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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 02:19 PM
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U.S. ties Iranian leader to bombs killing U.S. troops. The IraN leader. I

have seen this being tied to IraN more generally but not the leader per say!!!!!!!1

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/02/11/iraq.main/index.html

U.S. ties Iranian leader to bombs killing U.S. troops

POSTED: 1900 GMT (0300 HKT), February 11, 2007
Story Highlights
• NEW: U.S. shows evidence it says proves Iran behind deadly bombings
• NEW: Security sweeps planned this week to close 10 Baghdad neighborhoods
• 23 people wounded by mortar attacks in Mosul
• Suicide bombing at police building near Tikrit kills 12

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- The U.S. military Sunday presented evidence it says shows an elite Iranian force under the command of Iran's supreme leader is behind bombings that have killed at least 170 U.S. troops in Iraq.

U.S. officials have made general statements in the past year about Iranian involvement in Iraq, but haven't provided many details.

The charges came at a Baghdad briefing by a senior defense official, a senior defense analyst and an explosives expert, all of whom asked to remain unnamed.

The officials focused on EFPs, or explosively formed penetrators, as evidence that Iran is involved in arming Iraqi insurgents. EFPs can punch through heavily armored vehicles.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 02:23 PM
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1. this must be right....
Iraqis, who until relatively recently had one of the best educated secular populations in the Muslim middle east could never make shaped charges themselves.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 02:27 PM
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2. I've had enough
The world is sitting by as these crimnals plan to bomb and loot another country. Sadly most of the Dems do not appear capable of thinking of anything beyond their next election.

Meanwhile the world screams -Stop George Bush please!
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 02:43 PM
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3. hopefully someone in the pentagon will arrest him for illegal war and remove he and Cheney
our only hope

we shouldnt be in Iraq to begin with
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 03:56 PM
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11. We can only hope
but time is running out.
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judaspriestess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 02:46 PM
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4. the war drums beat is getting louder
I'm worried.............
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ngant17 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 02:50 PM
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5. just plug "America" in place of Iran and see what you get
the reverse is also true: The Iranian military can present evidence it says shows an elite American force under the command of America's supreme leader is behind bombings that have killed at least 170 (thousand) Iraqis in Iraq.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 03:14 PM
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6. US has been actively supporting the pro-Iranian/pro-occupation Hakim clan for the past three years
"...U.S. shows evidence it says proves Iran behind deadly bombings..."

Wonder if this can be traced back to US support of pro-Iranian/pro-occupation Hakim clan? :crazy:


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=3117417

US has been actively supporting the pro-Iranian/pro-occupation Hakim clan for the past three years with weapons, military training, and with efforts to staff the Iraqi army, police, and civil bureaucracies and ministries with Hakim followers, in a similar way to how US is supporting the Iraqi Kurdish pesmerga militias.

~~snip~~

In brief summary then:

Hakim's Badr/SCIRI Shiite organisation is:


1. Pro-Iranian
2. pro-US occupation, and a US proxy-ally force against Iraqi nationalist/anti-occupation groups inside Iraq, at least tactically,
3. Anti-Baathist, anti-Saddam, anti-Sadrist
4. Pro-Iraq partition-fragmentation

Muqtada Sadr's Mehdi/Maliki Shiite organisation is:


1. Pro-Iraqi nationalist; not historically aligned nor particularly friendly with Iran
2. Anti-US occupation; considered to be a threat by the US
3. Anti-Saddam; anti-Hakim; sought alliances with non-sectarian Sunni nationalists in outlying Sunni regions.
4. Opposed to Iraq partition-fragmentation.

For the past three years the US has been supporting the Pro-Iran Hakim Shiites and building up their power as a fighting force against both Sunni and Shiite Iraqi insurgent groups. At the same time the US has been working to wipe out the pro-Iraqi-nationalist Sadr Shiites.


http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:fUOool_cvH0J:theforvm.org/diary/pumpkin-ash/there-are-iraqi-shiites-and-there-are-our-pro-iran-shiites+iranian+shiites&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=10

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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 03:18 PM
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7. oh sure... ...NOW the bombs are 'sophisticated'
up until now they were 'crude' and 'improvised' but SUDDENLY its 'high-tech' ? what a load of malarky.
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 03:19 PM
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8. ¿CNN? So what's this got to do with Anna Nicole what's her name, then?
(Sorry. Was trying to get some real interntional news from a non-interactive screen in a European hotel room over the weekend. Turned out the best available was francophone).
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 03:23 PM
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9. Who Are They Selling This Horeshit To?
The international community? Dare I give props to Putin for speaking the unspoken? Our DU Ex-Pats can easily tell us how well this "proof" sells them and the rest of the world.

Selling it to the "middle"? What middle? There's at least 2/3rds of the country that is against any action in Iran as well as the on-going quagmire in Iraq. Many of these people came to their opposition based on the cooked books and lies of this regime...and this is gonna change minds?

Then there's "the base"...these people want to bomb anything with brown-skinned people inside. For them attacking Iran isn't enough...they want a piece of everyone. Of course they don't want to pay for it in blood or treasure.

The only customers for this astroturfing is the corporate media and the "punditry". War is good business...lots of eyeballs on the screen which means ratings which means money. It means more readers to a column, more talking head appearances and endless self promotion. This is "working the refs" and the refs are long compromised and bought off.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 03:35 PM
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10. Why didn't we attack the USSR and China for providing weapons
during the Korean war and the war in Vietnam? Both countries also had, and still have, nuclear weapons programs much more dangerous than Iran's.

And what about this...

UN denounces Israel cluster bombs

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5299938.stm

A Walk Through the Rubble
Israel's Use of American Cluster Bombs
By FRANKLIN LAMB

Al Sultaneih, Lebanon.

As the initial assessment and clean up of American cluster bombs, estimated at more than 130,000 unexploded bomblets across the south of Lebanon, gets underway, unanticipated findings are emerging:

The breadth and depth of the problem with cluster bombs found in 498 locations in scores of villages as of September 9th was not expected. So far less than 4% have been disposed of, and 0 % of the villages in the south have been certified as safe for domestic or agricultural use by the United Nations ordnance disposal task force.

Even operators of heavy rubble clearing equipment are finding their work is stymied because Israel dropped cluster bombs both before and after many buildings were destroyed by bombs, and therefore cluster bombs are sandwiched between layers of pancaked walls and piles of rubble.

While the M-26 Cluster Bomb Unit may have looked "promising" at military demo shows when observed in ideal conditions of level, obstruction-free open areas, using "polished bomblet" conditions, the reality is very different in villages which are seeing not the military touted "dud rates" in the 1% to 4% range, but rather "dud rates" in the 40-60% range. No weapons with this performance statistic would be taken seriously at arms sale outlets.
MORE....

http://www.counterpunch.org/lamb09142006.html

And who made these...and the ammo they were using?



And these?



And these?




"LET HE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN, CAST THE FIRST STONE!"
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