23% of Americans approve of MoveOn ad

[Toots]

That is a very low percentage but guess what it is more than twice as many as approve of Congress.


http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/23_approve_of_moveon_org_petraeus_ad_58_disapprove

[derby378]

1. The teeming masses will hate what FOX News tells them to hate

I don't see where it's any more complicated than that.

[durrrty libby]

7. You are wrong. I don't watch fox and I didn't care for the name-calling ad

It provided a nice distraction for the repukes to grab onto

It took the blame away from bush where it squarely belongs

[dipsydoodle]

2. I guess that just means

that the other 77% don't really give a shit. Chances are that a very high proportion of the American population were even aware of it - too busy watching I Love Lucy whatever.

[Virginia Dare]

3. I think the whole point of it was to stir up controversy..

so in that sense it was very successful. I didn't particularly like the ad myself, but I agreed with the principles behind it.

[Ian David]

4. As long as the conservative right-wing press controls the debate, this shit will continue. n/t

[Larkspur]

5. About 40% didn't know enough about MoveOn.org to make a decision

This poll proves Markos's point. Most Americans could care less about an ad in the NY Times.

[MrModerate]

6. The headline was a very boneheaded move by MoveOn . . .

. . . of which I am a member.

Petraeus is a tool (which, frankly is what your generals are supposed to be, after all), but he has successfully maintained the appearance of honorable behavior for years -- and several tours in Iraq.

The facts in the ad were well stated and damning enough. But the schoolyard taunt screwed up the whole thing.

[durrrty libby]

8. You said it better than me

:thumbsup:

[AndyA]

9. The headline was a QUESTION, not a statement.

There's a big difference.

The ad spoke the truth. The headline asked a question: Is the General going to be honest, or is he going to betray us? It's as simple as that. The man is a tool for Bush, we know that and MoveOn.org knows that.

No respectable military man would allow his military career to be compromised in a political stunt, and MoveOn.org called them on it. Petraeus got caught with his pants down.

When compared to the Swiftboating of Kerry, the MoveOn ad is nothing.

[robcon]

10. That "Headline was a question" idea is disingenuous, IMO.

Get over it - the ad accused Petraeus of betraying the U.S. It was a bad idea.

[AndyA]

15. Bullshit.

And did not Petraeus betray the U.S. by becoming a political tool for Bush? He didn't speak the truth during his testimony. That sounds like betrayal to me.

[robcon]

17. You don't defend your disingenuous concept, except with a barnyard epithet

And you devote the post to a reiteration that you believe Petraeus betrayed us.

Somehow that's not very convincing, AndyA, of your sincerity. I think "bullshit" applies to you.

[AndyA]

20. Look up the definition of betrayal.

I think what Petraeus did fits the definition.

And you devote your post to insulting me, which removes any shade of credibility you may have had. People often resort to insults when they have nothing else.

[MrModerate]

18. It's not betrayal for a soldier to obey the orders of the C-in-C . . .

Unless those orders constitute war crimes. I happen to believe that the whole Iraq adventure is a war crime, but at present that is a minority view, and even a Nuremberg-type prosecution would not snag Petreus.

Petreus' testimony was spin rather than outright lies, which is time-honored in human societies.

Allowing the war party to claw back credibility through an unnecessarily provocative headline is just plain stupid. We're talking shortening the war here, not achieving perfect karma so we can all be reincarnated as something higher than a cockroach. The MoveOn headline (as opposed to the ad) contributed -- significantly -- to the failure of legislation that would have (presidential veto notwithstanding) shortened the war. Hence it was a bonehead move.

[AndyA]

21. I think the MoveOn ad made its point.

Donations are way up, which gives them money for more ads and the opportunity to expand their message.

I also believe the Iraq war is a war crime, as the American people and Congress were lied to by the Bush Administration.

With today's media censoring so much, I think sometimes you have to be provocative to get heard.

[MrModerate]

23. Maybe. Maybe the temporary advantage the punditocracy . . .

Is handing the war party is trumped by a hardening of resolve and looser pocketbooks among the adherents of peace and good government.

And maybe the wingnuts will all expire of adrenal failure before 2008 if they keep pushing their dudgeon to this elevated level. Terry Schaivo certainly proved fatal to one than one career . . .

Hmmm . . .

[coalition_unwilling]

22. The entire occupation of Iraq is a war crime and Betray-us is a

war criminal (under the doctrine of "Command Responsibility")

[MrModerate]

24. That case could be made, and MAY be made some time in the future.

But I doubt it.

There were no Nuremberg-style trials after Vietnam (an illegal war if ever there was one), and I think this will play out the same way. Which is to say, a bruised national psyche that takes decades to recover from (with the added fillip that now tens of thousands of extra people around the world want us all dead, are organized, and will devote their lives to achieving that aim).

As much as I'd like to see Schimpanski and his clot of slugs bundled off in leg irons to the Hague, I'm not holding my breath.

[Bandit]

11. I wonder how that makes Democrats in congress feel

They need to Censure MoveOn and yet more than twice as many Americans approve of the ad than approve of them...I think they should think about Censuring themselves IMO...

[tsuki]

12. Rasmussen?? The people that I talk to down here think that it was

spot on. And they caught the Republican kiss up, kick down hypocrisy.

[riderinthestorm]

13. I'm going to take a wild guess that this approximates the percentage for the "hard core left"

Not an insignificant minority... So why does the Dem leadership continue to try to ignore and yes, even suppress (via their vote to censure MoveOn) our voices?

The Rethugs embrace their hard core right wing - what a difference from the Dems. We are marginalized by our leadership which propels the political "center" ever father right.

[robcon]

16. Although I know I'm pushing the statistics too far...

But 23% of Americans support the ad, and 26% of the Senate did not censure the ad. Seems about right.

(I understand the Senators who voted against the censure were not only those who supported the ad, but included some Senators who voted as they did to avoid kowtowing to the ugly Repuglican tactics, or who disagreed with the idea of censuring political speech.)

[riderinthestorm]

19. Interesting observation, and parallel stats. Something to ponder. nt

[PDenton]

25. the hard core left is more politically active

than the hard core right. You don't want to energize the hard core right.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

14. That's alright.

Six years ago only 10% disapproved of Bush.