I heard the Democrats were going to cave

[bigtree]

I heard it on Democratic Underground.

No actual quotes from anyone . . . nothing there to back that up, but . . . I heard it on Democratic Underground.

It MUST be true!

[2rth2pwr]

1. Not possible. They never cave. nt

[frylock]

2. i heard the democrats were going to cave..

again.

[L. Coyote]

3. U heard wrong. It's "They cut a deal with the Rs to cave" LOL

:sarcasm:

Good thing it was your name on this thread, or I would not have bothered reading such trollish profanity. :rofl:

[upi402]

4. I heard they were going to take a fall, but that implies

they were once standing up.

[bigtree]

7. that's a good one

[L. Coyote]

9. Also, just whispered: Instead of making Rs steal elections, DEMS will give them away for Xmas

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Nothing difficult to believe here, right? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[upi402]

10. "How to Snatch Defeat From the Jaws of Victory"

Clip and snip any dangling, testosterone encumbered appendage. Then extract any and all solid material between the trapezoids down to the lumbar.

Then vote on Acts and/or Bills while making tepid statements aimed directly at the apathetic middle of the road.

[madfloridian]

5. How about hearing it from the ACLU...FISA

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1553

I sm very thankful for them, and we donate regularly. I may not agree with all they say, but they have really been on top of the FISA stuff.

They are fixing to cave tomorrow about 1:30...just the press and Steny Hoyer.

ACLU has been on top of this all the way.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1537

[bigtree]

6. that story says that the Dem leaders were the only ones who wanted to cave

but wouldn't be voting for the bill . . . It has NO 'on the record' quotes or statements to back up what they say someone from the ACLU told them and NO account of ANYthing in the bill that they say is coming up. It's a RUmor, and it not a very well crafted one at that.

[madfloridian]

8. Wow. You think everyone deals in rumors? ACLU link.

https://secure.aclu.org/site/Advocacy?pagename=homepage&id=725&page=UserAction&JServSessionIdr008=80etyrla51.app26a

I am sorry but why in the world would Steny have a proposal tomorrow and keep the FISA activists out of the loop.

Let's be realistic.

[bigtree]

11. that link is to an appeal based on their last action

there's no proof of *Mr. Stoller's claim there.

I still say it sounds like bullshit to say that these two are the ONLY ones pushing some capitulation which they supposedly WON'T vote for. That just doesn't make sense.

I read the post with the expectation that there would be something to back up Mr. Stoller's claim. There isn't anything but hearsay in his post. I think it's a cheap shot relying on hearsay to charge the Democrats with ANYTHING. It may well prove true, but Mr. Stoller's post isn't reporting, it's rumormongering.

[Toots]

12. Actually you read it on Democratic Underground not heard it, and IMO

more truth has come from that site than fiction..Do you doubt the Democrats will cave? Leahy has already backtracked and said Bush*'s nominee will go forward without having to comply with Democrat's wishes.. Is that caving? Especially after making such a big deal about it beforehand. What have Democrats not caved on?

[bigtree]

13. my point

is that there should, at least, be some actual evidence provided along with these predictions . . . SOMEthing there to back them up.

Otherwise they're just factless smears on our party. I really do look for that evidence when I read these claims (with deep concern). What I'm finding is more rumor than fact in a lot of these claims. They may well prove true, but many rumors DON'T pan out and the truth just doesn't seem to catch up.

[lonestarnot]

14. Must be that Bongwater.

[bigtree]

18. some folks act like they're like they're in a junior high school cafeteria when they post

. . . trying to impress their peers and elevate themselves by belittling others. I wonder if anyone outside of their clique really gets them?

[lonestarnot]

20. Somebody did.

[bigtree]

22. dang!

snap!

[sniffa]

15. yes, because they're being threatened and bLackmaiLed

i heard it here on DU.

[bigtree]

19. impossible

I heard (on DU) that they're actually republicans

[Enrique]

16. yep, wlecome new Attorney General Ted Olson

no way in hell the dems are going to stop it!

[madinmaryland]

17. CALL YOUR CONGRESSMAN!! RIGHT NOW!!

[radfringe]

21. IMHO the least they could do would be to wait until

AFTER the bushies issue an unconfirmed terror alert