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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 08:17 PM
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I have asthma, get over it!
I have every right to breathe clean air and your smoking in public is very detrimental to my health. Please show a little consideration.

And if I cough, I'm not being dramatic. I'm literally choking on your fumes. You can stop smoking. I can't stop breathing.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 08:19 PM
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1. ...
:hug:
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 08:20 PM
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2. As the parent of an asthmatic
that has an allergy to smoke
:yourock:
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 08:21 PM
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3. They won't get over it...
because they're a bunch of rationalizing idiots.
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fizzgig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 09:45 PM
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34. you have said that about every smoker, regardless of their manners
please explain to me what i am rationalizing when i do not smoke around non-smokers? i know that not everyone smokes and that some people are very sensitive to smoke and am very mindful of that.

i make every effort to not smoke around non-smokers. i smoke in my house, i smoke in my car because those are my personal spaces. if i am out, i always ask before i light up unless i am in a designated smoking area (my entire state is smoke-free, but a few places have set up patios in the back for smokers).

so what exactly am i rationalizing? and i am not asking about my smoking itself, but my behavior around those who don't.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 09:57 PM
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39. You're certainly cool with me
Smoke away
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fizzgig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:03 PM
Response to Reply #39
42. i'm glad you don't hit us all with the same broad brush
we're not all assholes :hi:
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:04 PM
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45. speak for yourself, hitler
:P
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fizzgig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:05 PM
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46. i wasn't even talking about you, goebbels
:P
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:00 PM
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40. Personally insulting everyone who smokes won't win you many admirers.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 08:21 PM
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4. You know what the funny thing is about all of this tobacoo related stuff?
Edited on Sun Oct-14-07 08:22 PM by Gregorian
Here we sit talking about cigarettes while we miss the big picture.

Exhaust pipes.


Edited for horrible grammar accident.

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Labors of Hercules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 08:25 PM
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5. Feeling ya completely... *hack, hack*
My next door neighbor smokes in her bathroom at night and shoom... right into our bedroom. I'm going to write her a nice letter asking her to stop.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 08:30 PM
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6. What I love about these threads...
...is those who offer "car exhaust" as a sort of corrective or maybe a suggestion that those who are demanding the right to tobacco-free air are somehow hypocritical. "How dare you complain about my cigarettes," they thunder, "while all these cars drive by you, belching poisons into the air!"

As if you can drive a cigarette across the country. As if cars aren't a necessity in this sprawling land.

I'm an ex-smoker. Pack a day of Marlboro 100's for over six years. You can quit, if you choose not to be stubborn and lazy. I don't smoke anymore, and I suggest those who still do get over their childish "but the other kids do it too!' and their moronic "two wrongs make a right!" quasi-libertarian bullshit and do their part to make all of our air cleaner.

THEN we can work on the goddamned cars, okay? :eyes:
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 08:49 PM
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11. I quit recently. Smoking, not driving. So I decreased my personal pollution by 0.00001 %
Suck it up.
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Blashyrkh Donating Member (816 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 08:53 PM
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13. Yes, because ciggarettes are a bigger polluter than industrial civilisation.
It's disingenous to complain about cigarette smoke affecting your health when you live in an westernised, industrial country where companies pour TRILLIONS of tonnes of highly toxic garbage into the atmosphere.

I'd like to see every rabid anti-smoker use their argument against some of the most serious polluters on the planet, before taking their anger out on individuals who like a smoke.

It appears to be convenience rather than a real sense of outrage at the cleanliness of the air. Hundreds of companies are making the air hundreds of times dirtier than ciggarette smokers, but the entire problem is their fault.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 08:59 PM
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16. I don't care
Smoke away -- in your home, your back yard, your car. Just keep it out of my face.

So until we solve world pollution, I'll just have to literally get sick because you have no personal compassion for your fellow human being.

Although I realize pollution is a big factor, walking down the street doesn't trigger an asthma attack BUT being in a room with a smoker does. What do you think I should try to do something about first.
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renie408 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 09:05 PM
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18. I think the point is...how many threads have you started ranting about OTHER emissions?
And are you active in working towards clean air in general.

I am not a smoker and find it annoying, especially when someone smokes around my kids. None of us has asthma, but we still try to avoid smoker's indoors whenever we can.

But, while I am not generally sympathetic to the 'smoking argument', I do understand the point they are trying to make.
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Blashyrkh Donating Member (816 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 09:18 PM
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24. Hmmm "walking down the street" and "being in a room" are two different things.
I mean, If I walked 10 feet ahead of you on a footpath while smoking, would that trigger an attack?

The lack of air circulation in a room is the contributing factor to your asthma because the air contains higher concentrations of pollutants, cigarette smoke or otherwise.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 09:51 PM
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38. I'm horribly allergic to tobacco smoke
Trying to breathe around a smoker in an enclosed area feels exactly like trying to breathe underwater. It is horrible.

However, the concentration outside is generally not enough to set off my asthma unless some clod blows it right into my face as I'm inhaling, something that has happened only once or twice in my life.

I don't like the smell, but I can deal as long as it's outside.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 09:17 PM
Response to Reply #13
23. Easy targets are...well, just ... easy targets.
:eyes:
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AgadorSparticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:23 PM
Response to Reply #6
52. well said....
:applause:
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 08:31 PM
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7. And car emissions, spray scents,
bug sprays, coal fired plants, etc.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 08:40 PM
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8. You're right
The problem is just too big. Go ahead and smoke while I crawl over in the corner and have an asthma attack. Hopefully, I won't die.
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 08:55 PM
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15. Children in poor intercity areas
have more asthma and there are more emissions in these areas, just one example why is really nothing being done about?
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Thor_MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 08:43 PM
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9. If people like smoking so much, why do they throw the butts out their car window?
Once upon a time, the most common highway litter was the pull tabs from soda and beer cans. For a time, until they developed the current pop-tops, we had a deposit on beverage containers.

I'd like to see a deposit on cigarette butts. Could be called the "Keep your butt in your car" campaign.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 08:47 PM
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10. Avoid automobiles at all cost.
DANGER DANGER
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 08:54 PM
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14. I actually don't get that near
a tail pipe to be inhaling the fumes directly into my lungs. And when there is an ozone action alert, I have to stay indoors.

But I'm discussing smoking in public right now. We can work on the car exhaust in another thread.

Why does your "right" to smoke trump my right to breathe? Last time I checked, you didn't need to smoke to survive.

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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 09:15 PM
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22. Actually, I recently quit smoking...after 48 years of doing so but I'm not going to become
a smoke-Nazi-asshole like some I've encountered. You do not need to drive a car to survive either.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 08:49 PM
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12. I'll give you asthma!


Sorry, I just watched Caddy Shack earlier today.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 09:05 PM
Response to Reply #12
17.  What, when you buy a hat like this I bet you get a free bowl of soup, but on you it looks good.
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budibudinski Donating Member (216 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 09:08 PM
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19. I am allergic to bad body odor..would you please shower at
least once a day so I can breath, when by choice or by forces beyond my control, I stand next to you?
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 09:10 PM
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20. Here's what an anti-smoking DUer said near 2 years ago (in another smoking thread) ...
Forum Name General Discussion
Topic subject Shut up, crybaby
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
5333519, Shut up, crybaby
Posted by ******** on Fri Nov-11-05 01:33 PM

Go cough up blood and die.



How would you like a response like that?

We can all be proud of members of the DU "community" who express such feelings, right?

Riiight.

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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 09:28 PM
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28. Did I post that?
So why post that in my thread and throw it in my face like it's some kind of valid argument?

I'm not taking responsibility for something someone else posted, and I agree that it was wrong.

Show me where I posted something so ugly in this thread and you may have a case. I'm just making a point.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 09:32 PM
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30. You started YET ANOTHER immoderate rant against smoking ...
... in the midst of MANY such rants, fanning the flames and repeating yeat again what's been said over and over and over again. Join the mob and you are the mob.

Get over it yourself!
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 09:40 PM
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32. It was a copy cat of the original thread "I smoke, get over it"
I just changed the title to showcase a different perspective.

Did you go chastise that poster for being immoderate and fanning the flames?
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:24 PM
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54. "Waah! Waah! Waah!"
Edited on Sun Oct-14-07 10:28 PM by TahitiNut
"Daddy! Tommy did it first!!"

Color me unimpressed with such infantilism.

In saner times, "copy cat" threads get locked because they're inherently inflammatory. It's not a 'defense' - it's an admission.

Inflammatory or Flame-Bait Discussion Topics
Do not post "flame bait" discussion topics. While there is no clear line regarding what constitutes flame bait, the moderators have the authority to shut down threads which they consider too rhetorically hot, too divisive, too extreme, or too inflammatory. Please use good judgment when starting threads; inflammatory rhetoric does not normally lead to productive discussion.

Do not start a new topic in order to continue a flame war from another discussion thread.


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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:36 PM
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56. Yes, your taunts are so much more mature
Hey, feel free to alert the mods and have the thread locked.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 09:12 PM
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21. I smoke and I go out of my way to avoid non-smokers
Every smoker I know is the same way. This isn't about smoking or not smoking, it's about common curtesy, which cannot be legislated. There will always be asshats in the world who do not care about others.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 09:28 PM
Response to Reply #21
27. I do too.
But I don't think every smoker is that way. I am as courteous as I can be.
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budibudinski Donating Member (216 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 09:29 PM
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29. exactly ! Like the driver that cuts you off in traffic,
Many comparable examples to be stated, but, I too avoid impolite smokers rather than sit next to them and bitch about how annoying their personal habits are to ME.
Lots of annoying and/or dangerous habits out there. Like lying politicians, and murderous crime families. I think I despise them the most.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 09:49 PM
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35. OK, there is a HUGE difference
between annoying and potentially life-threatening.

Have you any idea what if feels like to be choking and gasping for air or wheezing because your airways are constricted? Or having to pull out your inhaler, waiting for what seems like an eternity to see if your breathing will resume or if you have to dial 911. Or how about sucking it up at the bar because you don't want to be *that* person and waking up in the middle of the night when your lungs feel like they are on fire.

I'm not talking about annoying. I'm talking about a real illness that kills hundreds every year. And, yes, there are other sources, but that doesn't mean we just ignore it because we can't fix everything at once.

Again, why does your "right" to smoke trump my right to breathe?
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budibudinski Donating Member (216 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:15 PM
Response to Reply #35
50. like I said.."annoying and/or dangerous"
Edited on Sun Oct-14-07 10:19 PM by budibudinski
I'm not arguing your point.
Just stating that there are an awful lot of annoying habits and many dangerous ones that we all deal with at any given time on any given day.

I don't know what to do about your health issues.
I don't know how to stop people from doing things that put others in danger.

As far as smoking goes..it is an addiction that is perpetrated and marketed for profit. I don't like driving the freeway with road-ragers, drunks or drug dealers or anyone who puts my life in danger because of personal behaviors either.

Not all people can quit smoking when asked or bitched at. Different methods work for different people.
And the kind of person who will make me want to turn rebel and light up another cancer-stick in their honor, is the person who goes out of their way to bitch at me for smoking...I never ever smoke around someone who does not. I dispose properly of cig butts. And hopefully the taxes I pay on a pack of cigs is truely going to support childrens health maintenance. I am OK with that. As far as quitting, well I have 'quit many times, tried many methods, and do the best I can to respect those around me.
You do what you can to end forever the production and sale of cigarettes. I will do what I can to stay out of your air space. Best we can do.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:32 PM
Response to Reply #50
55. Where in this thread
did I say I wanted to ban the production and sale of cigarettes?

This all started as a copycat of a thread that said, "I smoke, get over it." I simply wanted to express the opposite view: that some people have medical conditions that pose a very real health hazard when others smoke in public.

I didn't realize how much I had benefitted from smoking bans in the Chicago area until we went to Las Vegas for several days. I didn't even spend hardly any time on the casino floors, just walking place to place or down the street. There was so much smoke in the air, I ended up with a pretty bad asthma attack and was sick for about a week when I came back.

I don't care if anyone smokes, as long as it's not in a place where I have to breathe the air.

Behind all the hyped up rhetoric, there are very real people like me whose health is compromised by those who smoke in public.
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 09:22 PM
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25. Lights up....
:smoke: there isn't that many places I can smoke without being treated as a leper, or it being against the law...I still have the right to smoke in my own home.

Let it be. a few seconds of walking next to a person smoking shouldn't give you any more problems than that brown haze called air pollution. If that one little whip of smoke is going to drive you into fits of an asthma attack, you shouldn't be outside. A bubble perhaps?
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 09:37 PM
Response to Reply #25
31. I agree that you should have the right to smoke in your own home
And who said "one little whip of smoke " is going to cause an asthma attack. It won't and I never said it would, so no bubble required. But thank you for taking the liberty to extend my point to ridiculousness.

However, I appreciate that I can go to work and sit at my desk and breathe freely. It would be nice to go into any bars or restaurants I would like without worrying whether I'll be able to finish my meal or drink.
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 09:50 PM
Response to Reply #31
36. Bars or Restaurants....no smoking zone
Edited on Sun Oct-14-07 10:00 PM by DearAbby
in some cities, smoking in a bar or restaurant has become illegal. The only place in Public I can smoke is outside a building 15 ft from the door. or down a public sidewalk. There are the casinos, here that allow smoking. I can smoke in motel rooms designated for it. Otherwise even traveling I am not allowed to smoke in a motel or hotel room. I have to stand outside.

You won! Why the final kick?

Either outlaw tobacco or hush up, smokers are forced to live like the junkies you portray us as.

I will not apologize for smoking, it is still a legal activity. I am aware of the risks and I am considerate of others. Let it be. You won.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:11 PM
Response to Reply #36
47. Why the final kick? Because they like to whine endlessly about how mistreated they are. Poor little
Edited on Sun Oct-14-07 10:12 PM by in_cog_ni_to
anti-smoking Nazis might "smell" smoke and get CANCER. Heaven forbid the smokers have a smokers ONLY bar or a smokers ONLY restaurant with ONLY employees who smoke and no anti-smoking Nazis allowed. Nope. They want ALL BARS, ALL RESTAURANTS, ALL AIRLINES, ALL PUBLIC BUILDINGS, ALL PUBLIC PARKS, ALL HOTELS, ALL MOTELS, ALL PUBLIC EVERYTHING FOR THEM AND THEM ALONE. They're like a bunch of spoiled rotten 2 year olds who have to have everything THEIR way. Hell, here in Illinois, as of January, 2008 there's no smoking in any BAR OR RESTAURANT in the entire freakin' state. Greedy bastards. It's beyond ridiculous now and they're STILL WHINING ABOUT IT! Damn.
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 09:25 PM
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26. I have a friend who's a type 5 Bi-Polar and a shut in.
He has anxiety attacks whenever he's in a crowd, and he ceases to function...even breathing. People who are outside should go inside so he doesn't have to be afraid of going outside and facing people.

HAVE A LITTLE CONSIDERATION. YOU BEING OUTSIDE IS VERY DETRIMENTAL TO HIS HEALTH! :wow:

He's not being dramatic. He's literally choking on your existence in his presence.

We all have our crosses to bear. Take ownership your own damn disability. :eyes:
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 09:51 PM
Response to Reply #26
37. My aren't you the clever one?
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:04 PM
Response to Reply #37
44. Thank you for noticing.
...as far as missing the point, well...
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 09:44 PM
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33. I am guessing that you never breathe in car fumes? I can assume that you don't own a car or take
public transportation? Some people, especially on DU, are so self righteous.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:03 PM
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41. I know ... What is the deal with all these "fuck you" militant smokers lately?
And they think non-smokers are self righteous -- hah!
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ruiner4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:03 PM
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43. Okay.. Im over it...




*lights cig*
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Christian30 Donating Member (341 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:15 PM
Response to Reply #43
49. Do you wanna
give me a "shotgun?" I'm bored and considering smoking pot again.

Maybe when I'm coughing up blood and dying from the lung cancer, the person who started this thread will let me have a little medical marijuana.
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ruiner4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:18 PM
Response to Reply #49
51. nice....
:)...


subtle.. I liked it... :)
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:12 PM
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48. More research has to be done as to why asthma is on the rise
smoke, dust mites, scented sprays, auto emissions, cats, dogs, etc. can trigger asthma attacks. When I was young I knew of a few people who had asthma. Why is it now where you know more than a few people with asthma, I had a friend who developed asthma at 30 or so and loved her pets (both cats and dogs) and carpet, she got rid of the carpet first, but eventually had to get rid of her pets, she was heart-broken.
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Christian30 Donating Member (341 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:24 PM
Response to Reply #48
53. I wonder about that too
I do smoke and live in NYC. I don't have asthma or any other lung difficulties but I do find that a lot of other folks do. When I was younger, someone having asthma was like "oooh," Now it seems that every 3rd or 4th person has it.
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:37 PM
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57. Unfuckin' real.
Gee Prolesunited, I wasn't aware that you lived in gambling casino in Vegas. :eyes:
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Cleetus Donating Member (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:40 PM
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58. Oy Vey..
Look, I'm sorry you have a breathing disorder. Tellya what, if I'm in the casino at 4 am, relaxing with a smoke, how about you don't sit right next to me? I'm sure you're a decent person, and if circumstances were a bit different I'm sure I would enjoy the pleasure of your company, but if you see me smoking please feel free not to sit right next to me, especially if the casino is empty and there are over 1000 machines for you to chose from.

I'm diabetic, therefore there is nothing in Baskin-Robbins to get me in there. I avoid the place. I believe that my expecting the same judgment from you is reasonable. If you have athsma I would expect you to avoid a smoky casino, the same way I avoid the malt shop.

You do have a responsibility to yourself to avoid places that are smoky.

If I were waiting for the bus and you stood next to me doing the same, and I was smoking, I would move out of your way without being asked to do so. That's just common decency.
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:42 PM
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59. Oh, go buy a gun and just kill all the smokers already.
Jesus H. Fucking Christ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:48 PM
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60. yes, they must die.
all of them. must. be terminated.
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:54 PM
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61. Locking.
We discourage copy cat threads in the General Discussion forum.

Thanks for your consideration.

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