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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 05:42 PM
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Giuliani's father did 1 1/2 years for Armed Robbery, Uncle and Cousin in Mafia Also, Cover-up
Edited on Fri Sep-28-07 05:51 PM by Dems Will Win
Rudolph Giuliani is a liar. He lied about his own father, Harold, extolling him as a hard-working and upstanding working class citizen, when in fact he was a "muscle man" for the Mafia, working for Giulian's uncle.

Harold did 1 1/2 years in Sing Sing!

Louis Mangone, an attorney active in Italian American affairs, remembered hearing the mayor extol his father's honesty at a gathering at the Columbus Club, the city's premier Italian gathering spot. Giuliani, whose prosecutions as a U.S. Attorney had been targeted at friends of many of those present, got a chilly reception.

"You can't visit the sins of the father on the children; we know that very well. But he's been so sanctimonious on this very issue with others," said Mangone.

And then there was the response of Sal Mondrone, who so far has been unable to qualify for a waste-hauling license. "I was told by my lawyer I knew too many people," he said. "I think it's two standards here. father hung out with gangsters. His cousin had mob affiliations."

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If anyone made the mayor's father a worthy subject for further exploration it was the mayor himself. He has cited his father's influence to every journalist undertaking a profile of him since he first made headlines as a prosecutor in the mid-1980s.

As recently as this April, when he announced his prostate cancer, he described Harold Giuliani as "a very, very important reason for why I'm standing here as the mayor of New York City."


But the mayor has declined to discuss the book's specifics beyond suggesting that his family has fallen victim to negative stereotypes of Italian Americans.

"I think I'll stand on my record of having prosecuted and put in prison more members of the Mafia than probably any United States Attorney in history," the mayor said. In the course of his pursuit of organized crime, he had been threatened with death "at least three times," he added. "And if that's not enough to remove the Mafia prejudice, then there probably could not be anything you could do to remove it."

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0029,robbins,16567,5.h...

Mr. Barrett, citing an unnamed family friend, also writes that Mr. Giuliani's father was for a time a bat-wielding enforcer of a loansharking and gambling operation run by his brother-in-law Leo D'Avanzo, who was Mr. Giuliani's uncle. In addition, Mr. Barrett cites F.B.I. documents to assert that Mr. Giuliani's first cousin, Lewis D'Avanzo, was a ''ruthless and widely feared mob associate in charge of a massive stolen car ring,'' who was killed by F.B.I. agents in Brooklyn in 1977.

Nothing in the excerpts of the book released so far suggests that Mr. Giuliani himself had any connections to the Mafia or was ever sympathetic to it. Some readers might draw the conclusion that the reputed Mafia ties of Mr. Giuliani's relatives, whose lives are described as bleak, made the one-time prosecutor even more determined to fight organized crime. But Mr. Giuliani, who said he had not read the book and did not intend to, apparently sees it differently.

Asked if the revelations constituted a targeting of Italians, Mr. Giuliani replied, ''People have to draw their own conclusions.''

He also said, ''All you have to do is look at the last 20 years, and take a look at my career, and ask yourself the following question: Is there anybody that's done more to reduce the influence of, end the Mafia, than me?''

Mr. Giuliani said a front-page headline in The Daily News on Thursday, ''Rudy Book Bombshell: His Mob Kin,'' was disgusting and added that the newspaper ''should actually be embarrassed.''

As the news conference continued, Mr. Giuliani cited more details of his record on organized crime. ''I put in prison the heads of the five families for 100 years each,'' Mr. Giuliani said, referring to the five mob families that made up the ''commission,'' a board of directors that once ruled the Mafia in the United States. He added, ''I myself went to Arizona and handled the case that put Joe Bonnano in jail for the first time in 30 years.'' News accounts generally support Mr. Giuliani's statements.

Mr. Giuliani refused to answer questions about Lewis D'Avanzo, the man whom Mr. Barrett says was killed by the F.B.I. He also refused queries about his uncle Leo D'Avanzo. But when he was asked about his relationship to both of them by a reporter who apparently thought that the D'Avanzos were brothers and still alive, Mr. Giuliani paused.

Then he flatly replied, ''They're both dead.''

''The two sons?'' the reporter asked.

''There was only one son, and he's dead,'' the mayor said. ''A long time.''


http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CE7DA...



Given the facts that Giuliani hung with mobster Gideon Chern, let Kerik get bought by mobsters and let some mob operations continue in city government, especially the school buses, it occured to me that maybe giuliani IS THE SECRET GODFATHER in New York, that he put the other Mob leaders away so his family's Mob buddies COULD TAKE OVER. Then all the Mobster connections and coverups start to make sense!

What say you? Is Giuliani the secret Mafia Godfather--WHO NOW MIGHT BECOME PRESIDENT??

Please recommend to get the word out. Clinton's father was honest, Obama's father was a goat herder, and Giuliani's father was a Mob muscle man who did 1 1/2 years in Sing Sing for Armed Robbery, and Giuliani has lied and said his father was honest working class all this time!
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 05:45 PM
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1. Bo-ring. Giuliani has his problems and his corruptions. I don't hold his dad against him.
Giuliani has gone on the record talking about his father's problems in the past. It's not a big deal. There's a million reasons to fear Giuliani and two million to loathe him. But his anti-mob credentials are impeccable. This shit is nothing but an ethnic slur.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 05:49 PM
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4. Why did he let the City school busses stay mobbed up, and Kerik?
WHy did he coverup that he had been told Kerik was Mobbed up but did nothing about it, why did Giuliani LIE about his father until the Barrett book came out in 2000 and say he was honest when he knew he wasn't?

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 06:23 PM
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16. Why did Giuliani help sink BCCI investigation?
From a blog covering Dave Emory's work:

15. The Clearstream network was also utilized by the BCCI. Note that the milieu of the BCCI figures prominently in the investigation of 9/11, and that FBI chief Robert Mueller was in of the badly attenuated investigation of BCCI by Congress. DAVE EMORY: Tell us about Clearstream and BCCI. LUCY KOMISAR: When Mayor Giuliani was assistant prosecutor in the investigation of the Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI) in the early 1990s, he received documents from Backes. BCCI was a Pakistani-run bank registered via shell companies in the Cayman Islands that used secret accounts to effect an $8 billion global money-laundering fraud. Before it was shut down in 1991, BCCI was used by U.S. and Saudi intelligence to fund the mujahideen, then fighting the Soviet-supported government of Afghanistan. (For specific documentation about the BCCI/Clearstream connection, see: http://www.spitfirelist.com/f356.html ; http://www.spitfirelist.com/f357.html .)

SOURCE:

http://ftrsummary.blogspot.com/2005/11/ftr-531-intervie...
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bananarepublican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 04:27 AM
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32. Also, the mobsters he put behind bars may have furthered the goals of other mobsters! n/t
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 07:00 AM
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35. As always Octafish. .
The devil's in the details, and most don't have the time or energy to keep at them..

Thank you
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 06:18 PM
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52. BLM is right we need a Mark Lombardi to clarify all the connections! Thanks Octafish.
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VP505 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 05:47 PM
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2. I wouldn't
worry too much about him getting elected, I seriously doubt that would happen without a whole lot of cheating. I think too many people are aware of how the RePukes operate for them to pull that off again. However it is an interesting story.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 05:47 PM
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3. Why the goat herder comment?
That should be taken down.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 05:51 PM
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5. Tell Obama not to say it, tell him to take it down
He said it proudly at the Democratic Convention speech! The point is his father made an honest living...
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 05:52 PM
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6. Are you quoting Hillary also?
or is that your judgment?
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Tian Zhuangzhuang Donating Member (422 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 06:47 PM
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19. Thats like a Lincoln fan complaining about the log cabin slur.
Goat herder works for Obama. He uses it. He had the whitest most privileged upbringing of all the democratic contenders. It's good for him to play the immigrant common man angle.
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Geek_Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 05:55 PM
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7. Unless he himself has ties to the mob I don't think it should matter
Being half Italian American I'm rather bothered by this kind of ethnic slurring.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 06:00 PM
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11. Giuliani was caught lying about his knowledge of Kerik's Mob ties
Edited on Fri Sep-28-07 06:05 PM by Dems Will Win
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bananarepublican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 04:28 AM
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33. Rudy may be the mob's 'Manchurian Candidate'! n/t
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 07:31 PM
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22. As an African American I believe I am sensitive to slurs


I do recall however how the Kennedy family endured endless stories about Joe Kennedy Sr. and his liquor dealings.

And recall how Jacqui's father was called, "Black Jack" because of his dark complexion?

Some even went so far as to imply that her father was African American.

Were those Irish slurs, slurs against African Americans?

I agree that we should not be held accountable for our father's deeds.

However, with Rudy there are so many question marks about his character that his father and his buddy the crook Kurik(sp.) are just the tip of a big iceberg IMO.
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Steven_S Donating Member (810 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 05:56 PM
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8. Secret Godfather in New York??
:rofl: :rofl:

please.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 05:59 PM
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9. Remember the Godfather movie
The ultimate goal was to elect a Senator, then the President. Why did Giuliani let certain Mobsters skate and wipe out all the rest? Why not become US Attorney and end the competing families that way. It could be...
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Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 06:05 PM
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13. That was a *movie*
Edited on Fri Sep-28-07 06:24 PM by Book Lover
based on a book. Notice, if you will, that these are works of fiction, created by men who were not affiliated with the mob (yea, I know, an Italian-American not in the mob? Next I'll be saying that the Pope isn't Catholic!)

spelling on edit
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 05:59 PM
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10. So what? He is not responsible for what his relatives did.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 06:04 PM
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12. Thank you!
Edited on Fri Sep-28-07 06:06 PM by Juniperx
I have over 500 living relatives; 300 or so of which I see at least yearly. I'll be damned if I want to be held accountable for all of them!


Edited so people won't think I'm making that up :) Here's a small gathering... My great-granny had 15 kids.


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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 06:08 PM
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14. But he lied about his father!!
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 06:09 PM
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15. He's a real liar, not like GOre
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 10:12 PM
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26. What did his father do after he
got out of prison?

It's obvious he didn't tell the entirety of the truth about his father. But I have no idea what else his father did with his life, so perhaps he stopped being a mob thug and did work hard. If he did, then Giuliani didn't lie, he told part of the truth.

And yes, there's a difference.
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Tian Zhuangzhuang Donating Member (422 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 06:43 PM
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17. Well his name does end in a vowel
Actually I recall spy magazine doing an article on Giuliani's more flavorful relatives. Which should give you an idea how bloody old this story really was.


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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 06:44 PM
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18. And our so-called free-press is about as likely to press him on his family tree
about as much as their pressing interest in who George Bush was in 1999.

But a woman named Jennifer Flowers--- well, how well we all remember how the media made her name a household word.
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PDenton Donating Member (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 06:50 PM
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20. "Everybody thinks if you are in waste management..."
"... you are all mobbed up" - Tony Soprano

Sorry, this place needs a little levity!
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 06:53 PM
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21. I guess going after the mob is like crusading against deviants
"reaction formation"
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 07:41 PM
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24. speaking of which, ever seen this:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig6/bender2.html

''Karl Rove & the Spectre of Freuds Nephew''
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 07:36 PM
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23. So does that make Rudy AJ or Meadow? Considering
his liking for cross dressing, maybe both.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 07:43 PM
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25. I can't find the link now, but I posted it here awhile back....Rudy appears to have LIED to
FBI agents who questioned him, routinely, when he was nominated as Federal Prosecutor

a standard question involves whether any of one's relatives are felons

Giuliani "forgot" to mention his father. what a surprise
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 10:18 PM
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27. Bobby Kennedy began talking about Mafia -- "The Enemy Within" I think was his book ---
Look at the drug wag and how deep the involvement of corruption and criminals in our government NOW!!!

And this is getting worse every day ---

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bananarepublican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 04:33 AM
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34. ... and J. Edgar Hoover pooh-poohed the idea of organized crime altogether.
The mob had compromising photos of two Gay Old Republicans... Hoover and his 2IC, Clyde Tolson!!!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 10:39 PM
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40. I've heard that . . . .
The Mafia/oil interests also treated him to some grand vacations -- winnings at the track, etal --
that I've also heard about. Seems he was also at the Murchison meeting the night before the JFK assassination?
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bananarepublican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 04:39 AM
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43. LBJ and RMN were also at the Murchison meeting. n/t
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 10:35 PM
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28. I appreciate your OP
I know that RG has a bad habit of telling lies (his 9/11 greatness, pleasssseeee), but I didn't realize his possible mob links went deeper that Kurik's (sp?) loyalty.

thanks
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 02:06 AM
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29. Many American pols have links to organized crime. Rudi's are just more recent, and not yet 'legit"
If being clean of family or personal ties to organized crime families were required for entry into office, well, many familiar faces would be be gone:







CHAPTER ONE
The Money and the Power
The Making of Las Vegas and Its Hold on America, 1947-2000
By SALLY DENTON and ROGER MORRIS
Knopf
http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/d/denton-power.html


Above all, he was a political man. Like most denizens of his world, he was insistently patriotic, and generally conservative if not reactionary in the usual political terms, with an understandable distaste even for reformers, let alone social revolutionariesthough he always seemed to understand, long before more educated men, that ideology and conviction in American politics commonly have a price. Like his successors over the rest of the twentieth century who learned the lesson well, he would be an inveterate contributor to Democratic politicians at all levels. Lansky paid "handsomely"legal scholar and sociologist William Chambliss recorded his secret cash contributionsinto the presidential campaigns of Al Smith in 1928, Franklin Roosevelt in 1932, Harry Truman in 1948, Lyndon Johnson in 1960 and 1964, and Hubert Humphrey in 1968, as well as the races of senators, congressmen, governors, mayors, and councilmen. At a Democratic National Convention in the 1930s he met the amply corrupt Louisiana senator Huey Long, whose partnership opened the South to the alliance, and for whom Lansky opened what would be one of the first foreign bank accounts for corrupt American politicians. Covering his bets, he also passed cash through an intermediary to the 1944 Republican presidential campaign of onetime New York "gangbuster" Thomas Dewey, and backed a few GOP candidates over the years, though generally preferring, and thus flourishing under, Democrats. Beneath the surface, Lansky knew, Dewey was a classic example of the American prosecutor and politician who exploited the public fear of criminals but in the end did remarkably little about crime, a prosecutor who convicted a few big names while imprisoning mostly street-level small fry, leaving the Syndicate and the system that fed it undiminished. "You can't help liking Mr. Dewey," a shrewd New York socialite would say of the man in an epigram that captured his real record as well, "until you get to know him."

Lansky's practical politics were plain. Applying the wisdom acquired on the Lower East Side and in the national underworld he came to dominate, he was unyielding and merciless with those who challenged or cheated him. But he would be very different from many of his predecessors and successors, in legitimate business as in crime, who overreached. Monopolistic greed, he believed, led to blood or headlines, rupturing society's usual apathy, arousing if only for a moment a spasm of reform that was bad for everyone's profits. He welcomed his competitorsthe more corruption the better; the more people compromised, the more collusion, acceptance, and resignation, the less danger of change. Nowhere was this strategy more decisive than in his convoluted relations with his supposed enemy but often de facto ally, the government of the United States.

Those closest to Lansky would claim that he accomplished the supreme blackmail in the thirties, obtaining photographs of homosexual acts by J. Edgar Hoover, the increasingly powerful and celebrated director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The pictures were said to hold at bay this most formidable of potential adversaries. But the racketeer and the bureaucrat also had mutual friends, backers, and associates, among them prominent businessmen like Lewis Rosenstiel of Schenley Industries or developer Del Webb, or groups, like the American Jewish League Against Communism, that shared the right-wing politics the gangster and G-man had in common. Whether by crude blackmail or the more subtle influence of their common circle, over the decades Lansky enjoyed almost singular immunity from serious FBI pursuit; "Lansky and the Bureau chief in a symbiotic relationship, each protecting the other," University of California scholar Peter Dale Scott would write of the suborning.

But sexual compromising, mutual friendships, or ideology only began the collusion. In 1937, Lansky arranged for the FBI and the Federal Bureau of Narcotics (FBN) to make the highly publicized arrest of one of his associates, drug trafficker Louis "Lepke" Buchalter. The betrayal at once removed a Lansky rival, gratified Hoover and FBN director Harry Anslinger in their mutual obsession with popular image, and further compromised federal law enforcement, which was growing ever more dependent on informers and double agents for its successes.

Then, at the outset of World War II, U.S. Naval Intelligence and the nation's new espionage agency, the Office of Strategic Services (OSS), enlisted Lansky and the Syndicate in a historic collaboration, the top-secret Operation Underworld, in which government agents employed mobsters and their labor goons in a campaign of coercion and bribery ostensibly to prevent sabotage and quell uncontrolled leftist unions on New York docks. The "dirty little secret of Operation Underworld," as a former White House official put it, "was that the United States Government needed Meyer Lansky and organized crime to force an industrial peace and a policing of sabotage on the wharves and in the warehouses. The government turned to him because hiring thugs was what government and business had been doing for a long time to control workers, and because it could conceive little other choice in the system at hand."



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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 03:00 AM
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30. As a 25% Italian-American,
I think of all the qualified Italian-Americans who were passed up for candidacy because one raised eyebrow would be enough to tar them with the image of Don Corleone for all time.

And I think, no one has ever been more qualified for this treatment than Rudy Giuliani.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 12:29 PM
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39. kick
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 03:20 AM
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31. That's a little hysterical and stupid
elections should be fought based on the planks of platforms and on no other issue. I'd fucking well vote for Count Dracula if he promised universal health care and to end the war in Iraq (not that I can vote, because I can't), but my point stands. You start trying this asinine character assassination bullshit and it will only come to bite you in the ass.
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 08:19 AM
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48. Whatever it takes to keep this jerk out of office is worth it.
Regardless of his stated positions on important issues. (Remember, bush was going to be a "uniter not a divider", was not going to nation-build, and was going to bring a "new and improved tone" to Washington. Did you believe him when he said these things?)
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poiuytsister Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 07:35 AM
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36. Not much of a cover up
I read about the father and uncle doing time and being mobbed up on Wikipedia months ago fer crysake!
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 09:33 AM
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37. HE covered it up until the Voice reporter revealed it in 2000
And lied about it on his official forms. And when did you hear about it on CNNMSNBCFOXCBSABCAP? Never - and that's the coverup.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 10:59 AM
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38. I have a bone to pick with this statement
''I myself went to Arizona and handled the case that put Joe Bonnano in jail for the first time in 30 years.'' News accounts generally support Mr. Giuliani's statements.

One Knight of Malta prosecuting another? That's not the way I read it. Rudi "handled the case", meaning he put the fix in and kept Joey B. from getting more time.

It's all a matter of Perception Management.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 11:47 PM
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41. Who cares -- many of us who are Italian Americans have/had relatives who are in organized crime
There's plenty of other reasons to dislike Rudy.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 12:36 AM
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42. Sounds like Giulliani has some real "daddy issues"
Edited on Sun Sep-30-07 12:37 AM by fujiyama
It sort of explains his own shitty relationship with his kids as well as his fucked up marriages and his own defense of adultery - it was reported he once said that every man should have a "goomah" (a Sopranos reference to a mistress on the side).

Oh and of course he's a fucking authoritarian creep.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 05:01 AM
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44. The GOPers put out the Contract On America and now
Edited on Sun Sep-30-07 05:16 AM by Hubert Flottz
Rudy wants to make us some offers we can't refuse! And Look at what the GawdPoppy gave us!(Don-Dumbya) The country will never be able to "FORGETABOUT" the damage these GOPer GANGSTERS and THUDGS and GOONS have done to our country!
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DaveJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 05:17 AM
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45. IMHO, If true, I think this matters, a lot
Whereas people cannot be blamed for their fathers' actions, they should have some semblance of acknowledgment. JFK came from a family of rum runners, but I'm not sure if it equates to a family that consciously breaks any law imaginable with no intention except self benefit. We can write this off and say Giuliani stands no chance, but I'm not willing to be so cavalier about it. I do not want another gangster as President.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 07:58 AM
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46. Saint Rudy of 911's halo is getting more tarnished by the day. nt
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 09:14 AM
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49. What did his wife say when she called him onstage? "Pick up some milk at the ...
9-11 on your way home."
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 08:16 AM
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47. It's almost enough to make me hope Rudy gets nominated.
Considering all the unbelievable horror stories about him we know already, can you imagine the kind of thing that will be revealed when people start seriously hunting for it? I'd love to see this jerk taken down off his damn 9/11 pedestal.

The problem with this theory is that he would probably "win" somehow if nominated. Of all the candidates on both sides, Rudy is the only one that strikes me as worse than bush, as hard as that is to imagine. Rudy is a fascist. Is this what we want for "America"?
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AnnieBW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 06:16 PM
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50. DING! DING! DING!!!
I figured that the Giuliani Mafia connection would come out sooner or later!
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 06:18 PM
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51. Britain shipped criminals to the colonies until the Revolution.
If your family has been in America for centuries, do not do your genealogy if you don't want to find criminals in your family history.
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 06:18 PM
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53. And Bill Clinton's dad was a no-good drunk
There is plenty we can hold against Rudy Giluiani
without making his father part of the discussion.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 06:21 PM
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54. How is this anything more than Italian = mafia? Are the mods all dead?
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Kelly Rupert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 06:21 PM
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55. Whatever. Who cares what his dad did?
I haven't seen anything in his record that would suggest he was soft on the Mafia.
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