CNN: White Plane over White House the morning of 9/11 was military "doomsday plane"

[Andre II]

To the mods:
As this is from CNN and is real news I decided to place it here. Hope that's ok.

"Shortly before 10 am on the morning of September 11, 2001, amid rumors of a fourth hijacked plane headed for Washington, DC, a mystery aircraft appeared in restricted airspace over the White House. There has never been an official explanation for this incident, which has provided abundant fuel for 9/11 conspiracy theories.

CNN has now learned from two government sources that the mystery plane was a military aircraft and has determined that the blurry image on video appears to match photos of the Air Force's E-4B (discussed here on Wikipedia), a specially modified Boeing 747 with a communications pod behind the cockpit.

"The E-4B is a state of the art flying command post," CNN explained, "built and equipped for one reason -- to keep the government running no matter what, even in the event of a nuclear war, the reason it was nicknamed the 'doomsday plane' during the Cold War."
http://rawstory.com//news/2007/CNN_investigates_secret_911_doomsday_plane_0913.html

Why is it only acknowledged 6 years later?
And what the plane doing there?

[DJKDJKDJK]

1. Just saw it...

and made a post in another thread how it is so obvious the Government wants to get people riled up about 9/11 Truth. Why is the question. It's obvious they and the Shadow Government were in on it. The Aliens want to come down and land it seems...or come up from underground...or something. The Government hasn't told us a damn thing of truth ever! That much I do know.

Why people continue to vote in conservative candidates and not progressives is beyond me. They're brainwashed you all it seems. Something big is going to happen soon. I can feel it. If not...history repeats itself once more. I think this election will be the last one in this country, at least for president.

I don't think it's the end of the world...but I do think this country is going to break apart when the next war on a new nation comes.

[SoCalDem]

2. And I thought it was the Jesus - Angel Spirit Jet

:)

[flyarm]

3. k&r and thx!!

[CJCRANE]

4. The neocons didn't quite

get their doomsday scenario because of the delayed take-off and subsequent takedown (by passengers or missile) of United 93. If it had reached its target...

[Supersedeas]

5. ....a little morning fear from CNN...

[Vinca]

6. So, apparently, the "leader" of the country would have missed

the plane because he was out in Nebraska somewhere finishing "My Pet Goat."

[Andre II]

7. LOL

:rofl:

[Mountainman]

8. There are other people on the plane who assume the varioius duties of the government.

E-4B



Mission
The E-4B serves as the National Airborne Operations Center for the president, secretary of defense and the Joint Chiefs of Staff. In case of national emergency or destruction of ground command control centers, the aircraft provides a highly survivable, command, control and communications center to direct U.S. forces, execute emergency war orders and coordinate actions by civil authorities.

Features
Air Combat Command is the Air Force single-resource manager for the E-4B, and provides aircrew, maintenance, security and communications support. E-4B operations are directed by the JCS and executed through U.S. Strategic Command. USSTRATCOM also provides personnel for the airborne operations center.

The E-4B, a militarized version of the Boeing 747-200, is a four-engine, swept-wing, long-range, high-altitude airplane capable of being refueled in flight. Its larger size provides approximately triple the floor space of the earlier EC-135 command post.

The main deck is divided into six functional areas: a command work area, conference room, briefing room, an operations team work area, and communications and rest areas. An E-4B crew may include up to 112 people, including a joint-service operations team, an ACC flight crew, a maintenance and security component, a communications team and selected augmentees.

The E-4B has electromagnetic pulse protection, an electrical system designed to support advanced electronics and a wide variety of new communications equipment. Other improvements include nuclear and thermal effects shielding, acoustic control, an improved technical control facility and an upgraded air-conditioning system for cooling electrical components. An advanced satellite communications system improves worldwide communications among strategic and tactical satellite systems and the airborne operations center.

To provide direct support to the president, secretary of defense and the JCS, at least one E-4B is always on alert at one of many selected bases throughout the world.

Background
The E-4B evolved from the E-4A, which had been in service since late 1974. The first B model was delivered to the Air Force in January 1980, and by 1985 all aircraft were converted to B models. All E-4B are assigned to the 55th Wing, Offutt Air Force Base, Neb.

General Characteristics
Primary Function: Airborne Operations Center
Builder: Boeing Aerospace Co.
Power Plant: Four General Electric CF6-50E2 turbofan engines
Thrust: 52,500 pounds each engine
Length: 231 feet, 4 inches (70.5 meters)
Wingspan: 195 feet, 8 inches (59.7 meters)
Height: 63 feet, 5 inches (19.3 meters)
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 800,000 pounds (360,000 kilograms)
Endurance: 12 hours (unrefueled)
Ceiling: Above 30,000 feet (9,091 meters)
Unit Cost: $223.2 million (fiscal 98 constant dollars)
Crew: Up to 112
Date Deployed: January 1980
Inventory: Active force, 4; ANG, 0; Reserve, 0

Point of Contact
Air Combat Command, Public Affairs Office; 130 Andrews St., Suite 202; Langley AFB, VA 23665-1987; DSN 574-5007 or [phone]; e-mail: [email protected]

August 2007



When ever Reagan was at his ranch in Goleta, CA an E-4 was parked at March AFB.


http://www.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?fsID=99

[Andre II]

9. Thanks

Does it have radar in order to surveille the air traffic?

[lovuian]

11. Why wasn't this in the 911 Commission report ???

and this EB4 looks very similiar to a commercial jet

Hiding from the public is not wise and now the 911 Commission has been caught in a lie

[Mountainman]

12. I think the E-4's were originally commercial 747-200's The Air Force and Navy both

buy used commercial 747's, 707's and 737's. They are used for training on planes like the E-4B's. There is nothing mysterious about this at all.

see the following

http://www.uswarplanes.net/military707.html

http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/clipper/

http://www.zap16.com/mil%20fact/B747%20military.htm

[lovuian]

13. so the US military own 747's thats news they could be made to

look like American Airlines jet with the right painting

and if you remember there were reports there was a fourth plane in the air gone awohl from flight patterns

this could be the fourth plane

[Mountainman]

21. The military has always used 747's. Air Force One is the first I think and it was

Reagan's plane. The previous Air Force One was a Boeing 707 Intercontinental. There were two of those 27000 and 26000. 27000 is at the Reagan library. 26000 was the plane that flew Kennedy's body from Dallas and was where Johnson was sworn in. They had to take part of the plane apart to get the coffin on board.

[Andre II]

15. The mystery is simply

what did it do over the White House before 10 a.m.?
Why was it always denied?
Who ordered this plane and why?
And as apparently it arrived even before other air fighters then why wasn't the priority to get fighters there first?

[Mountainman]

17. Bush was away from the White House and that may be the explanation.

I think we would need to understand how the E-4B's are used to understand why it was there. I really don't think there is much to this at all.

[Andre II]

20. Sorry, please explain to me how this plane is normally used

Bush was in Sarasota, Florida on his way to Sarasota Airport when this plane was flying over the White House (and by the way if I recall correctly created panique over there).

[Mountainman]

25. The planes are used as an aerial command post. They are supposedly

able to survive a nuclear attack and keep the country able to respond etc. If the Pentagon/military or the White House/president or Capital/congress were taken out this plane could carry on the government.

Mission
The E-4B serves as the National Airborne Operations Center for the president, secretary of defense and the Joint Chiefs of Staff. In case of national emergency or destruction of ground command control centers, the aircraft provides a highly survivable, command, control and communications center to direct U.S. forces, execute emergency war orders and coordinate actions by civil authorities.

Features
Air Combat Command is the Air Force single-resource manager for the E-4B, and provides aircrew, maintenance, security and communications support. E-4B operations are directed by the JCS and executed through U.S. Strategic Command. USSTRATCOM also provides personnel for the airborne operations center.

The E-4B, a militarized version of the Boeing 747-200, is a four-engine, swept-wing, long-range, high-altitude airplane capable of being refueled in flight. Its larger size provides approximately triple the floor space of the earlier EC-135 command post.

The main deck is divided into six functional areas: a command work area, conference room, briefing room, an operations team work area, and communications and rest areas. An E-4B crew may include up to 112 people, including a joint-service operations team, an ACC flight crew, a maintenance and security component, a communications team and selected augmentees.

The E-4B has electromagnetic pulse protection, an electrical system designed to support advanced electronics and a wide variety of new communications equipment. Other improvements include nuclear and thermal effects shielding, acoustic control, an improved technical control facility and an upgraded air-conditioning system for cooling electrical components. An advanced satellite communications system improves worldwide communications among strategic and tactical satellite systems and the airborne operations center.

[lovuian]

10. Here is the video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKJ3W0X3tXA

there is documented proof

and White House Congress gave no explantation

[LSK]

14. doomsday plane, NORAD asleep, no jets, no video of jet hitting Pentagon

But we are tinfoilers huh?

:shrug:

[WilliamPitt]

16. "And what the plane doing there?"

Because some smart person decided better safe than sorry, given that nobody knew what the fuck was going on.

[Andre II]

18. Well???

And who was this smart person?
And why didn't this smart person ordered fighter jets which would be slightly more capable of defending WDC?
And why was its presence always denied?

[WilliamPitt]

22. 1. Probably the head of NORAD; 2. Don't know; 3. The gov always denies shit like that, even pre-Bush

[Andre II]

26. And you don't think that question two deserves a better answer than

"don't know"?
Or to put it in other words.
The head of NORAD would be not only an idiot but certainly to be held accountable if he tought it was a smart thing to send this white plane over WDC after the towers had already been hit and not two F-15s.
Would you not consider this worth a real investigation?

[WilliamPitt]

29. I think the whole thing is worth a real investigation.

Starting with why Enron's CEO thought their financial situation was about to hugely improve on 8/25/01...because the one healthy division of Enron was their pipeline production and development crew...and a pipeline was about to go from Turkmenistan to India...but "nobody knew that yet."

Or why all the other warnings were ignored.

Or what Laila Helms was doing in Afghanistan in the weeks before 9/11.

Or what the Taliban was doing in Houston during the same time period.

Or why Ashcroft was warned not to fly commercial airliners.

[Andre II]

30. While I agree with the importance of all your points

I strongly believe that the topic of this thread is much more justifying the demand for a real investigation right now.
Somebody here prefered to ask this white plane over the White House though every common sense would demand NOT to position this plane there and every common sense would demand F-15 instead.
Who ordered this plane quite a time BEFORE any real air defense was ordered??
The whole explanation of NORAD (we didn't know, the FAA didn't inform us) etc falls into pieces.

[TwilightGardener]

31. Um, maybe this simply falls into the realm of military secrets--

Seriously--do you need to know this plane's missions and capabilities to this extent? Just because no one is willing to come out and explain the E-4B's presence there doesn't mean it was doing something nefarious. Could just mean that to reveal its mission on that day would put its future missions at risk. I guess that's not as much fun, though.

[lovuian]

33. Willy Pitt I am with you

what the hell were they thinking and doing up there???

[LSK]

19. so fly it over DC when there was another plane in the air???

Why not fly it somewhere safe. Like over the Atlantic?

All hell is breaking loose. These planes are to run the Govt in an emergency. So a smart thing to do is fly it OVER A TARGET???

Come to the tinfoil Will.

:tinfoilhat:

[WilliamPitt]

23. I think it was probably pretty safe...like, in the air and stuff.

No.

:)

[LSK]

24. one of these days...

:tinfoilhat:

:hi:

[Andre II]

28. Why do I think that being over the White House minutes after the Pentagon had been hit

wasn't exactly the safest place...

[lovuian]

34. and No fighters to defend it when we are under attack

either they are stupid or they knew they were safe

[pampango]

42. I vote for stupid.

If they know they are safe, why launch a doomsday plane in the first place? It would make more sense that they would launch such a plane if they didn't know what was going on and thought that the attacks might escalate into a "doomsday" scenario.

If they knew it was just a few planes hitting a few targets, why launch the doomsday plane? Especially if you are going to deny its existence, instead of playing up its presence to convince people that you didn't know what was going on.

[johnnie]

27. So they got this plane in the air that quick..

But had a tough time getting fighter jets in the air? I wonder where this plane was before it took off? I'm not putting on my tinfoil just yet, but I think it puts another interesting piece of the puzzle out there.

[bullwinkle428]

32. So they couldn't be bothered to scramble NORAD, but the "doomsday plane"

was right there in place to witness the conflagration? Oh yeah, move along folks...nothing to see here! :mad: :mad:

[lovuian]

35. exactly and they put up a supposedly defense less plane

which runs the country in a nuclear war with no fighter protection

this stinks and the video proves it

[Andre II]

36. It was part of wargame "Global Guardian"

"Another part of the Global Guardian exercise put three military command aircraft packed with sophisticated communications equipment in the air.

The three E-4B National Airborne Operations Center planes, nicknamed "Doomsday" planes during the Cold War, are based at Offutt.

The airplanes give top government officials alternative command posts from which to direct U.S. forces, execute war orders and coordinate actions by civil authorities in times of national emergency.

Aboard one of the three planes was the Federal Advisory Committee, whose chairman is retired Lt. Gen. Brent Scowcroft. The plane had been dispatched to bring committee members to Offutt to observe Global Guardian.

Military authorities canceled the exercise after the attacks on the World Trade Center towers and the Pentagon, but all three of the E-4Bs remained in the air."
(Omaha World, 2/27/02)

Now, check this out:
A plane being part of an exercise is by pure chance over the White House only minutes after the Pentagon was hit.


Continuing the article about Offutt:
"All eight giant video screens in the command center were loaded up with data, providing Mies the latest information on the unfolding drama as well as information on the status of America's strategic forces involved in the exercise."

Now, wow they should have had a heck of information. Maybe somebody should talk to NORAD about it...

And by pure chance also Mr. President arrived later that day (and Warren Buffett had his money raising event where high-ups from the WTC were)

[Andre II]

37. Why then

did the capacity of Offutt Base not help NORAD?
Why did NORAD depend on the FAA when here in Offutt they had all they needed and moreover a plane right in the center of interest. Moreover due to Global Guardian Offutt was fully stuffed.

[Atman]

38. They had time to crank up the Doomsday Plane, but couldn't scramble fighters?

Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmm.

.

[Andre II]

39. Yes, indeed especially if you read post 36 n/t

[k-robjoe]

40. Kick for post # 36 n/t

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[Andre II]

43. Monitoring the sky of the US?

Hi,

does anybody know if the E-4B which "is a state of the art flying command post," CNN explained, "built and equipped for one reason -- to keep the government running no matter what, even in the event of a nuclear war, the reason it was nicknamed the 'doomsday plane' during the Cold War.""
has the capacity to monitor the sky of the US as the FAA ATCs do?
Many thanks in advance!