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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 08:10 PM
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I think Republicans just lost the Whitehouse
Bush got his way and created just enough momentum (from lies) to continue the surge for another year likely leading to the loss of thousands of more lives for nothing. In my opinion this is one of the sadest moments in our countries history.

So what I believe will occur down the road is a breaking point when Republicans realize talk of staying in Iraq is going to lose them the election. Currently they are holding onto a pipe dream and the Republican base really is stupid enough to think things are turning around and we are going to win and Bush will be labeled the greatest president ever. This pipe dream will last only so long as the Presidential election nears and they realize they are going to lose if they continue to hold onto their pipe dream. When that breaking point occurs there will be all kinds of confusion and infighting within the Republican party and a mass exodus to turn against the war and Bush. But it will be too late.

Of course Republicans will try to spin things as though things are so great that they are drawing down troops but I don't think the American people will buy this.

Bush just boxed in all the Republican candidates accept Ron Paul. He just screwed our military, our country and the Republican party.

Of course, we should NEVER underestimate them. Who knows what they have in their dirty bag of tricks and how skilled they might be at convincing the American people that Iraq is turning into a paradise no matter how grim the facts are.

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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 08:14 PM
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1. Never underestimate the Democrats' ability to fuck up a campaign
Starting with who we end up nominating...
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 08:21 PM
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7. YES
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 08:21 PM
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8. We've won 4 presidential elections in a row.
You're completely wrong.

REPUBLICANS try to fuck up Democratic campaigns and they fail, so they steal them instead.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 08:28 PM
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9. And yet, we've had a Rethug in the White House for 6 1/2 years
Funny how that happens...

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parasim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 08:44 PM
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13. If the race is so close to allow stealing...
...then the Dems aren't really doing enough, I don't think.

I mean, I can't believe a Democrat didn't win by a landslide in 2004 (or in 2000, for that matter), but no, the race was so close that it enabled the Republicans to steal the damn thing.

and sure, the Dems won big (actually, not that big in the Senate) in 06 but they seem to be squandering any advantage they might have gained, so, I'm skeptical of there being a sure-fire win in 08 of a Democrat in the presidential race.

Frankly, I didn't spend much time on politics while Clinton was president, but was the media biased towards Dems in those days? Because these days, the media, I believe, has enabled the Republicans to win the power that they have today. So, with media attacking Democrats and the Democrats themselves fucking up, I think the presidential race is still up for grabs.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 09:13 PM
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17. Excellent point. Democrats should be walking away with these elections
These constant displays of timidity and triangulation turn off so many voters. If we ever were to nominate a real, fire-breathing progressive, I think the Democrats would be shocked at how many new voters would turn out for them.
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parasim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 09:33 PM
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20. "a real, fire-breathing progressive"... that sure would be nice...
we really do need that, don't we?
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 09:04 PM
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15. And don't underestimate Repukes and caging lists and electoral vote maneuvers and ...
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90-percent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 08:16 PM
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2. White House Republicans
This group should lose their freedom for the rest of their natural lives for the traitorous destruction they have wrought upon our country.

The hell with losing their elections. They should loose their rights as free human beings over their war crimes and criminal incompetence!

-85% jimmy
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 08:20 PM
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3. This is the reason I believe we'll have another attack in '08, just before the election. They KNOW
Edited on Wed Sep-12-07 08:21 PM by in_cog_ni_to
they're going to lose the election by supporting this illegal invasion and they just don't care. Why? I think their agenda is to have another attack, declare Martial Law, suspend the election and voil, the Dictator is then in place.

It's either that, or KKKRove is out setting up evoting machines to steal another election. It's the only way they can win and they know it.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 08:20 PM
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4. Is he gonna dissolve the United States soon like Putin dissolved Russia today? nt
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junkiebrewster Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 09:01 PM
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14. I'm getting kinda tired...
I'm getting kinda tired of the lack of knowledge about parliamentary governments around here. What Putin did is perfectly normal, people. Spoke to my friend in St.Petersburg today. She's not worried in the least, because this happens before every election. It happened 4 times under Yeltsin. Sometimes, there is no evil conspiracy.

OK, off of my soapbox.
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 08:21 PM
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5. I think from Katrina, through the Iraq escalation and the middle class mortgage crunch, they have.
To name a few particular low points.

Add the perception that loyalists are bailing left and right, for whatever reasons, and the upcoming AG confirmation - with the expected review of the DOJ's outrageous politicization - and I think they're toast.

:kick:
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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 08:21 PM
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6. I tend to agree. Like you say, every candidate except Ron Paul is now on the hook
with this war. They cannot distance themselves from it as much as the Democrats can. By next year, those who support the war will be even fewer. The Republican nominee will look ridiculous to most people as he tries to defend this war, to whatever degree.

And McCain is out. Those on InTrade...sell!
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 08:28 PM
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10. This is going to turn into a campaign commercial just in time for the election
Look, we are reducing our forces in Iraq. Which we know is BS.
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tulsakatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 08:43 PM
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12. yeah, right!
reducing to pre-surge levels which is no reduction!

Still, I'm sure the GOP will find a way to spin that.......
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 08:32 PM
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11. I hope you are right. We need a purge.
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 01:07 AM
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22. But in this case, it is a Binge and Purge
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 09:11 PM
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16. When you add
30,000 troops one year and remove them the next, leaving the original 130,000, that IS NO DRAW DOWN.

I think spastic george really believes his own magic tricks.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 09:27 PM
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18. Bush is clearly just trying to pass this on to the next president
He doesn't care about the troops, he doesn't care about Iraq, he doesn't care about his own party. All he cares about is trying to prevent being labeled as the person who lost the war and was forced by Democrats and Republicans to pull out or Iraq.

Just pass the problem onto the next person. :puke:
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losthills Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 09:29 PM
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19. I think Republicans are going to win the Whitehouse.
Because no Democratic candidate will commit to bringing all the troops home, and the Democratic congress won't either....
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 09:41 PM
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21. It's hard to believe the Dems are going to allow Bush/Cheney to merely waltz
out of DC. perhaps even starting a war with Iran? - This makes me think the Dems are republicans too...!
Oil Prices - defense contracts $$$
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