Remember the outrage?

[in_cog_ni_to]

Please tell me what the difference is in what the student at John Kerry's Town Hall did and what Sue Niederer did at Laura Bush's rally? I remember the outrage here on DU when that happened.. Sue lost her son and nothing could be worse than that. The student felt his political party lost an election that was stolen...IS THERE ANYTHING MORE IMPORTANT THAN FAIR ELECTIONS (other than losing a child)??? That issue is important to HIM (and ME) and he deserved an answer also. The guy voted for Kerry and so did I and I grew to like the man..... It took a while, but I did.

Or what's the difference between Cindy Sheehan being removed from the People's House for wearing a T-shirt with the number of dead soldiers on it before a Bush speech? We all know what Cindy has been through. She has every right to question the psycho about his illegal invasion that killed her son, but so does the the FL. student have every right to ask JK why he never stood up and fought for the 2004 election AFTER he promised us he would.

What about the "Free Speech Zones" the psycho has set up when he's within miles of a certain area? There was much outrage here on DU when that crap started. All of these squelched FREE SPEECH. The circumstances were different, but the result was the same. The reasons for the protests were different, but the result the same....the people were all silenced or removed so they WOULDN'T be heard. Their tactics were different, but they all had a right to do what they did and were still silenced for it.

The student may have been rude, obnoxious, loud, and mouthy, but he's a college student...remember the Vietnam War? Remember the protests? Remember Kent State? Just because this happened at a JK Town Hall meeting we should not be defending the actions of those in power. The student should have had his question answered just as Sue Niederer should have had her son's death apologized for and Cindy Sheehan should have been recognized by the psycho when he gave that speech that night.... instead of being removed from the House gallery.

NONE of these police state actions are acceptable in this country. Not one and for anyone to think that people defending the student are "Kerry haters" is just ridiculous. As I stated earlier, I like John Kerry (grew to like him), but AM pissed as hell that he didn't keep his promise to his supporters to fight for every vote. He didn't and he needs to answer for it....and THAT is what the student was attempting to do...get answers. I bet John Edwards has a different take on the "we didn't have the evidence to do anything about it" excuse. How would he have any evidence if he didn't investigate the election fraud? The student had a legitimate question and should not have been dragged out by the police and never should he have been Tasered. We should NEVER defend the indefensible.


Remember the outrage?

First Lady's Speech Interrupted By Dead Soldier's Mother
Woman Blames Bush For Son's Death

POSTED: 12:20 pm EDT September 16, 200HAMILTON, N.J. -- First lady Laura Bush made a campaign stop in New Jersey Thursday.

Sue Niederer, Dragged

The visit comes as her husband, President George W. Bush, gains strength against John Kerry in the Garden State.<snip>


<snip>
During Bush's salute to the men and women in Iraq, Sue Sapir Niederer, of Hopewell, N.J., was pulled outside the firehouse after she staged a war protest. Sapir Niederer's son, Army 1st Lt. Seth Dvorin, 24, was killed in Iraq. He died in February while trying to disarm a bomb. Niederer was wearing a T-shirt with the words "President Bush You Killed My Son" (pictured, left).

As shouts of "Four More Years" subsided, Sapir Niederer, standing in the middle of the crowd of about 700, continued to shout about the killing of her son. Secret Service and local police escorted her out of the event, handcuffed her and placed her in the back of a police van.

"Excuse me, what are you charging me with," Sapir Niederer repeated to officers as they arrested her.

Sapir Niederer was charged with defiant trespassing, even though she had a ticket to the rally.

As the first lady continued speaking, several people shouted back at Sapir Niederer. One woman yelled, "Your son chose to fight in that war."

Hamilton, a sprawling bedroom community of 90,000 near Trenton that is home to a large number of state employees, has traditionally been a swing community in local, state and national elections.<snip>

http://www.nbc10.com/politics/3735989/detail.html



Cindy Sheehan removed from THE PEOPLE'S HOUSE...Remember the outrage?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x284575


Free Speech Zones...Remember the outrage?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1752639

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THIS from a Democratic Vet:

February 02, 2004


Brett Bursey, in his own words

Brett Bursey, the man prosecuted by Snake-Handler Johnny and Spawn of Strom for a little constitutional free speech has a few words.

A Secret Service agent then told us we had to go to the free-speech zone. I offered to move again, and she said there was nowhere we could be but the free-speech zone. I told her that I was already in a free-speech zone — the United States of America — and she ordered a local cop to arrest me. The arresting officer told me the problem was the content of my sign.

The content of his sign. Our thin-skinned, chicken-livered low-life non-elected Preznit sure is a brave, brave man.

I see the courage and valor of a hundred ... cowards in him. If there were ever a more chickenshit human being in the office of the president, I'm not sure who it was. History will remember this man, and it will not be kind.
http://www.usndemvet.com/blog/archives/001410.html


Remember the outrage?

<snip>
The Riots

Outside the official convention proceedings, anti-war demonstrators clashed with 11,900 Chicago police, 7500 Army troops, 7500 Illinois National Guardsmen and 1000 Secret Service agents over 5 days.

The violence centered on two things: the Chicago police forcing protesters out of areas where they were not permitted to be; and protesters clashing with police, and their reinforcements, as they tried to march to the convention site.

The violence began Sunday August 25th. Anti-war leaders had tried to get permits from the city to sleep in Lincoln park and to demonstrate outside of the convention site. Those permit requests were denied, although the city did offer them a permit to protest miles away from the Amphitheater But the protesters were undeterred. When the park was officially closed, Chicago police bombed protesters with tear gas and moved in with billy-clubs to forcibly remove them from the park. Along with the many injuries to anti-war protesters, 17 reporters were attacked by police (including Hal Bruno, who was then a reporter for Newsweek and is now political director for ABC.) Throughout the convention, police would see the press as the enemy. Subsequent battles between police and protesters occurred nightly in Lincoln Park and Grant Park. MY addition: Those were the days when we actually had a press who worked FOR THE PEOPLE, not the Government and corporations.:(

Also present that first night and throughout the convention were the famous Beat artists Allen Ginsberg and William Burroughs and French poet Jean Genet. Most events and protests featured speeches from Tom Hayden, Rennie Davis, Abbie Hoffman and Jerry Rubin.

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1996/conventions/chicago/facts/chicago68/index.shtml

Remember the outrage?... Reverend Yearwood being attacked in the halls of Congress?

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Rev. Yearwood Attacked and Beat in Halls of Congress by Police

Source: Hip Hop Caucus and SpidelBlog

Capitol Hill Police ‘Football Tackled’ Hip Hop Activist Rev. Lennox Yearwood at Petreus Hearing

WASHINGTON - September 10 - Rev. Lennox Yearwood, Jr., president of the Hip Hop Caucus, was attacked by six capitol police today, when he was stopped from entering the Cannon Caucus Room on Capitol Hill, where General Petreaus gave testimony today to a joint hearing for the House Arms Services Committee and Foreign Relations Committee on the war in Iraq.

After waiting in line throughout the morning for the hearing that was scheduled to start at 12:30pm, Rev. Yearwood was stopped from entering the room, while others behind him were allowed to enter. He told the officers blocking his ability to enter the room, that he was waiting in line with everyone else and had the right to enter as well. When they threatened him with arrest he responded with “I will not be arrested today.” According to witnesses, six capitol police, without warning, “football tackled” him. He was carried off in a wheel chair by DC Fire and Emergency to George Washington Hospital.

Rev. Yearwood said as he was being released from the hospital to be taken to central booking, “The officers decided I was not going to get in Gen. Petreaus’ hearing when they saw my button, which says ‘I LOVE THE PEOPLE OF IRAQ.’”

Capitol Police are not saying what the charges are, but an inside source has said that the charge is assaulting a police officer. Rev. Yearwood is scheduled to be transferred to Central Processing to be arraigned tomorrow morning.

Video seen here: http://spidel.net/blog/2007/09/10/rev-yearwood-attacked... /


Read more: http://spidel.net/blog/2007/09/10/rev-yearwood-attacked... /


I am told that they are going to charge him for attacking an officer. Please watch the video and judge for yourself. He is in the hospital recovering. I will post more as I find out more details

Follow the DU link and witness the outrage:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2985577

Remember the outrage?

This is What Democracy Looks Like

August 31, 2004
By Mark Drolette

<snip>
Folks who think for themselves pose the greatest danger to the Bushies, whose number one concern is control: control the image, message, and environment. The Bush White House is like a giant information transmogrification machine - something goes in, gets an extremist makeover, and emerges looking nothing like the original (sort of like Michael Jackson). Anyone deemed the least bit likely to upset the communication applecart is highly unwelcome. Just ask Richard Clarke, Paul O'Neill, or Joe Wilson.

This paranoia now even touches everyday citizens who attend personal appearances by Dick Cheney and the Bubble Bush, manifesting itself in the form of loyalty oaths people are required to sign before being allowed to enter such events.

That's right, loyalty oaths. Steve Larese of the Boston Globe reports that on July 31 in Rio Rancho, New Mexico, "several people who showed up complained about being asked to sign endorsement forms ." Larese also writes that 64-year-old Nick Lucy "was turned away from a May 7 rally in Dubuque, Iowa, at which President Bush spoke." Lucy "was denied access because he is not a registered Republican," and though no one requested he sign an oath, the police were summoned to remove him from the premises.

Republican National Committee spokesman Yier Shi, according to Larese, explains logically that "everyone is welcome at the rallies as long as they support President Bush." I guess you really couldn't get more American than that - that is, if you're talking about the old separate-but-equal parts of America where everybody was welcome to sit in the front of the bus or at the counter as long as they were white. <snip>

http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/04/08/31_democracy.html

....just some food for thought.

[malaise]

1. Great post

The only issue here is people's first amendment rights.
K & R

[in_cog_ni_to]

3. Thanks, malaise.

I agree.

[H2O Man]

9. Good point.

I think that we should be focused on the very real threats to our Constitution, especially that Bill of Rights. In the past 24 hours, I've been outlining an essay in my mind about Amendment #1, and how it applies to public protests. From reading the numerous threads on DU:GD in these same hours, I think that we could have some outstanding discussions.

[malaise]

12. Can't wait to read it H2O Man n/t

[Enrique]

2. I see them as totally different

for one thing, Bush was involved in establishing the free speech zones, with the intent of preventing people who disagree with him to express it to him.

Was John Kerry involved in the behavior of the UF police? In any way? Does he insist on being protected from questions about Skull and Bones everywhere he speaks?

[zbdent]

4. Remember, there's only outrage when

the person who (even tangentially) is connected to the abuse is a Dem ...

[in_cog_ni_to]

7. No!

That can't be true.:eyes:

[blm]

5. The difference is that Kerry never DIRECTED force be used to remove dissenters - and

IN FACT, was handling the heckler just fine himself when the police read the potential differently as the man continued. Bush and some Dems STOP all dissent as a standing directive. Kerry never does that because he has dissented himself, encourages dissent and handles it just fine on his own.

BTW - did any of those other dissenters push and shove OTHER STUDENTS and audience members to make their stand?

Should the students who were pushed and shoved aggressively while waiting in line to exercise their right to speak be considered inferior to Meyer in this case?

Post Virginia Tech do you think that the other students had no right to expect orderly exercise of free speech?

[Orsino]

16. I suspect that the irony wouldn't be lost on Kerry...

...if he ever caught himself suppressing opposition to a needless, endless war.

[KittyWampus]

6. Cindy Sheehan isn't an attention whore. And goes peacefully when police lead her away after

she makes her political statement. I've never read about her resisting arrest. Have you?

Cindy Sheehan doesn't have a history of heckling for the sake of heckling.

The good Rev was doing nothing more than trying to enter a room. He wasn't disruptive at all.

[lateo]

18. Off topic question...

Did you know Kephra?

[OzarkDem]

8. It helped stop the war in Vietnam

Sitting by politely writing letters to your Congressman won't get the job done.

[blm]

10. Demonstrating peacefully and speaking calmly DID get the job done.

And was done without pushing and shoving the others around you who were also seeking to exercise their right to speak out - and post Virginia Tech those students were entitled to some level of security from a MAN who moved aggressively against them and decided on his own that HIS rights were superior to their rights as speakers and as students seeking education in a SAFE environment for that speech.

[in_cog_ni_to]

13. Kent State and the Chicago Democratic Convention riots were Peaceful protests?

I don't think so.

[blm]

17. Didn't say that - Point was the peaceful acts DID help more to end war.

And the violent acts distracted from that goal.

And did those students have any right to exercise THEIR free speech on that campus and expect to be in a safe environment considering the post Virginia Tech reality they live with and consider every day they wake up on campus? Or was Meyer's rights superior to theirs? He clearly believed their voices were inferior to his and he did not act appropriately.

Kerry did. In his own dissent and arrest in the 70s, and during Meyer's dissent and arrest Monday.

[in_cog_ni_to]

19. The student had a gun? I didn't know that.

That's a new one on me.

The protests...period.... ended the Vietnam War. Peaceful or not. The fact remains, all of them contributed to ending it and, of course, having the media cover them and put them on teevee and in the newspapers didn't hurt either.

[Buzz Clik]

22. Red herring? Oh yeah.

[blm]

23. The MAN did push and shove other students waiting to speak. Kerry was considerate

of him in an effort to keep calm - the police waited and then made a call that the guy was still causing trouble, and thy acted with more force than needed = just as the MAN who pushed and shoved against the other students used more aggression than needed.

The only one who DID act appropriately was Kerry - and yet the lion's share of attacks and distortions are being made against him. From both sides.

[datasuspect]

28. the national guard shot students at kent state

chicago 1968 was a police riot.

[in_cog_ni_to]

11. Exactly right and THAT is why current day protests are IGNORED by the Corporate owned MSM....

they don't want the war to end.:(

[flyarm]

14. Virginia Tech and 33 dead students...has changed many campuses

and many college security proceedures.

I don't say tasering is right..but we may see more of this in the future, as many colleges are faced with lawsuits because they didn't do enough to stop people acting nuts and out of control!

Now would anyone be critisizing the cops if the guy had pulled out a gun???????

how would the cops have known if the guy was armed in a full auditorium ???????

he was out of control..and i believe colleges have the responsibility to protect the masses...

did these cops go to far? i don't know i wasn't there.

I do not know what went on prior to the kid walking into that auditorium.

but i bet there are 33 parents from Virginia Tech who would say the cops didn't go too far.

Oh and my son went to VTech..not last year but in the past and i have total empathy for the parents who sent their kids to college thinking they would be safe at a beautiful campus and school in Blacksburg Virginia..a sleepy little "safe" college town.

I may be wrong , but i do not believe this guy was even a student at that college...if i am incorrect please correct me.

Do we or anyone know if the guy was asked for his college I.D. prior to going into the event??????? I understand he was causing problems before he entered the auditorium...perhaps he should not have been allowed in to disrupt the College forum...i don't have those answers..

but i sure as hell know what a heartbreak Virginia Tech went through..as my cousins son was on that campus that morning....

and my sons former dorm was right next to the dorm where two kids were killed heartlessly.

Perhaps one of the hardest things a parent does is help their kids pick a college to attend and most parents look for safety and security for their children when picking the college or univerisity..

Usually one of the toughest day of a parents life..is leaving their child at that college or univ the first day of freshman year..and was the choice right??? in many regards but security being an important part of the process..... security is a very important part of parents helping their child pick a school to attend.


How many people prior to last year on VTechs campus thought 33 kids could be killed in one morning in a beautiful little town called Blacksburg?????????..on a breathtaking campus ..way away from city lights and a Wonderful school???????

My son was a scholarship Athlete at that school a few years ago..and the safety of that school was one of the bright spots for me in helping my son make the decision to go there.

Lets let the investigation take place before jumping to conclusions..none of us know for sure what exactly occured.

but i do today believe the safety of all the students is a huge responsibility for any school ..and it is their responsibility to provide security for the majority..over a few.

Virginia Tech is a testimony to that.



fly

[Buzz Clik]

15. Did you hear the students applaud when the cops were escorting the asshole out of the auditorium?

Fake outrage is no outrage at all -- just melodrama.

[in_cog_ni_to]

20. No, I didn't. He still didn't deserve to be tasered.

You can continue to support the police state, but I will remain outraged. Not only at what happened to the student, but for the supporters of the abuse.

[Buzz Clik]

21. Perhaps not, but now you are questioning standard police protocol.

He was down and subdued but managed to keep from getting cuffed. He was warned that if he did not cooperate, he would be tasered. He resisted, and he got zapped.

Is this kid a sentient being, or some sort of abulatory mental vegetable?

[TheWraith]

26. Neither, he was trying to do exactly what he did.

Being a drama queen for the cameras, the bad acting, exaggerated screaming, and deliberate disruption of the event. The police reports all said that once he was out of sight of the cameras he was laughing and pleased, and told the officers that it was alright and he knew they were just doing their jobs.

This kid wanted to create exactly this kind of stink.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

24. Hypocrisy. Pure and simple.

We heard the same crap when we disrupted classes in the '60s/'70s. And, when the bosses called the cops and they chased us all over campus and beat up the ones they caught for "resisting arrest", the conservatives cheered the cops, the moderates ignored it all, and the "liberals" wrung their hands and made apologies for the cops.

[TheWraith]

25. Let's start with the fact that the guy at the Kerry event started a fight with police.

Really, there's little no similarity.

[malaise]

27. Kick n/t