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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 04:38 PM
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Vatican publishes Knights Templar papers
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071012/ap_on_re_eu/vatican_knights_templar

VATICAN CITY - It's not the Holy Grail, but for fans of "The Da Vinci Code" and its tantalizing story line about the Knights Templar, it could be the next best thing.


Ignored for centuries, documents about the heresy trial of the ancient Christian order discovered in the Vatican's secret archives are being published in a limited edition — with an $8,377 price tag.

They include a 14th-century parchment showing that Pope Clement V initially absolved the Templar leaders of heresy, though he did find them guilty of immorality and planned to reform the order, according to the Vatican archives Web site.

But pressured by King Philip IV of France, Clement later reversed his decision and suppressed the order in 1312.

Only 799 copies of the 300-page volume, "Processus Contra Templarios," — Latin for "Trial against the Templars" — are for sale, said Scrinium publishing house, which prints documents from the Vatican's secret archives. Each will cost $8,377, the publisher said Friday.

An 800th copy will go to Pope Benedict XVI, said Barbara Frale, the researcher who found the long-overlooked parchment tucked away in the archives in 2001.
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Interesting
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 04:41 PM
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1. OTT theories about the order and its history aside, I thought this was interesting, as well.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 04:46 PM
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3. Heres the fascinating part
this researcher found a cleverly purposely hidden transcript of the Templars trial of heresy

of which the Pope Clement absolved them of but they were still put to death burned at the stake

and the price of the documents having 37 in it is so Templar and Freemason

Its pretty expensive to get a transcript why I don't know
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 04:43 PM
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2. Ooooh.
My old school has a rare books collection. This would look well in it. If they can spare the time from putting nooses on doors...
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 04:47 PM
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4. They must need to charge that much to fund their child-rape.
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 04:58 PM
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9. Shit I just lost five dollars, I thought for sure
that limp old line would be trotted out in the first two replies. I've learned my lesson about overestimating you lot.
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 07:01 PM
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16. Truth hurts?
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 02:13 AM
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17. Poorly executed cliches do. Dunno if truth does, let me know when you post some.
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 03:23 AM
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18. Funny you mention the truth, when defending something like the Catholic church.
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 04:50 PM
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5. Jacques de Molay, thou art avenged!
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 04:50 PM
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6. now that's very cool.
i'm guessing what the papers say won't be long making it to the internet.
i'm curious to see what they say.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 04:56 PM
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7. me too but I don't have $8377 dollars to spend
but what a copy that would be
Amazing how she found it hidden in the vatican Archives
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judaspriestess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 04:58 PM
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8. A&E or was it the history channel had an awesome 2 hour show on
about how the Knights of Templar possibly evolved into the modern day illuminati about a month and a half ago. I'll look it up to get the right title of the show
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Didereaux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 04:59 PM
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10. If you like that chapter of history then read...
The Iron King by Druon. Really a good read whether you like 'period' stuff or not.

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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 05:12 PM
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11. my library doesn't have it
it's non-fiction, right?
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Didereaux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 05:22 PM
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12. you can find it used........
Do search on used books You'll find it from a few bucks upto $$$. If memory serves Druon wrote a series that included this one called the 'Cursed Kings' or some such. This one is the only one I found memorable. As for non-fiction....I think you would have to put it in the very accurate historical fiction class as he fills in a lot of color. But as I said the facts, occurances characters etc are very accurate.

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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 05:23 PM
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13. merci for the tip!
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Didereaux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 05:49 PM
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15. Vous êtes bienvenu n/t
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Chimpy McCokespoon Donating Member (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 05:25 PM
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14. Get 'em to release the records on the Knights of Malta.
They are pretty much the Vatican's intelligence service. And they are still around.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 09:14 AM
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19. Will Ratzo PAY for his copy? Plus, "surprising good condition" of 700yr old document
Have we found CHEENEE's document-forging site?
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 10:42 AM
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20. So, is there a Holy Grail?
Just curious what others think.
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