Forget this nonsense about moveon apologizing to BetrayUs

[proud2BlibKansan]

It's a smokescreen!! Talking about moveon keeps them from talking about the general's report, the deceptions it contains and it keeps them from discussing a plan to end the war.

But I do believe there is an apology due. The Democrats we elected owe US an apology. For refusing to hold Bush accountable, for failing to stop the war (they supported the damned 'surge' right after we elected them!!), for voting for FISA, for refusing to make the general swear in on Monday, for arresting citizens who are merely wanting representation, for refusing to even consider impeachment and for caving in to the WORST president ever and the most deceptive and dishonest group of republicans in our lifetimes.

So let's talk apology, but not from moveon. I am not a big moveon fan, but they did a great thing this week and that ad not only rocks but is dead on accurate. And you know what else? moveon has something the Democrats in Congress don't have - A SPINE!!

[underpants]

1. They are attacking the messenger for attacking the messenger

In that regard MoveOn was wrong illadvised and counterproductive in doing that ad THAT way.

[proud2BlibKansan]

4. Who did not know ahead of time that the general's report

was going to be a whitewashed version of reality? Moveon didn't tell anyone anything we didn't already know. But they took the wind out of bush's sails. Too bad our Dems don't jump up on that boat and ride it out of the harbor.

[babylonsister]

2. You go, proud! Recommended! nt

[Double T]

3. Moveon.org's REAL message has been muddled by their own..........

vindictive BS, unfortunately!

[proud2BlibKansan]

5. What vindictive BS?

[Double T]

10. 'General BetrayUs' is vindictive and completely obscured Moveon.org's..........

very important message that is based on the bushco heinous, manipulated facts.

[proud2BlibKansan]

11. Was his report honest?

Did anyone with a brain expect it to be honest?

Why should we be polite and courteous when the war mongers lie to get what they want?

[Double T]

22. Don't forget, 'WE' are BETTER than them!!!!!

Let's keep it polite, courteous and above the belt.

[proud2BlibKansan]

23. yes that has worked well so far!!

:sarcasm:

[Double T]

27. There a HUGE difference between being a whiny, weak kneed wimp........

and being respectful of a guy whose BOSS is a controlling a-hole.

[proud2BlibKansan]

34. And if that guy lies and those lies result in death,

being respectful gets us exactly where?

[Mz Pip]

8. I agree

MoveOn walked right into this. They gave the RW pundits the ammunition to shoot the messenger, so to speak.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[proud2BlibKansan]

19. And the Dems need to be replying with questions about

the accuracy of the general's report.

Moveon set the table for them. But they are too stupid or too cowardly to come and sit at the table.

[proud2BlibKansan]

36. Actually, MoveOn gave the Dems the perfect opening

and they refused to take it. They should be playing offense instead of defense.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

15. Vindictive means to be revengeful, unforgiving.

Petraeus is an utter bastard, and never be forgiven.

If Moveon did anything wrong, it's by not going far enough.

[OHdem10]

6. The GOP does not want people discussing the fact

that they continue to support a WAR WITH NO END.

[proud2BlibKansan]

12. Yes you get it

:)

[Bitwit1234]

7. WHY in the devil are the democrats afraid to take a stand

against the republicans and their lying, crooked, illegal ways. I cannot imagine the republicans sitting on their butts and letting the democrats get away with what the Dem's are letting the republicans get away with.

Where were these so called "righteous" butts when the swift boat mud crawlers were telling lies about John Kerry. After all they were lies and were proven. The republicans call us traitors, commies, demoncrats etc etc and who is starting a resolution in congress to sanction THEM. ann the man, rush, and the fox nest of scum.

[proud2BlibKansan]

16. They are spineless, that's why.

They were also fooled and I think they are afraid to admit it.

Remember the story about the congressman who told a town meeting in his district a month ago that bush called a group of Dem reps to the White House in 2003 and showed them pictures of drones with weapons attached and claimed the CIA took the pictures in Iraq? Then he realized later those pictures were fake? Yet he is just now, 4 years later, telling this story?

Bush lies and gets away with it and the Dems he lies to are too spineless to admit they were fooled by his lies.

I really believe that is what this is all about.

[TankLV]

25. Umm - one "small" point: bush* NEVER met with ANY dems - he only met with REPUKES. Period.

He had MANY secret and not secret meetings with REPUKE ONLY. NO Dems invited. EVER...

And don't forget the many times REPUKES actually LOCKED Dems out of committee rooms because they "didn't need their votes". Actually LOCKED THEM OUT!!!

[proud2BlibKansan]

29. Yes there is a congressman reporting that he

met with Bush right before the war. And Bush showed them pictures of these drones. Could have sworn he was a Dem congressman but maybe I am mistaken.

[leftchick]

31. the "they are afraid" meme is a myth

The are complicit war mongers. I think it has something to do will profits and oil, big corporations and the like. Fuck the people!

[station agent]

9. This from the people who wouldn't apologize for anything

Swiftboats ring a bell?

[proud2BlibKansan]

17. Ding Ding Ding!!

[goodhue]

13. amen

eom

[truebrit71]

14. They have nothing to apologize for....

..the ad was spot-on.

[bobthedrummer]

18. K&R

IMPEACH CHENEY FIRST

[proud2BlibKansan]

20. Thanks Bob

[cali]

21. Is there anyone here who thinks they should apologize?

I thought the ad was a stategic error and a big distraction, but I don't think that under any circumstances anyone should apologize. In addition, those "spineless" dems both in the House and the Senate have already shot down the pukes on this.

And oh, I'm not saying don't attack Petraeus or anyone else, I'm saying, do it smart.

[TankLV]

26. It was BRILLIANT ad - everyone's talking about it - hence it worked ROYALLY...

Far from a "strategic error" and "big distraction" - it put ICE WATER on the repuke spin for Betrayus' "report"...

[cali]

28. Whaaa?

They're all talking about everything BUT the fact that the surge is a disaster, and dems in DC are playing defense, big time.

[robinlynne]

24. thank-you! Let's end this war!

[leftchick]

30. did you hear nancy's strong message?

I missed the part where she says they will stop funding the occupation.

[leftchick]

33. here is a decent analysis....

<snip>

Equally content to merely watch the sand in Bush’s hourglass run out, Pelosi has turned to a dangerous political game of “blame Bush” and hollow rhetoric. The Speaker’s website, The Gavel, crafts spurious allegations that it is Bush’s veto pen, and a lack of a super-majority in the Senate, that is the reason Congress is unable to fulfill their election promise to America. This is the penultimate, intolerable excuse for being unable to deliver a mandate to President Bush to cease hostilities in Iraq.

However, the definitive, insufferable failure on Speaker Pelosi’s part is her statement that the Bush-Petraeus plan is “an insult to the intelligence of the American people.” To the contrary, Bush has bullied, lied, and been outright indifferent to the demands of the American people. It is Pelosi’s dissembling, amid a tempest of empty vitriol indicting Bush for Congress’ failures, which is the damning insult to our intelligence.

Nancy Pelosi’s invective to America’s wisdom began when she took impeachment “off the table” and ended when she commenced funding Bush’s illegitimate war. America is no longer only insulted by Pelosi’s inactions and cowardice, but increasingly angry and restive.

In truth, it is not Bush’s veto pen or the lack of votes in Congress causing a deadly, failed foreign policy to drag on into its fifth year. It is Speaker Pelosi’s acquiescence and incompetence that is the centerpiece of culpability and the reason why we are still expending blood and dollars in Iraq.

As Speaker of the House, Pelosi ultimately determines what legislation is, or is not, brought to the floor in the House. As such, she has no constitutional directive that demands she allocate any further funding for Iraq. No legislation is requisite. No vote is necessary. All that is bluntly needed is for Pelosi to say “no” to Bush, and “You have the money to bring the troops home.”

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_frank_j__070912_pelosi_s_gavel_prove.htm

[proud2BlibKansan]

37. I was gonna ask

what strong message?

[leftchick]

38. here you go

and I was being sarcastic.....

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_frank_j__070912_pelosi_s_gavel_prove.htm

Yesterday, Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, condemned Bush’s failed occupation in Iraq as “a path to 10 more years of war in Iraq.” Claiming, “The American people long ago rejected the President’s plan to stay in Iraq,” Pelosi additionally called General Petraeus’ report “endless war” and a “status quo” sales pitch for a permanent footprint in Iraq.

The newly dubbed “Bush-Petraeus plan” is neither innovative or a new strategy to wind down an unfounded and once wholly avoidable war of aggression. This continued shell game to run out the clock on Bush’s tragic presidency only brings troop levels in Iraq back down to the pre-surge level of 130,000 troops by April of next year. The proverbial goal post has once again been moved another six months down the battlefield.

<snip>

However, the definitive, insufferable failure on Speaker Pelosi’s part is her statement that the Bush-Petraeus plan is “an insult to the intelligence of the American people.” To the contrary, Bush has bullied, lied, and been outright indifferent to the demands of the American people. It is Pelosi’s dissembling, amid a tempest of empty vitriol indicting Bush for Congress’ failures, which is the damning insult to our intelligence.

Nancy Pelosi’s invective to America’s wisdom began when she took impeachment “off the table” and ended when she commenced funding Bush’s illegitimate war. America is no longer only insulted by Pelosi’s inactions and cowardice, but increasingly angry and restive.

In truth, it is not Bush’s veto pen or the lack of votes in Congress causing a deadly, failed foreign policy to drag on into its fifth year. It is Speaker Pelosi’s acquiescence and incompetence that is the centerpiece of culpability and the reason why we are still expending blood and dollars in Iraq.

[Just-plain-Kathy]

32. Happy to give you the 10th recommend!!

The Democrats we elected do owe US an apology.

[proud2BlibKansan]

35. Thank you Kathy.