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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:01 PM
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HILLARY DID NOT FUCKING WIN!!!!
WHat the hell is Buchannan watching????
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:02 PM
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1. Amen
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:02 PM
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2. Not even close
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:02 PM
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3. But...but she didn't lose.
Like I'm going to take the guy who sleeps under Matthew's desk' word for it.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:03 PM
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4. LOL!
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:03 PM
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6. Yes, she did lose
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:03 PM
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5. You're right. Kucinich won. n/t
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:08 PM
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13. I agree.
Kucinich.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:04 PM
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7. And Obama had a bad night?
Are you kidding me?
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Kelly Rupert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:24 PM
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21. Hey, he showed up. It's a nice change. nt
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TheUniverse Donating Member (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:04 PM
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8. I hate that annoying laugh she makes whenever a moderater in a debate reads criticism about her.
Its like she will never admit her mistakes and thinks its all a big joke.
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Nashyra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:07 PM
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10. Obama did not win either
obama did not help himself tonight, Clinton started slow, Kucinich and Gravel entertaining and good as always. Biden and dodd I think did great. Edwards helped himself and richardson stayed on track
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samplegirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:06 PM
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9. Vote Hillary and vote for more WAR!!!!!!!!!
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:07 PM
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11. Look at the typo here, under the pic of Sen. Obama:
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:07 PM
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12. She is being shoved down our throats. The media appears
to have been instructed to do everything possible to see to it that she is nominated.
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Fading Captain Donating Member (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:57 PM
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35. The question is, what are we gonna do about it?
Given the comments we see here, I can't understand her popularity.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 02:10 PM
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40. I don't think there is anything we can do about it other than
maintain our own position. I'm not sure why the media is so hot to get her nominated. Do they think she would be easy to beat or is she in with the dark side?
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:09 PM
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14. Edwards and Biden won. Obama was sick with a bad cold. Hillary was off
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:21 AM
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37. You sure he didn't have pneumonia?
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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:16 PM
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15. She won because she didnt lose. What the $@&* does that mean?
I am biased and think Kucinich was very direct as usual and his support for our rights and the constitution at time when they are under attack was great to me. I think most of the candidates like the new power that the government has taken from us and that is why they don't touch that subject directly. I think our constitution is the most important issue we are facing, without our rights, no other subject matters.
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Kelly Rupert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:26 PM
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24. Well, it means that since she's the 20-point frontrunner,
realistically all she has to do from here on out is not fuck up. She didn't fuck up tonight, and neither Edwards nor Obama were so far-and-away better that she'll lose much ground. And when you're the frontrunner, that counts as a win.
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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:34 PM
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25. Asked about Israel and she refused to answer? Presidential????
I disagree with the medias views on this one. Our country needs a new voice to stand up every chance they can and speak for us like Dennis Kucinich does. I don't think her sitting on the fence is going to carry her to victory, she better wake up before she gives it away. The only thing on her side is that she will probably get more votes because people want change and they are split with Edwards, Obama and Kucinich. I don't want a president picked by default, I want a new leader to give the power back to the people and I hope America wants that too.
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Kelly Rupert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:44 PM
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31. Unfortunately,
Edited on Wed Sep-26-07 10:44 PM by Kelly Rupert
America doesn't really want DK. I don't think I've ever seen Kucinich poll above 6%, even among Democrats, either this campaign or in 2004. Kind of sucks, but at least he's out there saying it for a few months every four years. Better than nothing.
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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:48 PM
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33. I would rather have a voice sometimes than never.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:17 PM
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16. Consider the source.... Edwards was on top tonight!
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:17 PM
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17. Dodd did much, much better than Clinton
Btw, he's not who I plan on voting for in the primary. But jeez, he was so direct on each answer. I appreciated that.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:18 PM
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18. That Buchannan argument didnt hold
That she won because she didnt lose. This debate, she did lose.
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W_HAMILTON Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:22 PM
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20. It makes perfect sense
When you're ahead by double-digits in almost every poll, and actually seem to be LEAVING your competitors further and further in your rear-view, if you don't lose, you win. It's that simple.

None of the other candidates did anything extraordinary; a few were worse (Obama)...a few were better (Biden). But what does that matter? It's going to take more than continuing to be "yourself" when you're behind in the polls by 10%-20%. You're going to have to make some news. You're going to have to think out of the box, and go on the attack, and try to cut into that lead.

None of the candidates did that.

People that think Edwards/Kucinich won are just wishful thinking. Edwards took 60 seconds to say "I grew up poor, and I'm not ashamed that I get $400 haircuts and made lots of money off the subprime market." Kucinch had some nice things to say, then said some off-the-wall things that most of the nation won't agree with (lowering the drinking age, AND voting age).
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:38 PM
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28. Hillary lost this debate
because she did much worse than she has done in any of the previous debates. I thought she won all the previous debates.
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W_HAMILTON Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:44 PM
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32. She wasn't as strong as she has been
But she didn't have to be. She's playing it as if she's already won our nomination.

Let's say she did lose. So, what? She's now only up 18% on the field? 15%? She might not have won many people over that didn't already like her, but she didn't do anything to lose any of her supporters, either. And considering none of the others did anything remarkable to steal those voters away, the result is status quo.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:53 PM
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34. Polls polls polls... it's a done deal. Hillary is already Queen.
Meh x( I call BS on the inherent media bias inherent in the oh-so-touted polls. She will not be my Queen.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:21 PM
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19. with all the whining, I'm thinking she did. nt.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:26 PM
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22. Tweety is tearing her apart.
Even asking other candidates -- Biden and Dodd -- all about Hillary, as if they were just talking heads like him.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:26 PM
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23. No, she didn't win. In fact, she started to show some of her truer colors.
Edited on Wed Sep-26-07 10:27 PM by OmmmSweetOmmm
She had an inappropriate grin on her face when Gravel confronted her about her Iran vote today. She started to spout Shrub rhetoric, sounding so eerily familiar to the lies we were fed prior to the war in Iraq. She smiled the whole time. My blood ran cold. Add that to leaving combat troops in Iraq, even colder.

I'm still trying to figure out her response on the gay question, and the non-answers on nuclear plants and on social security? Geeze.

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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:35 PM
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26. He's reading the script from the teleprompter.
The Gatekeepers decide these things, not We The People.
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:38 PM
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27. now, now,
just relax. hillary will be the nominee, and we will vanquish eastasia.
it's all for the best, see?
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:40 PM
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29. Buchanan?
Um, you do realize that Pat Buchanan isn't exactly an objective observer, right?
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MazeRat7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:40 PM
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30. She really turned me off tonight.. I liked several others much better. -nt
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 11:36 PM
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36. *I will keep combat troops in Iraq indefinitely.
*I will NOT remove or raise the cap on SS taxes (or at least won't answer the question).

*Even knowing what I know now, I still voted to give Bush* the authority to attack Iran.


Hillary. LOST. BIG.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:23 AM
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38. If you say so
:sarcasm:
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Laurier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:46 AM
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39. Not even remotely close.
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