Dear Flat Earthers

[Stinky The Clown]

Maybe now you can start to believe the scientists?

Those SoCal fires? It wasn't god blowing his nose. It can be linked to climate change. Like the science guys said would happen.

That drought in the normally verdant Southeast? Yup, climate change again. Honestly, god doesn't hate Georgia. Well ..... not too much.

Ya know that new deadly infection thing that's going around? That MRSA? Damned if those scientists didn't predict the growing ineffectiveness of antibiotics. And no. It isn't god smiting anyone. Its a mutated bug.

But wait. Wait until your waterfront property is a half mile off shore.

Flat Earthers .... do us all a favor. Tell your acolytes, Tancredo and Huckabee, they would do us all a service by dropping out now. Maybe y'all can just go play with snakes or something ......

I'm just sayin' .........

[madinmaryland]

1. Huh, What are you talking about.

There is no climate change, and all this stuff from Al Gore is a hoax to sell his book!

BTW, the earth is only 6,245 years old!

:sarcasm:

[The Backlash Cometh]

26. Well, I just want to know what George Will has to say about this.

That's all.

[DangerDave921]

2. Maryland

It's freaking October, and I'm still using the A/C in my car. That is some freaky shit that I haven't seen in my lifetime.

[baldguy]

5. In Buffalo we have 80-degree weather today

Last year at this time we were having a snow storm.

[shadowknows69]

20. farther upstate too

Watertown will be in the high seventies today. I remember times as a kid where I would have to wear my snowsuit over my halloween costume.

[rucky]

3. I think God might actually hate Georgia.

otherwise, spot on!

[mike_c]

4. with respect...

...the socal fires are more the result of decades of fire exclusion than of global warming. Western forests and scrublands are MADE to burn-- always have been and always will. When people build in the canyons and forests out here they need to accept the fire risk that goes along with it-- it's like building on the Mississippi flood plain or in tornado alley-- nature always has the last word.

[Stinky The Clown]

9. mike, did you see 60 Minutes last night?

They had a segment on fires. They said that ....

a) the fire season is 78 days longer than it was 15 years ago

b) fires are staring abnormally high and are abnormally intense, and

c) the fires are so intense that even the Ponderosa Pines - the epitome of a species that actually *needs* fire to prosper, is not prospering at all, but rather, being killed by these abnormal fires.

It was pretty freaky that they did that segment on the day this whole SoCal thing happened.

[mike_c]

13. interesting...

I was not aware of (A). B and C are the direct result of poor fire management in the past-- fire exclusion in western forests has increased fuel density tremendously-- it's like living on a bomb, frankly-- and has caused massive changes in forest structure, species profiles, etc. As for ponderosa pine, what you're describing is the classic outcome of stand replacing fires-- fires that grow intense enough to kill mature trees, even fire dependent species like dry forest pines. The normal fire regime in western forests was once a matter of relatively frequent, low intensity fires every decade or so, with major fires occurring much less frequently. Now every fire is a major fire in much of the forested west. The ONLY way out of this is by intelligent management-- which must include letting even those stand replacing fires happen now. We will not get out of this problem by compounding it with more of the mistakes of the past, including fire suppression.

[midlife_mo_Jo]

19. Fire suppression and densely populated areas - a nightmare

Fifty years ago many of these neighborhoods didn't even exist. And with global warming extending the fire season...

[xiamiam]

24. unfortunately many of these fires are not only in canyons...nt

[kestrel91316]

6. Hey, there's no evidence of global warming right now in SoCal.

It's October. We ALWAYS (and I truly mean always) have high winds and hot, dry weather in October.

Heck, today's forecast was for temps over 100 where I am and that ain't gonna happen. I don't think it's much over 90.

One of my clients is evacuated from Topanga Canyon and a good friend is evacuated from Agua Dulce. This is actually a pretty normal state of affairs for fire season......

[rucky]

8. Then mudslide season in February. n/t

[depakid]

10. Yet the patterns of El Nino and La Nina have been linked to global warming

and they cause disparities in the "usual" rainfall patterns, and according to one commentator that I heard, in this case, stronger Santa Ana's.

Australia has been particularly hard hit by more frequent and intense "anomalies," and it's anyone's guess, but one can't help but wonder whether this year's drought and fire season aren't harbingers of things to come for the American South West, too.

[Harper_is_Bush]

15. Do you ALWAYS have record drought conditions also?

Like many things affected by global warming, there are factors that would exist regardless.

To think these fires aren't made worse by an unusually bad drought - something expected to become more the norm with global warming - is just fooling yourself.

[kestrel91316]

21. I know damned well GW is behind our steadily worsening heat

and dryness here. The 119 record in 2006 was set half a mile from where I am sitting right now.

Even without GW this is a miserable, hot, dry, windy time of year.....the GOOD thing (if there is one) is that two years with almost no rain means the brush isn't as built up as it could have been....

[Ezlivin]

7. Reply: We believe in the scientists who are on our payroll

Others cannot be trusted because their independence alters the results we need.

[Harper_is_Bush]

16. Meaning....what? n/t

[Ezlivin]

17. Uh, it was sarcasm

It was the answer global-warming-deniers would give if they were honest.

[Rhythm and Blue]

11. Unfortunately, they have a ratcheting level of denial, and when each

layer of defense is breached they simply bump it up a notch.

1. "The Earth is not warming."
2. "The Earth is warming, but humans are not the cause."
3. "The Earth is warming, but humans are not the prime cause."
4. "There is nothing we can do about it."
5. "It would be too expensive to do anything about it."
6. "The market will fix it on its own without need for government intervention."

And once the pressure is off, their denial level slowly slides back down to #1.

[spanone]

12. what do they call it? junk science....yea...

[Didereaux]

14. Flat earthers are busy preparing refreshments for the 'coming...

These people require disasters to instill fear in the faithful, if non are forthcoming they create them. hmmmm, that sounds suspiciously like our government of the last few years. There is a symbiosis as well with some businesses as well.

Anyways, here's the knicker twister of the day...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/12461951@N03/


.........

[L. Coyote]

18. One solution is so very simple. Women Power!

The "one child per women" scenario:

2010 - 6.5 billion people
2035 - 3.25
2060 - 1.8
2085 - 0.9

Now, what doesn't everyone (men excluded) understand to make this happen?

[Locrian]

25. you speake'th the turth

Not many want to admit it - and I hope you dont get blasted for it.

But the REAL issue is that we outgrew our "cage" and have simply overpopulated the planet with our species. We COULD correct it voluntarily, or the earth will do it for us....

[Triana]

22. record drought here...

...damned grass looks like straw.

I've NEVER, EVER seen it like this.

:(

[formercia]

23. It was around 80 in the Bangor Maine area yesterday.

If it wasn't cloudy today, it would be nearly as warm.

Before long, everyone will live within a thousand miles of the poles.

Ah, yes, they predicted 7 years of tribulations. Ok, Junior's been around about that long, so leave already.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

27. I actually got a blurb in the mail from a similar group.

The geocentrists, who think the Earth is the center of the Solar System, and not the Sun. They think Copernicus and Kepler were wrong.

"The Church says the Earth is Flat, but I have seen the Shadow on the Moon, and it is Round, and I have More Faith in a Shadow on the Moon than in the Church."

--- Ferdinand Magellan

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