9/11 Conspiracy group, are they a conspiracy themselves.

[Bitwit1234]

President Clinton was speaking in St.Paul, Minnesota at a fund raiser for Hillary when hecklers started about the 9/11 Twin Towers Attack by terrorist being a fraud. Rather then ignoring them President Clinton confronted them.

He said "A fraud? No it wasn't a fraud." Clinton said, as the crowd cheered him on. "I'll be glad to talk to you if you shut up and let me talk."

When another heckler shouted that the attacks were an "inside job", Clinton took even greater umbrage.

"An inside job? How dare you. How dare you. It was not an inside job."

So since this was local only people from around St. Paul and a small area in Minnesota heard about this. The MSM doesn't print anything, they can help, about President Clinton. But I find it odd that these people are showing up at predominately democratic events. Didn't they have a prominent democrat as guest on Bill Maher. Are they trying to force Democrats to get involved. I haven't heard them ever showing up at a republican event. AND if they can get into these fund raisers, they can get into republican ones.

[mattclearing]

1. Uhh...link? nt

[2rth2pwr]

2. Clinton was in on it.

The truthers are everywhere!

[renie408]

4. That was great. n/t

[Bitwit1234]

3. This was in the St. Paul Newspaper. And the Hibbing Tribune.

What the heck do you mean, Clinton was in on it? Read. Clinton opposed the guys who were saying it was a conspiracy.

[Clintonista2]

5. Um, maybe the huge "SARCASM" sign smack dab in the middle of his post might have tipped you off...?

[jeff30997]

6. Lol!

You beat me to it.

[Clintonista2]

12. Some DUers have NO ability to detect sarcasm

Sometimes I'll post (what I believe to be) the most sarcastic statement possible, and I get 100 replies that actually have taken what I said seriously. Apparently even having a big "SARCASM!!!!!!!!!" sign doesn't help either..

[jeff30997]

27. Yeah,I know how you feel.

I've seen people being badly flamed for a very obviously sarcastic post.And more often than not

the people that are "Sarcasm Impaired" are otherwise intelligent.Weird.

[global1]

42. If He Was In On It - Did You Expect Him To Admit It - Of Course He Would....

oppose these guys.

Bush Senior 4yrs + Bill Clinton 8yrs + Bush Junior 8yrs + Hillary 4 to 8yrs. = 24 to 28yrs domination by two families who continually recycle the same people into the administration

Anything is possible.

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

7. One Thing Is For Certain

IF......it was either LIHOP or MIHOP, they will NEVER, EVER, EVER.....let us find out the truth. It will make the JFK cover up look like child's play.

If you put ANYTHING past this administration, then you obviously haven't been paying ANY attention. Crackpots or not, this mis-administration is certainly capable of many things. Yes....even something like this.

Regardless, they will DIE before they let the truth get out, especially if the truth is something which will cause them great and irreperable harm.

[mondo joe]

9. It's not a matter of believing Bush, but believing physics and engineering.

[JohnyCanuck]

28. Exactly...

as explained on the web site of Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth, www.ae911truth.org :

As seen in this revealing photo the Twin Towers' destruction exhibited all the characteristics of destruction by explosions:
1. Extremely rapid onset of “collapse”
2.Sounds of explosions at plane impact zone — a full second prior to collapse (heard by 118 first responders as well as by media reporters)
3.Observations of flashes (seen by numerous professionals)
4.Squibs, or “mistimed” explosions, 40 floors below the “collapsing” building seen in all the videos
5.Mid-air pulverization of all the 90,000 tons of concrete and steel decking, filing cabinets & 1000 people – mostly to dust
6.Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic dust clouds
7.Vertical progression of full building perimeter demolition waves
8.Symmetrical collapse – through the path of greatest resistance – at nearly free-fall speed — the columns gave no resistance
9.1,400 foot diameter field of equally distributed debris – outside of building footprint
10.Blast waves blew out windows in buildings 400 feet away
11.Lateral ejection of thousands of individual 20 - 50 ton steel beams up to 500 feet
12.Total destruction of the building down to individual structural steel elements – obliterating the steel core structure.
13.Tons of molten Metal found by FDNY under all 3 high-rises (no other possible source other than an incendiary cutting charge such as Thermate)
14.Chemical signature of Thermate (high tech incendiary) found in slag, solidified molten metal, and dust samples by Physics professor Steven Jones, PhD.
15.FEMA finds rapid oxidation and intergranular melting on structural steel samples
16.More than 1000 Bodies are unaccounted for — 700 tiny bone fragments found on top of nearby buildings

And exhibited none of the characteristics of destruction by fire, i.e.
1.Slow onset with large visible deformations
2.Asymmetrical collapse which follows the path of least resistance (laws of conservation of momentum would cause a falling, intact, from the point of plane impact, to the side most damaged by the fires)
3.Evidence of fire temperatures capable of softening steel
4.High-rise buildings with much larger, hotter, and longer lasting fires have never “collapsed”

www.ae911truth.org

[mondo joe]

30. Actually, no, I meant REAL science and engineering.

[dailykoff]

48. Don't let the big brand names fool you.

MIT, National Geographic, PBS, NIST, Time-Life, CNN, and on and on -- anybody with financial ties to the feds might as well be FOX when it comes to 911.

[ben_meyers]

8. link

Clinton's 50-minute speech, which started about an hour behind schedule, was derailed briefly by several hecklers in the audience who shouted that the 2001 terrorist attacks were a fraud. Rather than ignoring them, Clinton seemed to relish a direct confrontation.

"A fraud? No, it wasn't a fraud," Clinton said, as the crowd cheered him on. "I'll be glad to talk to you if you shut up and let me talk."

When another heckler shouted that the attacks were an "inside job," Clinton took even greater umbrage.

"An inside job? How dare you. How dare you. It was not an inside job," Clinton said. "You guys have got to be careful, you're going to give Minnesota a bad reputation."

http://www.twincities.com/ci_7261910?IADID=Search-www.twincities.com-www.twincities.com&nclick_check=1

[greyl]

46. Thanks.

I would have thought the text in the OP was created by Bitwit1234.

[AntiFascist]

10. They should have shouted "Mena Airport"....

I'd like to see Clinton's response to that.

[Blue Belle]

18. What's the deal with Mena Airport?

I've never heard about it.

[AntiFascist]

23. Few people have, and if you point it out....

they start crying about Scaife and the Arkansas Project.

Basically, in the runup to Clinton's impeachment right-wing groups were trying to pin all manner of corruption on the Clintons, including involvement (as governor of Arkansas) with an alleged coke ring being run out of Mena Airport in Arkansas. What they didn't realize was that this little coke ring was likely part of a huge CIA-sponsored, $billion drug-running operation that was exposed when Iran/Contra broke open, and relates back to Bush I / Reagan and BCCI, which in fact now provides much of the basis for the foundation of the deeper 9-11 conspiracy theories. I would argue that it also explains much of Democratic complicity. Here's an informative article:

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0707/S00058.htm

Notice the Jackie Kennedy artwork.

[Junkdrawer]

11. "Inside Job" is such an inexact term. It makes it seem that Civil Servents...

planned this thing, which is, of course, absurd.

However, there are powerful groups who benefited mightily from 9/11 and the connections between these groups and what is known as "al Qaeda" is documented by several serious scholars, including Nafeez Ahmed.

Again, I highly recommend this talk by Nafeez called "Creating Terror":

ftp://www.radio4all.net/pub/files/[email protected]/2704-1-20070720-creating_terror_part1edited.mp3

[AntiFascist]

14. Excellent response...

not all members of the 9-11 truth movement are "MIHOPers" anyway.

[Junkdrawer]

17. Thanks, but DUer "Reprehensor" is the real expert on this topic...

There are still a handful of folks who make this site worthwhile.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1415451

[HughBeaumont]

26. Another great book is "The Terror Timeline", by Paul Thompson (a DUer).

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/

Can't really place him in the "Alex Jones" bunch, as his book and website is all mainstream media articles from respected sources. No rense, no anti-semetic sites, no prisonplanet, nothing dubious or ambiguous at ALL about any of the information presented. If one doesn't come away from a full read of this book at least in the LIHOP court, then I have no hope for them that they'll EVER stop trusting a government that stopped caring for it's lesser citizenry long ago.

Many groups benefitted from the events on 9/11, there IS no doubt about that.

A great deal of critics focus on the wrong questions. For instance, instead of asking "WHAT hit the Pentagon", people should be asking "Why was anything allowed to hit the Pentagon AT ALL, especially 45 minutes after they knew two planes were headed off course, both towards the direction of the Nation's Capital, and almost an hour after the Twin Towers were attacked?" They should be asking why and how the NSA, NORAD, the military, the CIA and the FBI all failed on that day and that day only? Where were the terrorist watch lists? Why did the Bewsh administration suppress prior intelligence? Why were there massive amounts of puts on the WTC's biggest tennants and airline stocks prior to Sept 11th? Why were cabinet members, mayors and authors told not to fly or changed schedules on that day? Why were there reports of people in Muslim communities here and abroad having foreknowledge of the attacks?

Science and physics can't answer these questions.

Almost nothing passes the smell test of that day. Closing the debate seems to be a little below Clinton's standards. Or maybe it isn't.

[Junkdrawer]

34. The people who want to shut down debate always pick the wackiest...

theories. Strawmen and all of that.

Fact remains: The Official Theory just doesn't pass the smell test.

[me b zola]

13. Ah, I see you are a conspiracy theorist

:tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat:

[razors edge]

19. Have you heard the one about

the Arabs who couldn't fly hijacking some planes and pulling high G maneuvers that would rip the wings off a plane while the entire US government ran simulations on the whole thing at the exact same time and couldn't figure out what the hell to do?

I tell ya, some people will believe anything.

[Ghost in the Machine]

15. The same Bill Clinton who didn't pursue investigations of Poppy Bush & Iran/Contra??

Because it wouldn't be good for the nation?

The same Bill Clinton who said "But I didn't inhale"??

The same Bill Clinton who said "I didn't have sex with that woman"??

Yeah, he's a real credible source for the truth, huh?

Bill Clinton had some good policies but he's lacking in the personal credibility department.

The only conspiracy group is the one still pushing the official story of 9-11, even after the top two heads of the 9-11 Commission wrote in their book that they were stymied from the beginning and "set up to fail".

No tinfoil needed...

[dailykoff]

36. Yes that one.

[ben_meyers]

16. How dare you. How dare you. It was not an inside job

And it's about time somebody like Clinton told these fools to stfu!

[razors edge]

20. As long as Bill tells me

he didn't have relations with them, thats good enough for me.

[RC]

21. Can you imagine the blow up if Bill Clinton would have admitted 9/11

to be an inside job? Or even if he said anything about it being a LIHOP job? The war in Iraq would have been all but forgotten.

[Ghost in the Machine]

22. Please enlighten us with your overwhelming knowledge on the subject of 9-11

Tell us what REALLY happened, so we can stfu.

waiting.....

[ben_meyers]

29. I'd rather take the word of a former President

than that of Wayne Madsen. Or does that seem like I'm just dreaming?

[AntiFascist]

31. I have news for you, Wayne Madsen fully supports Clinton n/t

[Ghost in the Machine]

33. LMFAO! No, you'd rather PARROT what you've heard others say because

you have absolutely NO knowledge of your own and have nothing intelligent to add to the conversation.

SQUAWK SQUAWK! Polly want a cracker?

Wayne Madsen is the ONLY person in the world who questions 9-11??

I said to post YOUR knowledge of the subject, not give some stupid answer a 5 year old could make up. You *should* be able to do this, since you want everyone to "stfu", right?

[ben_meyers]

37. I really don't care if you "stfu" or not

I think the troofers should heckle away any chance they get. But I also think that if Clinton wants to tell them to sit down that's his right too. It works both ways doesn't it?

Be my guest and believe what ever you want, heckle whoever and where ever you want. But if the best you can do is call me stupid, I bow to your obvious superior wisdom.

[Ghost in the Machine]

38. That's not what you said upthread now, is it?

ben_meyers (501 posts) Wed Oct-24-07 06:26 PM
Response to Original message
16. How dare you. How dare you. It was not an inside job
And it's about time somebody like Clinton told these fools to stfu!
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

So, you can call people fools and tell them to "stfu", yet you whine when someone calls your answer stupid. Yes, go back and read again.. I didn't call *you* stupid, I said you gave a "stupid answer". Big difference. Learn it. You even use derogatory terms like "troofer", but you still haven't provided one word of or one bit of proof about any of YOUR knowledge on the subject of 9-11. Therefore, my description of you as a PARROT stands firm. You have a few of the popular phrases and buzzwords down, don't you? It's too bad you still don't have a clue as to what you're talking about.

Please explain, in detail and in a way that makes sense, how buildings 5 & 6, which were between the Twin Towers and building 7, remained standing after being totally burned out by fires and took the brunt of the falling debris, yet building 7, which was a block away and had fire damage on 6 floors, suffered total collapse.

Thanks

[ben_meyers]

45. I said you can believe anything you want

That doesn't mean you aren't a fool. Cite all the nutball websites as proof that you want, I can find websites that claim that man didn't land on the moon too. They make just about as much sense.

I can't prove a negative, anymore than you can.

[Ghost in the Machine]

47. Why do you refuse to tell us what your knowledge is? I bet it's because you know NOTHING

Period. You're a parrot. If you want to see a fool, pick up a mirror.

Your reading comprehension skills are sorely lacking also. Where did I ask you to prove a negative?? I asked you to tell us what you know about 9-11. If you consider that trying to prove a negative, it reinforces my theory that you know NOTHING. You just parrot what you've heard others say and seen them type.

Please link to the post where I've cited any website at all. What's that? You can't?? What? I didn't cite ANY website in my replies to you?? OMG! You're right, I didn't!

I think the best route for you take right now would be to consider your wants and desires for other people "stfu" and do so yourself while you're behind. Way behind.

SQUAWK SQUAWK!! Polly want a cracker?

[sendero]

44. If you buy the official account..

... then you are in FACT stupid.

[global1]

43. Yeah - I Would Have Liked To Have Heard His Explanation......nt.

[Ghost in the Machine]

49. I don't think he *can* answer..... just a hunch. Parrots don't think, they just parrot..n/t

[dflprincess]

40. How dare we what?

Dare to ask questions? Dare to refuse to be good sheep and just accept what Bushco tells us?

Yes, many of the theories are off the wall, and I don't agree with the mehtods of the people at the Clinton speech, but there are many things about the official story that seem odd. For me it all goes back to PNAC wanting a "new Pearl Harbor" so they'd have an excuse to attack Iraq. 9/11 just seems a tad too convenient to me.

[Parche]

24. It WAS an inside job

But that doesnt mean that they should heckle him......:hi:

[baldguy]

25. "I'll be glad to talk to you if you shut up and let me talk."

That says it all. Dems want to talk to people who ask inconvenient questions. 'pukes want to shoot them.

[dailykoff]

32. Bill didn't exactly get to the bottom of WTC '93 or OKC '95.

And his better half, who is a senator of the state that took the biggest hit on 911, hasn't exactly gotten to the bottom of that little stunt. I think Bill is going to be hearing more and more of this on the campaign trail, and rightly so.

[earth mom]

35. How Dare You?! WTF?! How DARE You Bill! Tell the truth dammit!

:puke:

[Odin2005]

39. Good for Big Dog.

I'm fucking sick of the "twoofers."

[Rex]

41. Why not dare Bill!? Newt dared to stick you and your family into

a meat grinder! He dared!

At least you're not as bad as poor old John McCain.

The BFEE caused 9/11. Simple as that.