White House is in deep water over missing Presidential records

[usregimechange]

WASHINGTON - A U.S. magistrate on Friday rejected arguments by the Bush administration and urged a federal judge to order the White House to preserve copies of all its e-mails.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21385054/

Were they "lost" due to an "archiving problem" or destroyed due to the criminal or political problems that would have ensued if they were preserved in compliance with the law? Either way * has violated another law and assisted us in making the case for impeachment.

[crim son]

1. In deep water?

I wish I could believe anything would come of this. Nothing will.

[Faygo Kid]

4. Agreed. Bush-Cheney will laugh this one off.

There is nothing they will be held accountable for, and they know it. On to Iran.

[crim son]

7. I know it. I said in 2002, on a largely conservative board,

that the shrub could murder Laura and hang her by the neck out their bedroom window in the WH and the media would find some way to find it not only acceptable but commendable. Nothing changes.

[aquart]

17. It's so wrong to want to see them try.

Bad Abby.

[hisownpetard]

14. For my own sanity, I have to keep believing that some day he will be held accountable.

If I don't believe that, I might just fold.

[Just-plain-Kathy]

27. Same here. ...n/t

[hisownpetard]

37. Good. It's nice to have company.

[yodermon]

28. Nope. Full pardon from HRC.

Believe it.

[hisownpetard]

38. NO WAY. Why would you think she'd do that?

[madokie]

34. I'll be there with you on that

we are a country of laws, no men, we must/haveto remember that

[tridim]

23. I think you're wrong

It's not going to happen tomorrow, but stay tuned. Their ship is sunk.

[hisownpetard]

13. Oh, look again - I don't think that's *water*! nt

[crim son]

18. Yeah, but these people are used to being waist-deep in shit

most of the time and still get away with smelling baby-fresh. Arghhhh!

[Lugnut]

25. I'll believe it when I see it.

It would be a first. Deep water is for peons.

[BeHereNow]

2. "assisted us in making the case for impeachment..."

And what good is that fact when we
are faced with a complicit criminal Congress?
BHN

[usregimechange]

3. your forgetting another branch of government

[BeHereNow]

6. You mean the branch that goes no where?

Investigations?
To what end?
Heh. Show me one.
BHN

[usregimechange]

9. Judicial branch

[BeHereNow]

10. And so far, they have held WHO accountable?

Crickets...
BHN

[BeHereNow]

15. I repeat...CRICKETS.

Thought so.
BHN

[usregimechange]

19. Libby, Savian, Abramoff, "Duke" Cunningham, etc

[BeHereNow]

22. Chicken feed compared to the crimes of the BFEE- so again I ask, to what end?

WHO IS BEING HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE WAR CRIMES?
AND BY WHOM?

[Toots]

36. Exactly how was Libby held responsible?

The others may have to spend a short time in some resort type federal prison but believe me their time will be far shorter than some seventeen year old black kid that gets caught with crack..

[cali]

32. Libby, Safavian, Griles

and it looks like Fine will recommend charges be brought against Gonzales. And that's just off the top of my head.

Yes, yes. I know what you're going to say: Libby didn't have to go to jail, and it's not good enough. Well, it isn't good enough, but it's not zip, as you claimed, either.

[VP505]

26. Is that the

same Judicial branch that has been packed with Reich Wing crony Judges by Bu$hCo?

[usregimechange]

30. Short of revolution, that is all we have.

[Rene]

5. The records got routed to an RNC set of servers in a Tenn company

They weren't using a WhiteHouse Lan for communication amongst their key players...they were using an RNC lan..... The judge needs to have technical help to trace them and locate the servers.

[Double T]

8. Why doesn't Congress have bush check under the furniture.......

in the WH and the Oval Office; I'm sure he'll find the missing Presidential records next to the missing WMDs and Nixon's erased tapes.

[renie408]

11. Wouldn't it be weird if it were something like this that finally caught up with them?

After all the crazy shit they have done.

And, when you think about it, this might be exactly the kind of thing that could be used to bring them down. It isn't a 'hot' issue and they are flatly in the wrong.

[TheMadMonk]

41. And you say this like it is a good thing?

"It's not the crime, it's the cover up."? Bull fuckung shit.

As far as I can see, the cover up does exactly what it's intended to do. Insulate the criminals from accountability for their true crimes.

We know that Libby (and several others) were (and are) guilty of a crime which carries death as a potential penalty. What did we get for months/years and millions of dollars worth of trouble? One lousy lieutenant on a charge which was apparent before the gavel even came down to open proceedings: Inability to "lie" straight in bed.

Yes the cover up gets them. However, the crime being "burried" goes unpunished time and time again.

The conspiracy theorists would have it that what is happenning today is the result of a criminal conspiracy that goes back to at least Nixon's time. And an argument could be made for taking it back to the thirties.

I'm even inclined to believe them.

However, if it is indeed true, then the conspiracy is even more deeply rooted than is usually claimed. And inexorably ensnared within its tentacles are those we would have as our heroes of the past and saviours of the future.

The last truly bold moves in US politics were the repeal of prohibition and "The New Deal". Virtually everything since has been horse trading and compromise.

Today both promise what they almost never deliver, and each, too often, delivers what it promises to eliminate.

[DemGa]

12. "contempt-of-court citation"? LOL Who's going to enforce it?....nt

[Individualist]

16. The cabal doesn't obey the law; they manipulate the law.

[ckimmy57]

20. Unfortunately this administration

has not been held accountable for anything they've said, done, thought about doing, plotted to do, bragged about doing and so on so why would this be any different. Bush is so damn full of himself and feels he's above the law it makes me sick to even think about another year of his bullshit.:puke:

[mmonk]

21. I'm in an extreme drought area. Can they send some my way?

[EVDebs]

24. Using Ptech software at the WH ... still... and at FAA and DoD too

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptech

"Ptech Inc. was a Quincy, Massachusetts-based provider of enterprise architecture, business modeling, analysis and integration software solutions.<1> This privately held corporation was founded in 1994, and known for its technology, which was based on a unique implementation of neural net and semantic technologies. Ptech was recognized as one New England Technology's "Fast 50" by Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu in 2001.<2> For four years in row (from 2000 to 2003), Ptech was also recognized, for their velocity of innovation in the knowledge economy, as one of the hundred companies that matters in the world of IT and Business <3> with the major names in Technology companies such as Microsoft, IBM, HP and Oracle.<4><5>.

The CEO of Ptech Oussama Ziade appeared on different television shows in the USA and has been featured on the cover of several magazines. <6>. The company was once part of UML Partners, the consortium that was convened to develop standards for UML, the Unified Modeling Language....

Ptech's roster of clients included several governmental agencies, including the United States Armed Forces, NATO, Congress, the Department of Energy, the Department of Justice, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Customs, the FAA, the IRS, the Secret Service, and the White House. Despite the media allegation that the company's was connected to terrorism, an allegation that both the US government and the company's official denied, as of May 2004 they were still contracted by several federal agencies, including the White House.

Ptech had a security clearance to work on sensitive military projects dating to 1997."

Ptech is now known as GoAgile. Go figure.

[rasputin1952]

29. Nothing new for bush to have records "lost"...it goes back to when

he was newly elected to Governor of TX when "somehow" his his driving records were "lost" and the DWI(s) were just "gone"...To top it all off, his new DL# was a fist full of zero's and the #1. I'm sure there are a lot of people that would like that to happen to their DL's...this guy has been a crook forever, he should be in jail.

[WinkyDink]

31. I think you mean "in the kiddie pool."

[The Stranger]

33. Issue the fucking order already.

[spanone]

35. i doubt it. they are above the law. they know no consequence.

[L. Coyote]

42. DoJ is part of the Executive, part of the junta, so noone is enforcing the laws for them.

This is the greatest crisis US democracy has faced. The Justice department is politicized by criminals, so who can enforce any law on them?

[earth mom]

39. Oh they'll brush this one off just like all the other fleas on the * Co administrations coat. nt

[in_cog_ni_to]

40. That's what signing statements are for!

In the psycho's regime, at least.:(