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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 01:46 PM
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Gore Surges to Strong Second Behind Clinton in CBS Poll
Although he is not even a candidate, Al Gore has surged to second place in a new poll released today by CBS. When his is added as a choice for the Democratic nomination, he garners support of 32 percent of primary voters, while Clinton gets 37 percent, Obama 16 percent, and Edwards 7 percent.

Read column in The Hill's Pundit Blog:

http://pundits.thehill.com/2007/10/26/oil-soars-fires-r... /

Read details on the poll:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/10/25/opinion/polls...
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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 01:55 PM
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1. And MSM hasn't talked much about this

even though it's a huge story. Only 5 points separating
Gore from the lead and he hasn't even announced. Can
you imagine if he did announce? he'll leave everyone in
the dust.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 02:03 PM
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3. Regarding the MSM:
If Gore does enter the race, do you think the corporate media will rouse themselves to report it? :evilgrin:

Worthless schmucks.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 02:17 PM
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9. I agree...
...that they are worthless schmucks. However, if Gore
does enter the race, it will be massive, widespread news.

Gore entering the race will be a big story. There's no
way they'll be able to ignore that.

However, if he does enter the race, I'm sure they'll spend
a fair amount of time downplaying his speeches, lying about
what he does say and trying hard to leverage corporate-Hillary.

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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 02:48 PM
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16. Of course this is a CBS poll from today, maybe they will report it on TEEVEE at some point.
Still, they're just terrible schmucks overall. :-)
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 06:15 PM
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30. Maybe, But Even In This Article, Gore #'s
garner only a mention at the end of the article.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 08:38 PM
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31. It's like I say...
they're hopeless schmucks. No doubt about it. :-)
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 02:32 PM
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11. Only to be used against him,
they wanted his campaign money a long time ago.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 02:04 PM
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4. and they won't because he isn't the one who has been chosen to represent us
:eyes:
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 05:52 PM
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29. Great point!
Wasn't it nice when we got to make our own choices? Oh for the good ole days. LOL
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Marnieworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 02:05 PM
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5. What do you think he is waiting for?
I have been patiently holding out hope for a very long time but now I have almost given up. I don't understand what he is waiting for now. He is someone who wanted to be president his whole life and no one more than Al Gore has contemplated the "what-ifs" since 12/2000. He knows what needs to be done and clearly is passionate about it. He must know about these polls. So what is he waiting for? And if he isn't waiting why in the world would he let this opportunity for himself, the country, and the world pass him by?
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 02:05 PM
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6. One peculiar thing that I noticed,
when the media was speaking of the impact of the spouses of the potential Presidents, they referred to Bill Clinton as First Husband, I always thought the opposite of First Lady was First Gentleman, go figure? :shrug:
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 03:45 PM
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19. It's a way of trivializing the issue. Next they'd call him a "house-husband". Bill jokes that...
...he'd be called "First Laddie" -- but that's a joke/pun for him to make on himself, you know.

Hekate

having some difficulty making the "post message" function work; hope I am not posting multiple copies

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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 02:16 PM
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8. They don't want Gore to run
if (and when) he declares, believe me, they will be shaking in their boots. The media doesn't want Gore to run because their lies and manipulation of news about Gore will come to light. The internet of 2007 is a far cry from the internet of 2000. Our ability to fight back has increased and the corporate media know it. We now have the ability to share information amongst each other and to get the attention of the American public. We can pull up old articles and video clips and demonstrate how many of the talking heads and so-called journalists played fast and loose with the facts.

They will be held accountable if Gore runs and they don't want to be. For one thing, they're doing everything they can to pigeon-hole him. The 2007 Nobel Peace Prize winner comes out with three videos (each less than a minute long) two days after winning and the media says nothing. The 2007 Nobel PEACE Prize winner comes out says that we need to get out of Iraq and the press says nothing! Don't you find that bizarre. Why? Why no coverage? Because it would get some people thinking that we wouldn't even be in Iraq if Gore had been rightfully sworn it and the media can't afford that. They need to cling to what little credibility they have left and that won't happen if Gore jumps in.


K&R





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weeve Donating Member (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 03:44 PM
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18. I truly believe...
... that the primary reason that Gore may not run is his knowledge of how the mainstream media will denigrate his candidacy, and do everything in their power to keep him from winning. I will never forget how in that month after the 2000 election, Ted Koppel and the ABC Nightline thugs would almost DAILY whine about how Gore must give up his legal fight for, get this, THE GOOD OF THE COUNTRY. Their behavior was disgusting. Now after having read Gore's "The Assault on Reason", specifically his chapters on Big Media and the importance of an unfettered internet, it's obvious they will do the same again should he run. Which is EXACTLY why he MUST run !! Otherwise this regular four year cycle of having my hopes crushed at election time will become unbearable.

Oh and for what it's worth, I just stumbled upon the upcoming schedule for Jay Leno's The Tonight Show ...

Th 11/8: Former Vice President Al Gore

Just sayin' ....

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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 03:58 PM
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20. THANK YOU for the heads up!!
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 04:04 PM
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21. Are you suggesting Gore would announce on 11/8 on the Tonight Show?
Edited on Mon Oct-29-07 04:04 PM by Alexander
He'd miss some primary deadlines, if that's true.

Then again, he might be able to afford to miss them. He's already missed the Michigan primary deadline, but then those delegates aren't really counting anyway.

November 1 Filing Deadline for Georgia Primary

November 1 Filing Deadline for South Carolina Primary


The South Carolina primary he could probably miss, given that Edwards will probably take it - and Colbert's candidacy could crack the whole race open.

November 2 CNN Debate
Democratic candidates debate on CNN. Cosponsored by Nevada Democratic Party.

November 5 Filing Deadline for Illinois Primary


I suppose he could miss Illinois if he's going to cede it to Obama, but then again - why willingly give up the opportunity to win delegates?

If you're right, and he announces on the Tonight Show, he'd be set back in that it would be impossible to win any delegates from Georgia, South Carolina (an early prize) and Illinois (a big prize). He'd miss one debate as well, which is almost secondary to willingly giving up delegates.
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 05:30 PM
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26. November 2 is the ballot deadline in NH as well. n/t
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weeve Donating Member (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 05:47 PM
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28. Just sayin' ...
... that the Tonight Show has been used in the past by some biggies to make their announcement. Still, I'd hope now that there's a little Nobel prestige on his shoulders, he'd choose other than the Jay Leno/Arnold Schwarzeneggar/Fred Thompson route. Still, exposure IS exposure.

My actual hope is that Al will announce Sunday or Monday ( in time for Illinois, really the only BIG deadline in the group ). It'd definitely be the BIG #1 story Monday, and actually for the next few days after ... and THEN three days later Gore is on the Tonight Show, looking great, joking, etc.

I hope I'm not setting myself for the BIG disappointment a week from now, as the blow to this planet's future and the final extinguishing of my political dreams would be such a crushing blow. So, until a week (or so) from now ... I'm KEEPING HOPE ALIVE !!
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 08:53 PM
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33. In 2003, he announced that he WASN'T running on the Tonight Show...
Maybe it will be the opposite this time around.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 09:26 PM
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36. Where did you find that info?
I'm not seeing it on their page.
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weeve Donating Member (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 03:03 AM
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40. I found it on ...
...this website :

http://www.interbridge.com/lineups.html

which is actually kind of cool. Tells you two weeks in advance who is going to be on all the talk shows. I'm sure there are always last minute changes, but it's updated regularly.

This would be a great week for Gore to announce ... almost seven years to the day when he technically won the 2000 election ( Nov. 7, 2000 ). Man, I'm spinning those prayer wheels somethin' fierce this week !!
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Stuckinthebush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 02:03 PM
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2. Damn!
Just imagine if he was a candidate....he'd be way ahead.

Oh well...
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 02:14 PM
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7. If 46% of Democrats support Al Gore now, how many more will support him if he became a candidate?
I was thinking: this coming election is Gore's if he wants it; if he doesn't run, it will only raise my suspicion about our elections being controlled by corporations, which Gore wouldn't want to go up against. I sure hope I'm wrong.

The entire "Hill" article was worth the read:

(...)

Gores appeal is not merely his experience as vice president, congressman, senator and Nobel Laureate but the larger truth that he is a champion of a sweeping worldview and a fearless opponent of Bush wrongs at a time when throughout the nation, Democrats and independents believe their Washington-based leaders have been timid, fearful and ineffective.

Hillary is not part of the solution, she remains part of the problem, having supported the Iraq resolution in 2002, supported the Iraq war from 2002 through 2006, and supported the Lieberman Iran resolution barely hours ago.

(...)

Eisenhower warned us about George W. Bush and what Ike called the military-industrial complex. That complex has now metastasized into the military-industry-oil-war profiteering complex that is promoted with a politics of fear and powered by a drive to stifle debate, intimidate dissenters and put core personal freedoms under attack in ways comparable to what happened in the era of Joe McCarthy.

(...)

The truth is, the front-runner lacks the core convictions and political courage to stand foursquare against these wrongs. The main challenger lacks the stature and strength to take this fight to the country, Americans throughout the nation disapprove of the politics of fear of Bush and the fearful reaction of many Democrats, and Al Gores strength in the CBS poll suggests he stands where Democrats want to be.


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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 02:28 PM
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10. Yes, I agree, it's a very good read.
:kick:
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 02:50 PM
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17. Well worth the read.
I had just read the blurb and didn't know there was a larger article. Thanks for pointing it out. It was worth the read. It was definitely more insightful than most articles I have read.

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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 02:33 PM
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12. This country needs a populist (GORE) over a corporatist (Clinton) so...
RUN AL RUN!
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 04:19 PM
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23. yeah right. Gores a populist.
And George Bush is a compassionate conservative. :eyes:
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 04:37 PM
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24. I believe the Internet is populist in nature as
it allows the individual to communicate through or around the corporate media filter. Al Gore in spite of corporate media slander to the contrary was the prime political champion of the technology that empowered the people over the media's monopoly of information. I believe this was their prime motivation for slandering him, I call it the Prometheus Effect, so in that regard, yes Al Gore is populist.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 09:41 PM
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37. and what better method for a populist to communicate than having a 2 way dialogue
with the public as opposed to the 1 way message from other candidates.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 02:59 PM
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42. I can't think of one, mod mom.
:hi:
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 05:29 PM
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25. Even the corporatist DLC claimed Gore as a populist (blamed his "loss" on it:
Strange Theory on Why Gore Lost



The so-called Democratic Leadership Council has decided that Al Gore should have acted more like a Republican in order to win the 2000 presidential electoral college vote in addition to his nationwide popular vote victory. This strange finding has drawn some attention, including coverage by the Associated Press and the Environmental News Service -- we have a few excerpts from their reports for you here.
Al Gore, the self-styled environmental candidate in the 2000 Presidential election, lost his bid for the White House because he campaigned on an outdated "populist" platform that was too liberal for most Americans, according to a new report drafted by the Democratic Leadership Council.

The 40-page report, titled "Why Gore Lost, And How Democrats Can Come Back," concludes that the Democratic Party must move towards the political right -- towards the Republicans -- if it wants to regain control of Congress in 2002 and the White House in 2004.

Al From, the DLC's founder and CEO, opened a freewheeling discussion forum by arguing that Democrat Al Gore made a huge tactical mistake by continually emphasizing that he would "fight for the people and not the powerful" as the nation's first president of the 21st Century.

-snip

http://www.progress.org/goredlc2.htm
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 05:32 PM
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27. Here's a Boston Globe article about Gore finding populism in 2000:
Published on Sunday, August 20. 2000 in the Boston Globe
Thank You, Al Gore
by Robert Kuttner

A funny thing happened to Al Gore on the way to his surprisingly effective acceptance speech. He became a liberal.

The speech was as liberal as anything FDR or LBJ or Jesse Jackson or one of the Kennedys might have delivered. It was built around a commitment to fight for ordinary people, against large and powerful interests. This, of course, is precisely what made it effective.

The emotional heart of the speech, Gore's honoring of four ordinary American lives, did not just salute the struggles of workaday families, the way Ronald Reagan often did. It identified who was dishonoring their struggles - corporations. He singled out heartless HMOs who pressure a family to sacrifice a child; drug companies that force a pensioner to choose between food and medicine; corporate polluters; corporations that pay workers inadequate wages.

And he identified the solution: strong, reliable public Social Security; better Medicare; welfare reform that rewards work rather than punishing the needy; higher minimum wages; and more investment in public - not voucher - schools, so that working families don't have to send kids to crumbling classrooms.

What is the evil? Corporate power. What is the remedy? Effective government.

-snip
http://www.commondreams.org/views/082000-105.htm
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 03:25 PM
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44. Not like the Internet, Current TV and the environment are populist issues or anything...
As we all know, Gore's been on the side of corporations since Day 1 on those issues.

:sarcasm:
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 02:39 PM
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13. ...
:popcorn:

I have extra if anyone wants some.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 02:44 PM
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14. Popcorn eaters must be gaining a lot of weight these days on DU.
:D
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 02:47 PM
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15. Here is something else to read, while eating your popcorn.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 04:11 PM
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22. Read that already, that wasn't popcorn reading...
that was throwing rocks at the government reading.
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 08:49 PM
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32. All Gore has to say is "I'm running'
and it is his, what was robbed from him in 2000. There is not one of those candidates who can even stand next to him, let alone in the same room.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 08:54 PM
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34. Robbed of him and ALL of us. Think of the lives lost because of that crime.
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 09:03 PM
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35. I know, I know...
Instead of imperilism we would have more Socialism (not the Nazi kind either), things would be very, very different and way better in all directions.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 11:07 PM
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38. it's more than heartbreaking, isn't it?
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 05:39 AM
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41. It is quite disgusting to see a country..
that is suppost to be a world leader acting more like a Imperialistic(on the brink of fascism) state. It is tragic and sad...They fear Socialism more then the are even concerned about fascism.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 11:09 PM
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39. Because NeoGore is "The One!"
:D

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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 03:00 PM
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43. Which is why a Gore/Obama ticket is unbeatable.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 03:27 PM
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45. Gore/Obama? You sure?
The whole McClurkin thing made Obama look pretty amateurish.

I think Gore would pick your avatar as VP, who would do a better job anyway.
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