did you have a point?

I'm here to discuss, friend.

Gnomes...yes. Let's talk.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

23. Only the one on top of DK's head

:evilgrin:

[flvegan]

26. So, basically you have nothing, yes?

We can agree on that, right?

[flvegan]

42. I'll take *crickets* for $400 Trebek.

Mark.

[minkyboodle]

72. feh

:eyes: :eyes: :eyes:

[babylonsister]

24. You're obnoxious. Give me your choice and we'll talk. nt

[flvegan]

49. Well said, babylonsister.

:thumbsup:

[Greyhound]

221. His reply is a prime example of why we are destined to become the fourth reich.

Too dumb to live.

[Beelzebud]

129. The final straw. Welcome to my ignore list.

[dbonds]

133. So you see gnomes in your garden.

very interesting.

[Moochy]

141. And the award for best "Moran" costume goes to...

[ima_sinnic]

162. gee, don't strain yr brain or anything -- cliched nonresponses can be sooo

taxing. I know it's hard to make a contribution to grown-up conversation, so give yrself a few years. Don't push it before you're ready :eyes:

[NMMNG]

177. Now that's a valid criticism.

:sarcasm:

[TahitiNut]

187. "What a maroon. What an im-bessle."

[puebloknot]

209. And how do those gnomes in your garden make you feel in you heart?

And how tall are you? And what do you bring to the table to really solve the problems of this country? And how quickly would you fade away in the presence of Dennis Kucinich, who is articulate and funny and ethical and focused and devoted to this country?

There's a reason you're "right proud" to be "Amurkin." It has to do with some qualities that Dennis Kucinich has in abundance, and which you lack.

[GrpCaptMandrake]

20. Big Ol' K&R!!!!

We really got the MSM Daily Double today, didn't we?

Nora asks Mrs. Kucinich if her tongue is pierced and Tim asks Dennis about UFOs.

Jesus H. Christ on a popsicle stick crucifix!

How embarassing it must be to be Russert or Nora!

[babylonsister]

22. As little time as he got, he was just great! nt

[noamnety]

25. I don't believe in UFOs.

But if it came down to having to chose which is a more reasonable belief:

a) that UFOs exist, or

b) that continuing to occupy Iraq with both military troops and blackwater scum is somehow in our own best interest or in the best interest of the Iraqi people, and that it promotes freedom and advances human rights in some way

well, believing the first option seems less crazy than the second. At least I haven't seen proof that UFOs don't exist.

[flvegan]

28. Now, what if Blackwater were to take on UFOs?

[dbonds]

134. He didn't say it was a spaceship.

Just an unidentified flying object.

[IndianaJones]

27. Sorry Kucinich...you change fundamental stances at obvious times. And the UFO thing is nuts. nt.

[flvegan]

31. Elaborate?

[LeftyMom]

34. it's gonna go a little something like this

10 print Hillary uber Alles
20 print All will be assimilated
30 print Your candidate sucks!
40 goto 10

[flvegan]

Programming in BASIC here

well, might be quite accurate. Hmph.

[LeftyMom]

36. wholly unintentional, that.

;)

[IndianaJones]

58. hey...thought you didn't settle. nt.

[flvegan]

63. Is that it?

[IndianaJones]

66. tell me about it. nt.

[Pawel K]

114. Is trolling all that most of you HRC supporters can do?

[dbonds]

135. I'm afraid thats their forte

[Moochy]

145. Flood the Zone!

Instant Consensus, just add hillbots!

[FatDave]

200. It would certainly appear so, wouldn't it? (nt)

[LeftyMom]

151. Excuse me?

What the fuck is your problem?

[IndianaJones]

155. What do you mean? nt.

[LeftyMom]

158. Don't play dumb.

[IndianaJones]

161. is it dumb? perhaps only basic. nt.

[Renew Deal]

128. Abortion

???

[John Q. Citizen]

154. Let's see. Hill's now against the war, (sorta) Obama is now an evangelical, (kinda)

and Edwards now realizes that sponsoring the IWR was a big mistake.

OK

But Dennis coming around to a 100% NARAL rating 5 years ago is somehow what?

[Renew Deal]

159. Don't get defensive.

At least acknowlege I'm correct. He "came around" before he ran for president.

[John Q. Citizen]

163. He also came around 2 terms after he defeated a Repo incumabant in a long time

GOP held seat in an historically conservative house district.

I think Dennis came around because he thought it was the right thing to do.

Dennis has a long record of straight talking. I honestly think he changed his mind first, and then changed his platform.

You seem to think he changed his platform but doesn't really believe it.

Do you have anything to support that? Or is it just your suspician?

[Renew Deal]

166. He changed his platform just before he ran for an election.

It's fishy. I don't see the difference between Kucinich and Lieberman on this.

[IndianaJones]

170. didn't he change on gay rights recently as well? nt.

[Toasterlad]

219. No...You're Thinking of Obama.

[alittlelark]

29. I'm holding out... 'till the end of hope, for GORE

I LOVE Kucinich, but I'm a realist.... I will vote for Edwards, Biden, Dodd, or Richardson happily.

If I am forced to vote for HRC I will have to drink heavily before I go (walk) to my polling place... I will likely be crying tears for our country.
I'll probably get turned away from voting for public drunkenness.

I'll sober up just a bit - enough to maintain in public, but not enough to really understand the implications of my choice of HRC for POTUS.

I will vote for the nominee, but I don't want a hangover because of it.

[flvegan]

33. So, as a realist, you won't vote for Kucinich?

But you'll hold out for Gore?

[alittlelark]

39. Yes. I know Kucinich is unelectable

Imagine that he gets the nomination.... Now picture the ads that will be run against him.....Vegetarian, 3 wives, saw a UFO, kinda 'New Age'...' The list goes on and on.

I want to see him heading the newly formed 'Dept of Peace'.:hippie: :patriot:

[flvegan]

44. So we should put a candidate forward that

Supports the Iraq War, has no reservations against bombing Iran, accepts...oh, nevermind.

Too many folks here profess to want change, but wouldn't know change if it bit them on the ass.

Brand recognition rawks!! Go Hillary, same boss as the last boss!!! w00t!!!!

[alittlelark]

57. Don't broad-brush. Edwards is likely the best bet for Kuch-dem's

He has the most recognition, and is really in line w/ most Americans. But you know how they will spin out the ads if he is nominated (too ugly - wife, cancer, distraction from POTUS..cancer....).

The other 3 I mentioned are almost unknowns - thanks to the MSM.

I Love Kucinich... but reality is often far from my ideals.

[flvegan]

59. I didn't broad brush

You said: "Now picture the ads that will be run against him.....Vegetarian, 3 wives, saw a UFO, kinda 'New Age'...' The list goes on and on."

So I should go to the anti-vegan, anti-family, anti-NASA folks?

Must really suck to run on an anti-global warming, anti-hate format.

Shit. Where's my "I'm for Hillary!!! button"

[alittlelark]

62. I know you love Kucinich - I do too. The 'broad brush' fits...

Snip from your post <"So we should put a candidate forward that
Supports the Iraq War, has no reservations against bombing Iran, accepts...oh, nevermind.">


The 4 candidates I mentioned do not fall into your 'broad strokes'.

I wish Kucinich had a chance. I've given him $200 (it makes me feel good).

But, honestly, take off the 'rose colored glasses'.

This country is in the fight of it's life. I NEED an electable candidate.

[rjones2818]

232. When the electable candidates

are all status quo, which I think the big three, Biden and Dodd are, you get the status quo.

[The Count]

186. spin? How about record at odds with rhetoric? Sponsored war, voted bankruptcy etc

The thread was about not settling - why go with the demagogue?

[druidity33]

112. isn't Rudy

on his third wife? He's prepared for the alien invasion, kinda "Old Age", and I heard he eats chilled Monkey brains for supper! He's a NY mafia thug too! And i'm sure you can see where the Dept of Peace would go in a RudyG administration (insert sound of toilet flush here). But of course, they won't bring these things up in the M$M...


or you can root for Hil...


:shrug:

[dbonds]

137. Kinda 'New Age' is a plus for everyone that has been terrorized by the christians

And I don't think the repugs can use wife count (glass houses you know). I'm not sure vegetarian could be used as an issue.

[DutchLiberal]

184. So you shouldn't vote for a guy out of fear what the other party might do?

As if they won't put out those horrible, lying, distorting ads if Hillary/Obama/Edwards is the nominee...

And indeed: imagine if Kucinich was running against Guilliani. He would win in a landslide. Guilliani the crossdresser, Guilliani with the 3 divorces, Guilliani with the daughter that would rather vote for Obama? Can you imagine the ads? "Guilliani: even his own daughter wouldn't vote for him. So why would you?" :rofl:

[dbonds]

136. Side question: Isn't it illegal to vote when drunk?

[Maat]

32. Me, too!

I agree, flvegan!

I was hoping I guessed correctly - re the subject of this thread - and I did! And I agree with you fully!

[WindRavenX]

35. He's got my vote

And it seems that I've already fallen for the UFO trap--I have a feeling the media is going to run with it...:scared:

[wildbilln864]

37. Amen to that!

K&R! I want Kucunich!

[Individualist]

38. I won't settle either,

and I won't apologize for that. :)

[flvegan]

41. This is a vote against giving in.

A vote against my voice being one that settles.

No chance.

[zyguh]

189. So instead you ARE settling for your vote counting for NOTHING instead.....way to take a stance

Hillary Clinton or Barrack Obama are going to win the nomination. Edwards could have been on that list right up until the point he opted for the public money for his campaign. That was Edwards basically signaling defeat.

I dont like it, but those are THE FACTS.

Dennis will NEVER win the Democratic nomination. Thats also a good thing because Dennis will NEVER win the White House. It will not ever, ever, ever in a million years happen. If every candidate on the ballot but him died before the primaries, so Dennis was the only living candidate on the primary ballot and therefore won the Democratic nomination, he STILL would never win the White House.

If it was a hundred years ago, before the television age, then he would probably be the front runner. But the harsh reality of the world we live in TODAY, is that Dennis doesn't look presidential enough to be President. The guy stands what? 3'9" ? (YES, I know he isnt really 3'9", so quit screaming and hitting your monitor while calling me dirty names.)

Edwards looks like a President. Obama is good looking, and looks like he is 10 foot tall, and Hillary looks good on camera, and after the 8 years of seeing her on camera as First Lady she is mentally associated with the White House,the President, etc. Thats really the biggest obstacle for a woman to be President: We have never had one before, so it is extremely hard for anyone to picture a woman in the position.....but Hillary COULD overcome that because of her time as First Lady. Like with Pelosi, she had already stepped in to lead the minority party during a time of crisis, so when they became the majority it was easy for them to say "She's already the leader, lets keep her as the leader." So she became Speaker of the House because she was voted in to CONTINUE leading her party, and not as Speaker which is what made it possible.......if Nancy had been second in command, and the minority leader had retired after the last election, we would have a Man as Speaker right now. It sucks, but its reality.

In this day and age, LOOKS are almost everything. Reagan was the shittiest President ever, right up till the current asshat, yet he LOOKED like a great President, so there is all this crap about what a great President he is. History will look back in a hundred years and rank Reagan right where he belongs....at the bottom 10%. But as long as there are people alive who remember how "Presidential" the guy looked, he is still going to get good press.

Dennis WILL NEVER be president, because he doesn't look presidential enough. He just doesn't. Its sad, but its a fact.

If you cast a vote for Dennis, it is a COMPLETELY WASTED VOTE. Imagine this, instead of going to vote you stay home instead. THAT is wasting your vote right? You stay home and waste your vote, and Hillary or Obama get the nomination.

Now picture this: You GO to vote and cast that vote for Dennis. Result? Hillary or Obama get the nomination. Hmmmmm..... whats that tell us? Well, using the Rules of Logic. "Not voting" = "a wasted vote". "Not voting" = "Hillary or Obama get the nomination". "Your voting for Dennis" = "Hillary or Obama getting the nomination", THEREFORE "Your voting for Dennis" = "a wasted vote".

You don't have to like it, and can scream and shout about it all you want, but it is spelled out perfectly right there for you: Voting for Dennis is wasting your vote.

IF you get all the Dennis supporters to vote for Hillary, then it could guarantee a Hillary win (and your vote will have counted). IF you get all the Dennis supporters to vote for Obama, it could guarantee an Obama win ( and again, your vote will have counted). IF you can get all the Dennis supporters to convice all the voters who support someone other than Obama or Hillary to vote for Edwards, then Edwards MIGHT win(and your vote will have counted).

Thats it. Obama or Clinton are going to win the nomination. Edwards might if everyone who doesnt support the top two drop their hopeless "causes", grow-up and throw their support behind Edwards. (but thats the only way).

To say that a big outpouring of support for Dennis is going to "move the party left", or "force the winner to take up some of Dennis' platforms" or anything else is unbelievably naive( or outright stupid). If Dennis got 15% of the vote, the winner IS NOT going to adopt a single thing from Dennis that they weren't already running in their own campaign. They don't have to, and they know it, because if your a Dennis supporter it means you ARE farther left than most in this country so YOU WILL vote for whoever the Democratic candidate is no matter what. If you dont vote for the Democrat, the Republican might win, so YOU WILL VOTE for the Democratic candidate. Everyone knows it. So they dont have to adopt anything from Dennis, or change a single stance in their platforms and they still get your vote in the general election.

Its time to stop tilting at windmills. Stories are there NOT BECAUSE they teach how to live in real life, but because they provide an ESCAPE from real life. Little Dennis Quixote needs to tell his supporters to support one of the three candidates that can actually win the nomination. That way, Dennis can actually have an impact, and so can his supporters. (and if Dennis doesnt throw his support behind Edwards, Edwards needs to make the same decision because without Dennis' supporters, Edwards can't win.)

Its too close to crunch time, and THIS time too many states are holding their primaries on the same day. You cant play the game from the past where you do the two early primary states, and then game those showings into building momentum, etc., etc. We are going to have a defacto National Primary this year, because of the number of states all going on the same day. The three (two really) front runners should be the only ones left running two to three months ahead of those primaries, and that means everyone who isnt in the top three need to do the right thing and drop out TODAY.

Pick one of the three, throw your support behind them, then drop out of the race. If your one of the supporters of someone besides the top three, its time to grow-up and get real.

If you vote for anyone else, YOU ARE wasting your vote. Pick someone who might win, and actually make your vote count.

[FatDave]

201. Sadly, I think you're right

And just the other day I was thinking "why on Earth did Russ Feingold sit this one out?"

[bettyellen]

206. "IF you get all the Dennis supporters to vote for Hillary" LOL>. you're the one who need to get real

[rjones2818]

233. If the top three are crap, and they are,

then you'll be voting for crap. Have fun.

[Enrique]

40. why be sorry?

Kucinich is a fine candidate.

[Kurovski]

43. K&R. (nt)

[New Earth]

45. I want Kucinich too

Although if Gore won, he would take over for me.

Honestly, after watching the debates tonight, I will take any of those running over Clinton. Except for maybe Richardson, he didn't impress me much, and to me his answers didn't have a lot of substance. Not sure what it was that turned me off. Either way, I will take any of them over Hilary :/

Btw - I think Edwards responses were great tonight. And I haven't put much effort into paying attention to him until now.

[flvegan]

46. Imagine a Gore/Kucinich ticket.

Wow. Yes?

[New Earth]

47. I already do

:)

[barbtries]

100. yes

in a heartbeat, and happily

[alittlelark]

70. Richardson is actually waaay cool. He's 'old school'

He was Clinton's emissary to N. Korea. He did a great job. As Gov. of NM he is leading the country in renewable energy. He is actually quite WITH IT. The problem is that he is not particularly attractive and his last name belies 3/4 Hispanic.

I'm from NM... He's a great diplomat, and would be a rockin' Sec of State or possible VP.

[ingac70]

194. Why settle for Sec. of State or VP??

I'm from Tennessee, and I want Bill Richardson to be President!

[fizzgig]

50. i'm with you

i'm sick of settling :thumbsup:

[flvegan]

51. I can't tell you how much

I agree with you.

I'm just sick of settling...putting up with what's given to us.

NO more. NO more.

[Danger Mouse]

54. had a dlc'er on GD tell me 'we need to go along to get along' or some junk like that...

last week.
i don't get how someone can hold that mindset and think that's the best way to oppose bush and the right wing. it's not opposition at all.

[Blue-Jay]

52. Sorry, flvegan. Denny ain't gonna win.

I wish he would win, and he's probably gonna get my vote in the primary, but.... well you know the rest.

Hey, you should come up to Chicago for the Greenfest next spring. I got to meet Dennis & his wife (who is hotter in person if you can imagine that), Hightower, Palast, Amy Goodman, & a few other cool folks. I think you'd have a blast.

[flvegan]

55. Even if you're right...

I still get to go down swinging for him, right?

Tell me, as I respect your opinion...why will you be right?

As for Chicago...I'm bookmarking your post. Be forewarned. *make threatening eyebrow movements here*

[Blue-Jay]

69. Swing away, Merrill.

Tell me, as I respect your opinion...why will you be right?

As an idealist, I'd rather not be right. As a realist (pragmatist), I suspect that I am correct. Because the corporate-owned media will continue to portray Dennis as a fringe-candidate, he'll not get a chance at securing the Democratic nomination. So then what? We're stuck with the "least worst" candidates. It's a sad fact, but a fact nevertheless.

As for Chicago... despite our past dumb sparring sessions, I think we'd have a fucking blast. I know of some awesome restaurants that allow "your kind" admittance. :D

[flvegan]

75. Shhh...

I reserve the right to hope for your incorrectness. One which you'd embrace were it the case.

I know, I know.

I think we would as well, Mark...OUR kind.

Hey, when I'm in Chicago, I've got it in writing here...you gotta be all kinds of nice to me 'n shit. w00t!!

[Blue-Jay]

76. bah.

I'll still stick your hand in warm water when you're sleeping, fucko.

[flvegan]

77. And when I get up

as a result, I'll piss in your mouth. Unless you're face-down at the time.

Wa-wa-wa, Chachi.

[Blue-Jay]

78. That would probably taste like cabbage with a hint of birch bark.

It takes more than that to scare me, Headlock.

[Danger Mouse]

53. recommended.

'meet the new boss, same as the old boss.'
if we want the same crap as before, then by all means, hillary clinton is the way to go.
dennis is the only cantidate whose views best reflect mine.

[flvegan]

56. Thanks, Elrond.

Well said.

Well said.

[toadzilla]

60. I'm really torn about voting for Dennis and writing in Al

[man4allcats]

61. K & R! Dennis gets my vote, too!

With so many candidates from both major parties, you'd think there'd be more than one that puts the Constitution first. Well that's okay. We only need one. Go, Dennis!

[slowry]

64. K et R n/t

[mvd]

65. I do, too

I even think Dennis is electable. But the fact is that he won't be winning the nomination. We will have to put just about everything back together again after Bush's wrecking for 8 years, and any of our candidates will get that process started. If a Repuke gets in, the foundations could collapse.

[scarletwoman]

67. "Error. You've already recommended that thread." (nt)

[flvegan]

74. He deserves a couple Recs.

Agreed.

[Buzz Clik]

111. You must be from Chicago. You only get to vote once at DU.

:evilgrin:

[BigBearJohn]

68. For once I will follow my heart... . I WILL VOTE FOR KUCINICH!!!!

[flvegan]

71. Nice!

:thumbsup:

[Hippo_Tron]

73. Cue Mick Jagger

[Quixote1818]

79. If he were a front runner he would probably be saying the same things Obama and Hillary are sayin

When you are getting 1% your only chance is to talk about impeachment and to say things the media won't let the leading candidates say.

[NoGodsNoMasters]

80. What good does that do?

Yes, you'll have voted with you're heart. I'm all for being principled, but discretion is the better part of valor. Are you willing to run the risk that the GOP keeps the white house where YOU'D BETTER BELIEVE they WILL start war with Iran. Hillary's too far to the right but I think she's just posing to get the center-right demographic, and I find it highly improbable she would deliberately attack a country that has never harmed us. AFTER the election, push for campaign finance reform, a federal fund, included in the budget, that would supply the base of every campaign, and if you're gonna allow contributions, put a stiff cap on those contributions, and who they can come from, THEN kucinich will be playing on an even field. Voting against the nominee is essentially voting republican. This is an illogical stance, and you're personal misgivings shouldn't be more important than the safety of americans and foreigners that could be jeopardized if the right wingers get it again.

[man4allcats]

86. I respect your views, but we've heard all this before,

and what it got us was Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. It's long past time to put the nonsense aside and start doing what's right rather than what's expedient. Given the Democrats' truly remarkable propensity for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, there is every possibility the GOP will retain the White House in 2008 anyway, and even if they don't win it legitimately (let's face it - in the last two elections they didn't) they might very well steal it again. I am less and less willing to vote for Hillary if she gets the nomination, and I used to be a big fan of hers. I could always write in Kucinich (1st place!), Gore, Gravel or Richardson, any one of whom would be preferable to another DLCer like Hillary. Ultimately, somebody has to do what's right. I guess it might as well be me and flvegan and others of like mind. We didn't plan to be patriots and heroes. It just happened. Maybe it's just a case of being in the wrong place at the right time.

Here's lookin' at you, Kid.

[NoGodsNoMasters]

204. I don't think it's so cut and dry.

I don't think the comparison between Reid/Pelosi and Hillary in the white house is accurate. Here we have a few senators, admittedly probably not our favorites, who are grappling with the administration who's frankly steering the ship. With a democratic administration the playing field is totally altered. Theres' no comparison. I'm all for taking stands, write you're congressman, arrange a protest, start a petition, or if you feel the need go Seattle '99 style and flip over cars and shit, hey, say what you will, it worked. But i fail to see how voting for a candidate who has NO CHANCE IN HELL, helps anybody. Even if you work you're fingers to the bone campaigning for this guy, it'd take a miracle if he even came in third. As i said, standing up for a principle is noble, but theres' a fine line between honorable and stupid. And I question the definition of heroism and patriotism if they are dependant on voting for a losing candidate. I just don't see what you'll prove, or accomplish, beyond perhaps handing the vote to the republicans. This is a problem with the left in general, the right is one big machine, all on the same page, which is, admittedly easier because they're positions are very simple. The left, however, is more inclined to fight with itself than the other side. It's time for a little solidarity. And, to be honest, POLICY-wise, I like Kucinich's ideas the best,.....but I'm still not going to vote for him.

[man4allcats]

223. "theres' a fine line between honorable and stupid"

I would say there's a fine line between pragmatism and the kind of compromise that borders on the unethical if not the immoral.

[Indi Guy]

82. Kucinich genuinely speaks truth to power.

I like Biden, Richardson, & Dodd as well - for similar reasons. All of the front runners have major negatives for me:

Clinton talks a good game, but she's taken more Wall St. money than any Republican.

Obama is an honest man, but lacks experience.

Edwards also talks a good game, but he's in bed with hedge funds.


Hopefully '08 will be a dark horse year.

[Buns_of_Fire]

89. "Dark horses" are fine. After all, who would have thought that an obscure peanut farmer from Georgia

could actually become President?

(Of course, who would have thought that a pampered, no 'count good-for-nothin', drug-addled, alcoholic, sadistic, cowardly, asshole frat boy could actually become president, either? I'll chalk it up to a tragic aberration in the body politic -- this time.)

[Indi Guy]

97. I was speaking about the Dem side

not about how the Reps were elected by 5 votes in the SCOTUS 2,000.

[2rth2pwr]

83. It's not the seeing of a UFO thats goofy

It's the directions he heard in his head.

[JeffR]

84. Me too

Great post!

[Norrin Radd]

85. k+r

[Donald Ian Rankin]

87. Your inverted commas are just silly.

To suggest that the people most Democrats want to be the presidential nominee are in some way less "true democrats" than someone with negligable support like Kucinich is foolish.

[cali]

88. who cares? n/t

[LeftyMom]

93. As I type, this thread counts at 54 recs. Clearly somebody cares, even if you don't.

But have a lovely evening anyhow. :hi:

[sniffa]

193. who are you responding to?

:shrug:

[NMMNG]

178. I do

You have a nice day now. :hi:

[hootinholler]

188. You care enough to ask.

:hi:

:rofl:

-Hoot

[Forkboy]

190. who cares that you dont?

[JTFrog]

90. Their fear is showing with the attempt to

defame him with the UFO thing. After all, he stood up and told us the Emperor has no clothes. They don't want us to believe him.

[Voltaire99]

91. Only one problem: Dennis himself will settle

If past history is guide, Dennis' quixotic bid will end with him giddily flushing his principles as he gives a stirring convention speech for the pro-war, pro-corporate candidate.

Just as he shilled pathetically for Kerry in '04, so will he be doing his singing cricket routine next year for Hillary.

No, if one isn't going to settle -- and I won't settle, either, indeed screw that -- we'll need a candidate of sterner stuff than Dennis.

[Tarc]

119. That's why I would respect him

If he loses the primary, the worst thing a candidate can do is pick his ball up and go home. It is childish and destructive to not support the eventual party nominee. Kucinich did the right thing in `04.

I'm tired of hearing about IRANIRAQIRANIRAQ over and over and over. Fuck them all. There are bigger problems on the table, like deciding the course of the Supreme Court for another generation. Ginsburg and Breyer are not going to last much longer, so do we want to see like-minded, sane SC nominees? For all that you fault Hillary or Obama or whoever, they sre as hell are not going to be putting out a pair of Scalitos.

Look at the bigger picture, everyone. Please.

[liberal N proud]

92. Great! - You support your candidate to the end

That is the way it should be. This is the process and the way it should be.

But what if your candidate does not get the nomination? Then what do you do?

[caseycoon]

94. Dennis is the only one! n/t

[johncoby2]

95. Good for you.

When Kucinich does not recieve the nomination, and he wont, what will you do? Support the Democratic candidate or join independent underground?

[NotGivingUp]

96. I'm not willing to settle either...Dennis Kucinich is the only one I will vote for. n/t

[Pooka Fey]

99. I want Dennis Kucinich too. K&R

[LynneSin]

101. I don't mean to be rude but just because I'm not a kucinich supporter doesn't make me a "dems"

We're all democrats regardless of who our candidate is that we support. (well ok, if you support the republican or independent ones then definitely not a dem or a "dems")

I almost was digging your post until you decided to insult everyone by calling non-kucinich voters "dems"

Get the fuck over it - we're all democrats. You don't need to support my candidate in order to be considered a democrat (btw - it's Biden).

[flvegan]

113. Wasn't referring to DUers, LynneSin, thanks.

[LynneSin]

116. neither was I

It's a big tent

[LoZoccolo]

102. UFO, lol! n/t

[sendero]

103. I'd like Kucinich...

... but I'd settle for Edwards.

I'm done with HRC and Obama, if not for the SCOTUS nominations I would not vote for either of them.

[LWolf]

104. I'm with you on this one. n/t

[stuartrida]

105. Kucinich is my last choice for the nomination, but I would still hold my nose and vote for him

if he is our nominee. He'd be a mediocre President in my opinion, but he would be much better than anyone the Republicans nominate. If that is "settling" so be it.

[Dawgs]

106. Sorry, I want a winner with realistic ideas.

[midlife_mo_Jo]

216. Same here.

I want change, and I want someone who can deliver.

[rjones2818]

236. You want the status quo.

You just don't know it.

[april]

107. ditto

[rockybelt]

108. Denni

I' with you 300% for Kucinich!!!! However, I am conducting a poll and out of , so far, 7 responses, only 44% even know who he is.
I believe Dennis must educate people about himself more and find a way to get the MSM to recognize that he exists.:bounce:

[HughBeaumont]

110. Rec;d Rec'd REC:D!!!!

I'm not settling either. Edwards or Kucinich. No Clobama.

[terrya]

115. Excellent, well said...recommended

I am going to vote for Kucinich in the Illinois Primary. Obama will probably win it...he's a favorite son, after all. But I just can't consider voting for him now after he embraced the politics of bigotry last weekend. That's a dealbreaker. And anyone who doesn't understand that...you can go fuck yourselves. I'm too goddamned tired of trying to explain why polticians shouldn't pander to people like that.

As for your other comments, flvegan. I agree down the line.

Excellent post.

[progressoid]

117. Me thinks you aren't actually sorry.

[MuseRider]

118. I'm with you.

I will not settle again. I am too old to be voting for people whose views disgust me. Write in if I have to in the general but the primary caucus here will see me standing with Dennis K.

[Highway61]

120. They HATE Dennis

as he speaks the truth. He is the ONLY one who brought up war crimes and the big "I" word last night...so they quick had to portray him as some kind of wing nut. Richardson, just a few days ago, said if he were elected he would reopen the Roswell incident. Did Tim say anything to follow up on that? Heck, what am I thinking, that would be good journalism. I can only pray the American people are smart enough to see through it. The GOP is so PUSHING for Hillary because when she gets the nomination...if you thought swift boating Kerry was bad...just hold on to your hats. Why do you think Rove left the White House? Hellloooooo

[goaman]

121. so what if he saw UFO

so what if he saw a UFO? Is that considered bad ??
So what if he said he felt connection in his heart when that happened?
Nobody is talking about Bush saying that God told him to attack Iraq, and so he did.
Questions like these are just ridiculous. Why ask questions that do not have anything to do with anybody running for president? Since when seing a UFO became a disqualifier for being a president???
Mass media should stop asking or reporting questions like that. Aren't there more important issues to discuss?

[NoSheep]

122. Ditto!

:applause:

[tinrobot]

123. If I don't settle, then it's Gore.

Let's just draft him.

[goaman]

125. I like Gore, but....

Did you know that when Kucinich was interviewed on Schultz ("big eddie") show a few month back he said that back in the days Gore was on his way trying to not put forth the new health reform because according to Gore's words we have too many donors from that industry before the election.
So, I like Gore, but this fact that Kucinich pointed out, makes you wonder whether he is truly on the same page on healthcare.
So before rushing to support him, let's find out all the facts. Would he be on healthcare as good as he is on global warming? Or would he be more like Hillary?


goaman

[redqueen]

124. You know, it's funny... that UFO crap came out last week...

but it took Kucinich questioning the chimp's mental health for it to get blasted on the news.

Think they're tryin to drown something else out, maybe? Something more meaningful and worthy of discussion?

[truedelphi]

147. Wouldn't it have been way cool if he had said something like

I saw something that was not identifiable as to what it is in the sky - but what about Bush talking to Jesus or Bush babbling incoherently or Bush being the worst President we've ever had.
ANd what about his uncontrollable budget, his lack of a winning strategy in Iraq, the corruption inside the Deprtment of Justice.

The only promise Bush has kept is in having the country unite - but the country is uniting against him.

[semillama]

126. as long as you vote for the democratic candidate in the general election

then I'm all for your support of Kucinich.

For the record, I still haven't made up my mind on a candidate, which speaks to the fine field of contenders we have for the primary. I'm leaning Kucinich but really like Edwards and Richardson too.

The one thing that I am adamant about is voting for the democratic candidate in the general election, because of the elephant in the room. That elephant is climate change. While everyone is screaming about the rats of the Iraq War and corporations scurrying about our feet, there's an increasingly angry elephant looking down on us and getting ready to stomp us flat if we don't do something.

And folks, you know that another four years of a Republican administration is going to be disastrous, not just in terms of climate change, but in terms of the Supreme Court make up, the economy, foreign policy, you name it.

In the simplest terms: President Hillary Clinton, if that's the nominee, is a better situation than President (Insert Republican here).

[go west young man]

127. Dennis is the only one with a real spine and a logical brain.

[in_cog_ni_to]

130. What about the General election? What if she's the nominee? Will you vote for her?

:shrug:

[flvegan]

131. Personally?

If Hillary gets the nomination as the dem candidate, then I'll vote for her, yes. Sure as hell not going to settle for another 4 years of republican rule.

[in_cog_ni_to]

132. My sentiments too! I would never vote for her in the Primary though. Warmongering doesn't sit well

with me.:(

[leftofthedial]

138. Kucinich is head and shoulders better than the other candidates

I find it sickening that capitalism has so corrupted our nation that his quality is made irrelevant by corporate money

[aquart]

139. Never apologize for voting your choice in the primary.

Apologize if you don't.

Right now, it's your DUTY to vote for Kucinich, your choice. You have an obligation to yourself, your party, and your country to make his showing as strong as possible, so that his issues MUST be taken into account no matter who the candidate is.

As for the arrogance of this so-called "apology," eh. It's no big deal unless it translates into a petulant, uncompromising refusal to vote the majority choice in the general election.

[stirlingsliver]

142. He Is The Only One That Speaks Truth To Power

As far as I can tell, Dennis is the only one of the current Democratic candidates brave enough to speak Truth to Power.

Sad to say, but that is likely the reason that the powerful (including the press) have him in their sights.

[Richard Steele]

143. Very well put. recommended

[LSK]

146. Please consider John Edwards

He seems to fit your criteria.

[Lena inRI]

148. HEAR, HEAR, fivegan. . .

. . .

I,TOO, WANT DENNIS KUCINICH !

I've finally seen his importance in leading our reform movement. . .

Dennis is our only chance.

SUPPORT A WRITE-IN CAMPAIGN FOR DENNIS KUCINICH. . .TELL ALL YOUR RELATIVES AND FRIENDS. . .DEFY THE DNC-DLC-BIG MONEY-CONTROLLED DEMOCRATS.



:kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick:

[DeeDeeNY]

149. The UFO thing will be magnified by the press

The funny thing is, more people believe in UFO's than approve of *

"To put the roughly one-third who believe in ghosts and UFOs in perspective, it’s about the same as, in recent AP-Ipsos polls, the 36 percent who said they are baseball fans; the 37 percent who said the U.S. made the right decision to invade Iraq; and the 31 percent who approve of the job President Bush is doing."

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5j3F5HG-H5U1MxP5ljJ49Vge1trxw

[femrap]

153. K and R

Me, too. I've seen a UFO....big deal. Who hasn't? Chris Matthews (Tweety Bird) absolutely makes me sick...same for Russert (Shooter's go-to boy).

I wonder who told them to ask that question of Dennis.

[john_jons]

156. I'm with you! Kucinich or 2nd American Revolution. n/t

[bigwillq]

157. I want DK too!

:bounce:

But I will settle for Biden or Dodd and Edwards out of the "Big 3"

[mike_c]

160. me too-- Kucinich is the ONLY dem candidate worth my vote, IMO...

...and certainly the only one among the current crop who will ever get it.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

164. Flvegan, I have to give you props for this post.

I do love your posts :loveya:

[La Lioness Priyanka]

165. if he doesnt win the nomination, then what?

[Raffi Ella]

168. That's good for you and good for those like minded.

The only problem?We live(or used to live)in a Democracy and Dennis is "extreme" to the other half.

Sure he talks a sweet game to us Democrats - I LOVE a lot of his views actually even though I think he's too flaky to run the country - but the other side of the spectrum sees him as opposite of almost everything they believe in.

It would be like Falwell being the other sides nom for us in my opinion.He will not be the choice of at least 50% of Americans and that my friend is a problem.

If he were a really good politician surely would pander at least to the point of gaining the interest and respect of at least a few independents and disenfranchised Republi'k's don't you think?

I suport you 100% in trying to get him nominated and if he does get it you can bet your last dollar he'll get my vote but I'm still holding out hope that Biden pulls out in front.

[ooglymoogly]

169. GIVE ME DENNIS (LIBERTY) OR GIVE ME DEATH (MOST ALL OTHER CANDIDATES)

BASTA.

[Tsiyu]

171. Don't even apologize

You don't have to apologize for having principles.

It's awesome we have Kucinich as a choice. Normally, I don't pick a favorite this early, but he has my vote.

:thumbsup:

[onehandle]

172. Fine with my as long as we all vote for the nominee in the General Election.

President Romney

President Giuliani

President Huckabee

President Thompson


How do those sound to DUers?

[Myrina]

173. I'm there, too.

Especially after that ... spectacle they called a 'debate' ... last night.


:puke:

[MyNameGoesHere]

174. I want Santa Clause

but he seems not to be on anyones radar as a viable candidate. Damn corporate media.

[Subdivisions]

175. I've said it before and I'll say it again...

Absent Al Gore, Dennis Kucinich is my man.

[SharonRB]

180. Absent Al Gore,

I've made up my mind to vote for Dodd. In the general I'll vote for whoever we get, even if it's HRC.

[datavg]

176. Well...

...you're not gonna get him. And that's that.

I thought Dennis looked really sharp last night, much better than I had seen in the past.

But he's funny looking and has a reputation not unlike Jerry Brown's in California...which is fine, but California isn't the United States. People don't want "eccentrics" in high profile positions.

So, you're gonna get Hillary. Or Giuliani. Frankly, there isn't much difference between them.

I've been saying for several years that a lot of progressives will leave the country. I continue to maintain those sentiments.

[NMMNG]

179. A hearty K&R

I'm with you. :applause:

[xiamiam]

181. Kucinich is the ONLY one speaking the truth...the truth that duers claim to want to hear...

but last night Hillary acted like she was the first to demand investigations of Blackwater..and no one on the stage other than Dennis is asking for impeachment..he deserves to be nominated for that reason alone...and dont give me he is not electable..what is not electable is the truth..even among duers...
and by the way..ive seen ufos...twice...in 1974 when tons of people saw the same thing..then there was an investigation and then its over...i hate the snickering about it...it is so stupid to think we are the only beings in the entire universe..im sorry...but the world is not flat...just because idiots snicker and think so....
ive been on the fence because i want Gore...but now, I'm leaning toward Dennis because he is unafraid to be the first unlike the rest of the so called democratic leaders...

[Gamey]

183. Go Dennis!

[The Count]

185. hear!Hear! Or Gravel. One of these two is my candidate. Not settling for demagogues

either.

[baldguy]

191. Vote with your heart in the primaries -

Vote with your head in the general. Without your support the Republicans win.

ANY of the Democratic candidates are light-years better than ANY of the GOP candidates.

[Michael101]

192. Why does everyone say they like Dennis but cannot win....

If I'm going to vote for him, and you're going to vote for him. There may be a lot of people saying this. Translation= a lot of votes for Dennis. Stay positive, we can do this!

[Seabiscuit]

198. DK won the DFA straw poll among current declared candidates.

If he can win that poll he can win the nomination.

Fuck the MSM.

[Odin2005]

195. Kucinich will never get the nomination, period.

He just won't, any more then Ron Paul having a chance at the Republican nomination. The ideological purists supporting him can scream, bitch and moan and moan and moan all they want, it wont do anything to help DK. The nominee will be either Clinton, Obama, or Edwards; now, you ideological purists can quit cutting off your noses to spite your faces and vote for Edwards or Obama, or else you are aiding and abetting Hillary getting the nomination, your choice.

[Seabiscuit]

199. You have what appears to be unbridled faith in what the MSM feeds you.

I will vote for DK in the California primary unless it appears by then that he doesn't stand a ghost's chance in hell AND it looks like my vote could push Edwards ahead of Hillary. Then and only then would I switch my vote to Edwards (my third choice behind Gore (not running now) and DK).

[Odin2005]

224. So the poll numbers are total fabrications In your opinion?

And maybe the reason he isn't being followed by the MSM may be simply BECAUSE of his low poll numbers and not the other way around?

In any case, IMO Dennis should be Speaker of the House, he's do far better as our country's Chief Legislator then he would be as our Chief Executive. One has to remember then when it comes to the Presidency personality, charisma, and leadership ability are just as important as the issues are (why do you think people like Bill Clinton so much even though his economic policies weren't terribly progressive?), while in Congress personality and charisma is not nearly as important. DK just doesn't have the personality, executive-type leadership skills, and charisma to be a good president.

[DFW]

196. After the last six and a half years.....

I'm willing to settle!!!!!!!!!!

I've been around the block (OK, world) too many times
to go home and take the ball with me when my team doesn't
win. What I want is something I won't get. What I NEED is
for the Republicans to be out the White House ASAP. At least,
that is something I have a shot at getting. Maybe not with my
man, but I'll settle for it not being Giulani, McCain, Romney
or Thompson. Once that's taken care of, THEN I'll focus on
upgrading if I can.

[Seabiscuit]

197. DK is the only politician in Washington telling it like it is.

It's a sad day in hell.

[Megahurtz]

202. Totally Agreed!

[Magleetis]

203. Kucinich

and Gravel are the only candidates that make sense to me.

[govegan]

205. No need to be sorry about it.

Kucinich is head and shoulders above the rest in moral stature, intellect, vision, statesmanship and much, much more.

Kucinich is the one needed to carry the illumination of clarity, creativity and courage into a world gone mad (to borrow a phrase from Frances Moore Lappe--whose newest book is excellent, by the way).

Kucinich "gets" the spiral of empowerment.

All of the candidates have some good points and some good qualities, but so do most folks--and that doesn't make them presidential or even leadership material.

[ideagarden]

207. speaking of UFO's

Didn't NASA recently open a large array of SETI's recently?

http://www.seti.org/news/features/Inauguration-Day-for-ATA.php

This was like 20 days ago from today (10/31/07). So don't get all weird about a UFO unless the person is wearing a foil hat.

[sueh]

208. I stand with you.

I connect with Dennis Kucinich. My issues are his issues. I will gladly cast my ballot for him in the Feb 5th primary.

[BrightKnight]

210. .

[BrightKnight]

211. LOL - Hey Rockey, watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat! - n/t

[flvegan]

213. Okay, Bullwinkle...have at it.

[Kazak]

214. He's my fallback...

;)

[OzarkDem]

217. Al or Dennis

the rest are pretty lukewarm.

[Vincardog]

222. You and me both flvegan nt K & R

[bagrman]

225. Kuchinich and Dodd will work fine together. No more, best of the worst.

[Fearless]

226. DK Cool!

:patriot:

[NorthCarolina]

227. Which Is The LEAST Strange?

(1) Hillary Clinton Talks to Eleanor Roosevelt
http://www.cnn.com/US/9606/24/clinton.houston/

(2) Bush Say's "God Speaks Through Me"
http://www.irregulartimes.com/godspeaksthroughme.html

(3) Kucinich Say's I once saw an Unidentified Flying Object (ie I didn't know what it was)


After roughly 30 nanoseconds of careful consideration and soul searching I find that #3 is BY FAR the least strange.

Now can we all just quit giving the controlled media so much power and get back to saving this country from certain DOOM?

I'm with Kucinich all the way.

[flvegan]

234. Welcome to DU!!!

He didn't seem to imagine those WMDs either, did he?

[Oldenuff]

228. He showed me what his core values are already by..

Not voting for that P.O.S Patriot Act.Name me one other (Dem) candidate that had the INTEGRITY to do that,and I will consider them.And please,don't give me that argument that this or that candidate has changed their mind on the PA...it's too dam* late for that.If they couldn't do the right thing in the first place,then they have NO RIGHT to suddenly declare that they have the best interests of Americans at heart.

It's line in the sand time.

Do we (as Democrats) believe in the Bill of Rights and the Consitution?Well,it's PUT UP or SHUT UP time.

I'm a Democrat,but I DO NOT "OWE" a vote to the official nominee,I will vote my concience this time,and in the general election.

Voting for one of the frontrunners is a little like saying.."Give me liberty,or give me something else".

[ape_descendant]

229. Kucinich

Quite frankly, Kucinich is the only Democratic candidate I'm willing to vote for. He's the only candidate that even approaches a real leftist position on any issue. Assuming he loses the primaries, I will vote third party. I will vote my conscience.

[flvegan]

235. A hearty Welcome to DU to you!

Thanks for making your first post here on this thread.

[southerncrone]

230. Many, many people have seen UFOs, but never mention it for the same reasons

that were displayed in the debate. Ridicule.

I'd venture to say that there are a lot of people who would vote for DK because he saw a UFO & they feel a bond w/him because they have, too.

Hope this backfires on MSM.

[Dinger]

231. Kick, and A Rec # 147 From Ding Comin' Your Way!

[flvegan]

237. Thanks, Ding.

Much appreciated.

A Kick for Kucinich.

[LeftyMom]

239. 152?!?!

You done good. :loveya:

[datavg]

240. Doesn't Really Matter...

...what you want.

You "wanted" Dukakis in 1988. The Republicans beat the living shit out of him.

You "wanted" McGovern in 1972. Nixon carried forty nine states against him.

You "wanted" Mondale in 1984. Once again, the 'Pubs carried forty nine states against the Democratic candidate.

If the other night is any indication of what's coming, Democrats may once again engage the circular firing squad and give us another Republican in 2008. Hillary didn't look good at all. Edwards looked better (even though he doesn't have any money) and Obama looked like he was out of his league.

What we need is Gore.

[LeftyMom]

241. hmmmm

Do you know something about the OP I don't? 'Cause I'm fairly sure he didn't give a shit about McGovern, on account of being an infant at the time.

Oh wait, you got yourself a nice little DLC warning label on. I'll spare any further electrons. :eyes:

[Name removed]

242. Deleted message

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[LeftyMom]

243. Opinions are like assholes,

everybody's got one, and they all show up in GD eventually.

[Moochy]

244. Project much?

Welcome to ignore, you evoker of violent psychosexual imagery.