"We find Mr. Obama's Christianity woefully deficient"

[Bluebear]

PRESS RELEASE

Contact: Gary McCullough, publicist, 202-546-0054; Reverend Rob Schenck, National Clergy Council, 703-447-7686 cell

WASHINGTON, Feb. 10 /Christian Newswire/ -- Rev. Rob Schenck, (pronounced SHANK) president of the National Clergy Council, released this statement today following Barack Obama's announcement of his candidacy for president of the United States:

"Barack Obama began his presidential campaign today with the words, 'All honor and glory to God.'

"While all Christians should welcome the public acknowledgment of God by a serious presidential contender, such a bold pronouncement and infusion of Christian faith into his campaign will require much of Mr. Obama.

"Jesus Christ said by what measure we judge others, we will be judged. By injecting his faith so directly into his campaign, Mr. Obama has invited an examination and debate focused on his faith. Sadly, we will find Mr. Obama's Christianity woefully deficient."

Sarasota, Florida Media Availability: Sunday, February 11, Mr. Schenck will comment on Barack Obama's and other candidacies in his sermon as guest preacher at the Fellowship of Believers Church, 3333 12th Street, Sarasota, FL 34237. He will be available for interviews following the 10 AM service. Church telephone number is 941-957-3333

http://www.earnedmedia.org/ncc0210.htm

[stray cat]

1. Obama's actions on behalf on the downtrodden are sufficient for me

Actions speak louder than empty words such as those muttered by Bush.

[applegrove]

62. Exactly. The question is how one walks the walk. Nothing else!

[liberaldemocrat7]

77. Not many Republicans, a christian in my view.

If anyone violates the principles of Christ's teachings, to me it appears most Republicans with their Herbert Hooverite economics, Laissez faire government and economics, and their Christofascist social engineering.

Effing right wingers do not own Christ nor his franchise.

[Az]

2. "Sadly, we will find Mr. Obama's Christianity woefully deficient" Sounds like a threat

Sigh.... they do know that the White House is a government building and not a church right?

[youthere]

127. Notice he doesn't say WHY they find it woefully deficient.

[bif]

3. Fuck you and the horse you rode in on.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

46. I wish you would speak your mind more.

'cause I agree completely with the hidden message you hint at.

[President Kerry]

4. and who gave you the power and more importantly the right to judge other people's faith, Mr. Skank?

it's kind of un-Jesuslike..

[Bluebear]

5. They must have some "Faith-O-Meter" that the candidates have to pass

Disgraceful, ain't it?

[Az]

16. Is that anything like the God Detector?

[Bluebear]

19. LOL

[laughingloudly]

126. It's not Obama's beliefs that are in question...

Obama is not now a Muslim. There is even evidence he was never a "Muslim" (accepted the faith after indoctrination). However, Obama admits that his father was Muslim. By Quranic teachings, the faith of Obama's father makes him a "Muslim" (he has a "Muslim" name and his father was a Muslim even if he was not "active" and even if he hasd no contact after age 2). His attendance at a predominantly Muslim school supports that "perception" (his step-father enrolled him in that school and then, subsequently into a Catholic school). Maybe Obama is not Muslim in our eyes as Americans, but how is he perceived in the eyes of Muslims throughout the world? I accept Obama exactly as he presents himself; but, how does Khomeini and Ahmadinejad perceive him?

http://www.answering-islam.de/Main/Responses/Abualrub/terrorism2.htm
http://www.ropma.net/killing_by_beheading_is_islamic.htm
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/186399.php
http://www.islam-watch.org/ImranHossain/apostasy_in_islam.htm

What I most concerned about is that by Koranic teachings, Obama is an apostate and it is the duty of Muslims to behead apostates. Would Obama become a target of assassination? Would foreign leaders seek to have him killed? Would domestic Muslim clerics in the US call for his death? Would he be condemned by the 1.6 billion Muslims in the world (25% of the population)? Would he be avoided by world leaders so as not to offend their citizens or the leaders of other nations? Any person's religion is fine for Americans. But if one sect (Islam) calls for the death of apostates, and we elect one as President, what effect will that have on foreign policy? Just look at what resulted from a Danish newspapaer publishing drawings of Mohammed! What if the Danish leader had been a child of a Muslim father?

http://www.themodernreligion.com/family/children_rights.htm
http://www.alinaam.org.za/library/names.htm
http://talkislam.com/names/show_names.php?cat_id=17&count=70&strAlpha=B&sexOrder=1
http://www.childsupportanalysis.co.uk/analysis_and_opinion/choices_and_behaviours/islam_paternity_test.htm

It would be worthwhile to ask a Muslim cleric to address the issue of whether Barack Obama is considered a Muslim by Quranic law. I would suggest that any cleric who has looked at Obama's history would conclude that he was Muslim in heritage. That seems almost undeniable. It does not matter what Obama himself believes or how he describes himself; it is how he is perceived in the Muslim community, the Ummah.

It's just scary!

[rebel with a cause]

134. Right, evidently this guy does not know

his scriptures or the meaning of them. "Jesus Christ said by what measure we judge others, we will be judged." I believe this refers to God on judgement day, not other people.

But if you want to take it his way, then if you judge people harshly then it is ok perhaps for you to be judged on that same level? So Mr. Skank has been judged by me and found to have his "Christianity woefully deficiant". Good thing I already say that my "Christianity is woefully deficiant", none of you get to judge me on it. ;-) :7

[SemperEadem]

6. and mr. Schenk should also remember another teaching of Jesus

"judge not lest ye be judged".

To sit up and judge and measure another person's level of christianity is the epitome of pride... and pride goes befor destruction and the haughty spirit before the fall. mr. Schenk should make note of that little thing before opening up his big, offensive mouth.

[City Lights]

7. Spoken like a true hypocrite. eom

[Bolo Boffin]

8. Who asked this guy?

Has this guy never read the Sermon on the Mount?

Also in Romans 14:4, Paul said: Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

Mr. Schenck isn't commenting on candidacies, he's commenting on another person's place before God. He is way out of line.

[AspenRose]

23. .

:yourock:

[Spiffarino]

43. Amen!

Schenck should shut his pie hole and open his heart for a few hours to read the WHOLE Bible, not just the parts he agrees with.

How incredibly self-righteous.

[WernhamHogg]

57. Read the bible?

My guess is this guy, like many other right wing "Christians", has NEVER actually read the bible, except maybe the few passages which condemn homosexuality and those passages which they interpret as being against abortion.

There is a New Testament to the Bible?!?! Jesus who???

[Coexist]

129. Well put..

best response of all.

[msongs]

9. typical christian arrogance and BS - as if "glory to god" can only be a christian concept when

in fact a rock in your backyard can be as much god as anything, and the rocks in my back yard have never murdered anybody in the name of jesus.

Msongs
www.msongs.com

[struggle4progress]

71. "National Clergy Council" is a rightwing front group with no "typical christian" aspect

[Critters2]

75. Exactly. I don't know anyone who belongs to it. nt

[Benhurst]

10. I'm sure all our candidates will be held up to the standard

of our war-mongering, unelected, born-again Leader, George Walker Bush, who sets a high bar, indeed.

[sarge43]

11. (Sigh) One more freaking time

Rev, here's a copy of the Constitution of the United States of American. Open it, turn to Article 6, section 3. Now read .... ataboy.

Got it now?

[LibDemAlways]

12. Wonder what this moron will say about

Mitt Romney's Mormonism or Guiliani's Catholicism or McCain's affiliation with the Episcopal Church. This guy sounds like a fundie wingnut who only accepts one narrow view of the "correct" religion - his own.

[momster]

51. What Will He Say?

Absolutely nothing. It's different when he's talking about a republican, doncha know. Just having that R after your name sheds the Glory of the Heavens all over your campaign.

Where's that Sarcasm thing?

[LibDemAlways]

55. I think someone who's that far gone will

have something to say about Romney and Guiliani in particular. McCain he'll go easy on only because the little flip-flopper has lately been sweet talking the evangelical crowd and showing up at places like Liberty U.

Of course it wouldn't matter if Jesus himself showed up and told him to STFU about Obama. That "D" is Obama's real sin.

[catzies]

13. Wonder what they think of *'s professed Christianity - which I find woefully deficient

Nuff said.

[Cocoa]

14. Obama isn't running for the republican primary

someone tell this guy.

[Tanuki]

15. This Schenk is the same asshole who

"appeared to question the religious devotion of those who prayed for miners trapped in a West Virginia mine, then warned that "God rebuked nations who only turned to Him in their most extreme moments of need." He is a sick, hateful fool.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200601110002

[Bluebear]

18. Oh that's another delightful find there.

Unreal.

[LeftishBrit]

65. That makes me feel SICK!!!

How cruel!

If he's that keen on the Bible, he should read the parable of the Good Samaritan, where the adherent of the 'wrong' religion who actually helps someone is shown to be better than people who show off how religious they are, but don't bother to help people in trouble.

[Kazak]

17. "Mr. Schenck will comment on Barack Obama's and other candidacies in his sermon..."

And promptly surrendering his church's tax-exempt status as well, I presume... :eyes:

[AspenRose]

20. I'm sure Jesus would find your judging other people woefully

inappropriate, "reverend."

[Skidmore]

21. Perhaps the reverend should get a few phone calls asking

him more about how he interprets judging others. Maybe he should be reminded that the Bible teaches that we should "judge not, lest you be judged by the same measure." He perhaps should be asked about the standard set by Christ in the Sermon on the Mount and in the Golden Rule. Then he should be asked about who died and appointed him God.

[Jonathan50]

22. Apparently Obama doesn't realize or doesn't care how that sounds to the non religious

All honor and glory to the Easter Bunny ;)

Not wanting to denigrate anyone's faith, but this God thing in American politics has gone way too far.

When I was raised a theist, I was taught that one's religion was a private matter between oneself and God.

Matthew 6:6
But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

[Bluebear]

25. The irony is that Barack tried to "reach out" to Evangelicals

This is part of the result. When he spoke at the "Purpose Driven church" in the OC a few weeks ago he was similarly protested and picked apart.

Well, he tried at least. I guess.

[fooj]

24. Woefully deficient?

What's their reasoning for helping to insert THE SPAWN OF THE DEVIL into OUR White House.

Woefully deficient. Says who? What a bunch of pious assholes.

[shadowknows69]

26. Do these fuckers even open their bibles anymore?

Can't be reading the same one I did.

[SaveElmer]

31. Given their actions and statements...I think we can safely say...

No they do not!!!

[kenny blankenship]

27. I see there's still no surer way to ascertain the Xianity of someone

than to listen to them and learn how quickly they violate Christ's commandment against judging others.

[Berry Cool]

28. There's no arguing with these people.

They think they are right, and the only Christians are "their" kind of Christians, and no one else comes up to snuff.

All I can do is sigh.

[alfredo]

29. Rev, We find your humanity woefully deficient.

[skipos]

30. Let me guess... a Republican candidate who is all about opposing gay

marriage and doing nothing about poverty will be A OK to Schenck?

[The Straight Story]

32. I think some here see his liberalism as woefully deficient

That guy is getting it from all sides. He has my primary vote though :)

Liked him the day he won the election in Chicago (I was lucky enough to be there at the time). He is very articulate :)

[Bluebear]

35. And clean, don't forget clean,

I like him the more I see him too, actually!

[hfojvt]

33. he may or may not have a point

I would like to see his standards, but I also immediately wonder if he has ever preached a sermon about our Liar-in-chief, servant of the Father of Lies. I certainly have always found George W. Bush's Christianity to be woefully deficient. Unless there is some denomination of Christianity that Bush belongs to that commands its followers to lie like a sack of excrement.

[fooj]

What's his excuse for helping to insert the SPAWN OF THE DEVIL

into OUR WHITE HOUSE?

[HockeyMom]

34. They shouldn't campaign on their "christianity", PERIOD

We do NOT have a theocracy. A President of the USA is elected to represent the people of America of ALL faiths, and NONE.

As one of our state reps (Republican at that) said a while ago, "I was elected to represent the people of this state, of ALL and NO faiths." "I was not elected to be a bishop of the Catholic Church". He said this, FYI, on why he wrote the bill for OTC Morning After Pill.

THAT is the kind of elected official we need more of.

[blogslut]

36. Rev. Rob Schenk

...standing next to his "idea" of a christian:

[Bluebear]

37. Perfect. nt

[alarimer]

38. If we only had more such "deficient Christians" running

I take this press release to mean he is not pandering enough to the fundamentalist freaks out there. Good. In fact that's great. I hope Obama and the others ignore those folks altogether.

[shadowknows69]

40. Actually this alone might be the endorsement that causes me to vote for him

Anything to piss off the fundies.

[alarimer]

86. I have a feeling they hate Hillary more though

Because she's a woman, and, you know, not in the kitchen baking cookies or whatever. Actually I hope all our potential nominees win this kind of "endorsement". I am waiting for the day when no one has to be a Christian to run for office, or even pretend to be one.

[spanone]

39. That puts Obama one more notch up in my vote!

March on you Christian hypocrites.

[unblock]

41. someone please call the irs!

by injecting his politics so directly into his sermon, mr. schenck has invited an examination and debate focued on his church's non-profit status. sadly, we will find mr. schenck's tax compliance woefully deficient.

[Critters2]

80. Precisely. It is patently illegal to use a sermon for a partisan speech.

Hell, if this were allowed, I'd be preaching Dem politics every damn Sunday. But there are laws...and my church likes its 501(c)3 status.

[unblock]

83. like most laws, those crazy tax laws only apply to democrats, silly!

:eyes:

[Critters2]

84. You're right. What was I thinking? nt

[kitkat65]

42. The Christian Cartel

Christian Newswire, Standard Newswire, Catholic Newswire, Christian News Network. Who else?

[BlooInBloo]

44. (shrug) I find christianity woefully deficient.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

48. LOL!

I'd call it a gutter religion but Louis Fear-a con already used that term.
Let's see just for staters, Dark Ages, anyone?

[jonnyblitz]

67. you and me both. nt

[Spiffarino]

45. Time to start a letter-writing campaign.

I didn't see a contact link on the site (OK, I didn't stay long...can you blame me?) but I think it might do some good to give Mr. Schenck an idea of how much we value his opinion on another man's faith.

:evilgrin:

[Critters2]

94. Better yest, write the IRS concerning the tax-exempt status of the

Fellowship of Believers church in Sarasota, FL.

[Spiffarino]

125. Yes indeedy. And furthermore...

...talk to your own clergy and find out where they stand on this issue and humbly suggest they mention in their sermons that it is important to concentrate on one's own faith rather than casting aspersions on others'.

[saltpoint]

47. "Deficient" ?!? I find it exemplary.

Did we hear from the good Reverend Schenck about George W. Bush's Christianity as the bombs fell on Baghdad?

Did we hear from him on the that subject when the photographs of Abu Ghraib were flashed across the world via the web?

Or does he just do hit jobs on Democrats?

[zanne]

49. That's hilarious!

They just can't stand being "one-upped" in the God thing.

[LeftishBrit]

50. Who made Gary McCullough God?

I thought judging other people's Christianity (as opposed to their actions) was supposed to be wrong, as only God could know people's hearts?

'For humanity’s sake, Obama must err on the side of preserving those things that matter most: the public acknowledgment of God, the Sanctity of Marriage, and the Sanctity of Life'

Who said, even in the Bible, that these are the things that matter most? There are a lot of things that matter. And I thought he did publicly acknowledge God.

I thought that the things that mattered most in the Bible included 'faith, hope and charity, and the greatest of these is charity'; how you treat 'the least of these'; and 'loving thy neighbour as thyself'.

It sometimes seems as though the ONLY issues that matter to American Christian conservatives are homosexuality and abortion.

And smoking? I'll be honest: when I first (as a non-smoker) read the smoking threads on DU, I thought that the accusations of 'smoking nazism', 'hatred for smokers', etc. were just paranoia or an excuse for those who did not wish to be considerate about their smoking, or accommodate the health needs of those who can't cope with cigarette smoke. But by now I have become quite shocked by the attitudes that some people have about smokers. I wish Obama could stop smoking, because I'd like him to have the best chance of staying in politics for many years - why should it always be the likes of Thurmond who get to retire at the age of 100? But I don't see how it's a sin, any more than drinking too much coffee or eating too much chocolate. Or do the Christian Right also hate people who do those things?

Whether there's a God or not, it's not Bush!

[CoffeeCat]

52. I wonder if...

...starting a war based on lies and murdering tens of thousands of innocent
men, women and children--will get the same "examination" and "debate" that these
clowns are giving to Obama's "faith".

Religion---one more thing that is crumbling into an evil pile of rubble.

[madrchsod]

53. hey rev. bob.......it`s not up to you to judge!

remember rev. bob you are just his servant only god can judge obama`s faith. what makes you any better than any one else bob? bob,jesus told me you should shut your mouth lest you be cast in the pit....

[Porcupine]

54. Got a little beam in your eye size of a redwood. nt.

.

[longship]

56. Another reason to be very wary of Mr. Obama.

I cannot suffer candidates who invoke "gawd" at every opportunity. This is a very strong reason why I am most uncomfortable with the good Senator's candidacy.

Putting it succinctly, I will not support any candidate who feels that they have to pander to Christians, no matter what their other capabilities are.

Obama does this so damned often, that he is very near the bottom of my list.

President Carter was one of the most religious presidents of the 20th century and you never heard him pandering like that. Likewise, Al Gore.

Note to prospective flamers, I'm not against religious presidents, I'm only against those who would overtly use their religiosity to promote themselves. I think this country has had enough of that bullshit with the Republicans.

I am not a Christian. Screw Obama.

[Clark2008]

109. If the candidate in question is Christian, then what's the problem?

Is it pandering when a candidate says he has faith?

At what point do you reconcile your hatred of Christians with the fact that every single presidential candidate running - on both sides - says or is a Christian - because they all are.

That said, as a Christian, if the candidate I thought could do the best job was Jewish or Muslim or an atheist, it wouldn't matter to me one whit. I'm not voting for a Pope or a Mullah.

[longship]

116. This is precisely what upsets me

I do not hate christians. However, I despise when politicals frame their rhetoric with Gawd-this and Gawd-that. There is a presumption on their part--just as their is apparently the same presumption on *your* part--that *everybody* in the US is Christian, or believes in some Gawd.

It matters to me very much that the people running this country seem to think that people like me, who are not christian, are somehow less important.

And yes, it is pandering. You never heard Carter say things like that. You never heard Gore or Clinton do that, either. Just the looney Republics... and Obama.

I can't stand it. The US is *NOT* a christian country. When politicals invoke gawd at all opportunities, I call it pandering, if not outright proselytization. Either way, it sucks.

I don't give a whit about a person's religious beliefs. However, they should keep them to themselves in the political sphere.

It really is quite simple. We have a secular government. It must remain so.

[Gold Metal Flake]

58. Um...

"Jesus Christ said by what measure we judge others, we will be judged. By injecting his faith so directly into his campaign, Mr. Obama has invited an examination and debate focused on his faith."

Wow. Miss the point much?

[Cha]

59. And I should give a good

shite because..? :shrug:

Fucking cultists,dangerous religious terrorists!

[otohara]

60. Photo On Website "Keeping Company With The Best of Gods Servants" Bush

that says it all...They think Dimson is a real Christian.
http://www.nationalclergycouncil.org/photos.html

[karlrschneider]

61. Well, my irony meter is now FUBAR

"Jesus Christ said by what measure we judge others, we will be judged."

??????????????

What a fucking tool.
:grr:

[karlrschneider]

63. Contact page to Skank

http://www.faithandaction.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=7

[Vinca]

64. How, exactly, does one put a person on the Christian-meter

for a high or low reading? Isn't religion (or lack thereof) supposed to be a personal matter?

[Colobo]

66. I find the IQs of the fundies

to be woefully deficient.

[aaronbees]

68. I find Obama's sense of Christianity...

wonderfully inspiring! Hey, Schenck, you don't represent the real values of many Americans so take a hike, gasbag!

[Olney Blue]

69. Last week, Obama was a dangerous Muslim. This week, a bad Christian.

Wonder what they will think of next week.

:eyes:

[Katherine Brengle]

70. Waaaaaaaah. Judge not.

People like that f*ing piss me off.

YOUR way of being Christian doesn't meet MY standards, therefore you are not good enough.

Whatever.

[Miss Chybil]

72. Hey, Rev: It's judge not lest ye be judged.

You stupid fucking moron.

Amen.

[smoogatz]

73. Who gives a flying fuck what this fundie douchebag thinks

about this or anything else? It's time for progressives to start telling these sanctimonious pinheads to go fuck themselves.

[treestar]

74. He started out with "Glory to God" and they're still not satisfied?

Deficient in what way, you asshole? (Schenk). In fact, who asked you?

[niyad]

76. annnnd--the ignorance, bigotry and hatred of this group and their opinions matters to me WHY

[The Count]

81. because they are well funded and will have access to the media - in other words

it'll be one of the lines of attack that will become an echo chamber.
As an atheist I feel insulted by the whole thing.

[Critters2]

78. I looked up Rob Schenck at Wikipedia.

He and his brother both seem to be RW crazies. But here's the thing that most caught my eye. At the end of a paragraph describing where both brothers are and what they're doing now, this sentence:

"Mr. Schenck was recently removed from the church after the parish found out he had a gay lover."

I think it's referring to Rob Schenck's brother, Paul, but it's not altogether clear.

Either way, Obama is of a faith tradition that's used to be told by fundies that it isn't Christian. It's even kind of a point of pride for the United Church. I wouldn't worry about Barack.

[elehhhhna]

79. ALL TIME TOPPER FOR IRONY:

"Jesus Christ said by what measure we judge others, we will be judged. By injecting his faith so directly into his campaign, Mr. Obama has invited an examination and debate focused on his faith. Sadly, we will find Mr. Obama's Christianity woefully deficient."

[SalmonChantedEvening]

82. Nothing like reaching a conclusion first.

This farcical 'examination' hasn't started yet and this Pharisee already has his mind made up.


"Sadly, we will find Mr. Obama's Christianity woefully deficient."

Meanwhile, W's given his usual free pass despite the coke, the DUI's, the exploding frogs, etc. etc. etc. etc.

[dogday]

85. Judge not lest ye be judged

These people don't have the right to judge any of us.

Let those among them without sin cast the first stone..

And I bet every single one of them have their own sins to deal with...

When will they ever learn what it is all about??? So sad

[niyad]

87. just spoke to rob, the clueless idiot, and informed him that he needs to read both his bible and the

constitution, and that I am calling the IRS to demand a revocation of his taxexempt status.

he is now tying up my phone trying to call me back.

[Critters2]

90. Individuals don't have tax exempt status

(which is why I can say grace at county Dem org annual dinners), but that church needs a visit from the IRS.

[niyad]

97. I was referring to his "national clergy council"--had already called the church and told them that I

was calling the IRS on monday about THEIR tax-exempt status.

[Pushed To The Left]

88. I wonder what this person thinks of the "Christianity" of politicians who send thousands off

American soldiers to their deaths unnecessarily? How about politicians who make fun of women who have converted to Christianity before they are executed? I have a funny feeling there could be a double standard.

[many a good man]

89. Barack needs to take Rev. Schenk with him every day on the campaign trail

Let's dissect the good reverend's notion of Christianity. It will help clarify what liberal Christianity is all about.

[Initech]

91. Obama wont appoint the next religiously insane justice they need

So that is why these freaks are pulling no punches.

[ComerPerro]

92. This is exactly why Dems everywhere should tell the religious to take a long walk

off a short pier.

The game is rigged.

If you are a Dem, and aren't talking about religion and God 24/7, then you have an anti-religion and anti-Christian bias. However, if you do mention you are Christian or are caught going to church, you will be attacked for posing and pandering, and for not being a "true Christian".

The only reason religion is so important in politics in the first place is because people want politicans who tell Americans the same kinds of lies that Americans tell themselves.

[spoony]

95. Sorry

We're here to stay. Don't like it? Go vote for Nader.

[ComerPerro]

96. so what's your plan to encourage the other Christians to vote for you?

ban abortion? Throw gays under a bus? Abstinence-only education? Creationism in schools?

How do you suggest you appease these freaks?

[spoony]

98. Lol, we did just fine in November.

Maybe these "freaks" you hate so much aren't all dangling off James Dobson's balls.

[ComerPerro]

100. Keep thinking that, you are gonna be in for a serious shock

[spoony]

102. :sigh:

Yeah, you're right, all Christians are right-wing nazi blah blah blah blah blah. Feel better now? Your biases happily undisturbed by reality?

[ComerPerro]

103. I could ask you the same thing. You didn't even address my point.

You just replied to tell me that you were religious and here to stay.

Well, you know what? I don't care. If it makes you feel important, or gives you some smug sense of self-satisfaction to think of yourself as "religious", then good for you. But if you're gonna talk yourself up for being religious and proud, maybe you can adress my point. I meantioned the very important reality of religion being used as political capital to promote Republicans and attack Democrats on all fronts. And all you can do is talk about how religious you are. Talk about being undisturbed by reality....

[spoony]

104. Lol, nothing I can say

is going to penetrate whatever you've built up around yourself. I've read many of your posts. I think I may have even replied to a few. If you want a reply to a point, you're going to have to make one. Religion isn't just a powerful political motivation in the Republican party, it's a very powerful force in the Democratic party as well. You don't want to see that, because you enjoy your prejudices. I'm certainly not going to waste my weekend pointing out to you all the fine, charitable, caring, peace-loving people and organisations that are at work on this side of the aisle.

So, again, you can sit there and convince yourself over and over that religion is bad and especially us terrible Christians, neither I nor the many faithful Dems, whose numbers are growing, can do anything for you.

[ComerPerro]

105. Before you condem me for not opening up to your fundie friends,

and before you lecture me about how great religion is, maybe you should clean house a little bit.

[spoony]

106. Precisely what I expected.

Though I did figure you'd use more lovely "freaks" slurs. Have a nice weekend.

[ComerPerro]

107. you still never addressed my point. But I wouldn't expect you too, I guess

[Critters2]

93. Just looked at the bulletin for last week's service at Obama's church

Looks mighty Christian to me.

Have a look-see: https://www.tucc.org/upload/tuccbulletin_feb4.pdf

There's a whole lot of Bible in there!

[leeroysphitz]

99. That's one of the BEST endorsements he's recieved so far.

At least to me.

[Nikki Stone1]

101. If Obama did meth and hired male hookers, maybe his "Christianity" would be less deficient

:evilgrin:

[DKRC]

108. He's come a long way

for someone who's:

- 1/2 white, but not white ENOUGH
- 1/2 black, but not black ENOUGH
- Christian, but not Christian ENOUGH
- Experienced, but not experienced ENOUGH

Next they'll want to run his DNA to be sure
he's got the right chromosomes, because he
might not be man ENOUGH!

:wtf:

All you have to do is listen to what they're not sayin. They're scared of him cause he could win, & won't step'n fetchit for the good ol'boys.

[Horse with no Name]

110. I just got home from work less than an hour ago

I haven't been on the computer all day.
One of my RW coworkers was asking me today about Obama's Christianity.
This must be how they are going to attack him.

[in_cog_ni_to]

111. Now CHRISTIANS aren't Christian ENOUGH??? Who the fuck are these people?

The G-D WARRIORS????!!!@#$%^ Unfreakinbelievable! First they say he's a Muslim he frighten the idiots in this country and shown they're LIARS. Then, he's half black and half white so he's NOT black enough. Next, he's not a decedent of slaves so he's not really black. Now he's not Christian ENOUGH? Pathetic. ABSOLUTELY PATHETIC...so-called Christians!:eyes: Fuck them.

Have a look at the asshole:

Reverend Rob Schenck, MA


President
National Clergy Council

Reverend Rob Schenck is the president of the National Clergy Council. He is an author, lecturer, and the founder of the Ten Commandments Project, an effort to reintroduce the American people to the great words of Sinai. Prior to his present position, Mr. Schenck served as minister of missions and evangelism for the New Covenant Tabernacle Church in Kenmore, NY, and as an itinerant evangelist.

Mr. Schenck directs Operation Save Our Nation, in Washington. Previous to this assignment he founded the National Community Church in Washington; Operation Serve, a Christian humanitarian relief organization; and co-founded Hearts for the Homeless, an advocacy organization for underprivileged men, women and children. Mr. Schenck is also the president of the National Pro-life Religious Council.

Mr. Schenck is the author of The Ten Words That Will Change a Nation--The Ten Commandments, published in 1999 by Albury Publishing. He also is the editor of the three-volume Constitutions of American Denominations, published by William S. Hein Lawbook Publishers. He is a member of the editorial board of Culture Wars magazine, and he is a member of the American Academy of Ministry. He appears regularly in the national secular and Christian media.

Mr. Schenck trained for the ministry at Elim Bible Institute and Berean College. He received his M.A. in Christian Ministry at Faith Evangelical Lutheran Seminary.

http://www.religionandpolicy.org/get_bio_image.php?id=32.1

http://www.religionandpolicy.org/show.php?p=3.1.32

[kestrel91316]

112. Insufficiently Christofascist, I guess................well, then, we'll just have to

burn him at the stake, right?

[blondeatlast]

113. The fundies have their own "special" bible--it eliminates 90% of the Book of Matthew.

Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

Doesn't really matter what THEY think, anyway, to a true Christian.

[pitohui]

114. what the hell is wrong w. these people?

who died and made mr. schenck jesus?

this church should be stripped of its tax exempt status as of this announcement, you want to play politics, fine, you pay taxes

jesus said render unto caesar, i'm finding mr. schenck's christianity highly suspect!

[Charlie Brown]

115. More Pharisees who put their own judgements on others

above the message of Jesus and the call to brotherhood of the Gospels.

Barack Obama probably knows better than any of them what it means to be a Christian.

[xchrom]

117. when i contrast this with obama's announcement in springfield, ill.

that he will run for prez --
i note that obame is right the -- the house is divided.

but i think obama should look closely at folk like the not so reverend schenk for the SOURCE of this country's state of division.

i have to wonder can we live together?

[FreeStateDemocrat]

118. Official, Obama is not the second coming contrary to claims elsewhere.

[Canuckistanian]

119. Well, if Shrub's "christianity" is a satisfactory model to his idiot

Then maybe we should try another kind.

[mmonk]

120. Is Mr. Schenck the god of Christianity?

[Bluebear]

123. Yes, yes he is. He is The Decider.

May he and Bush BOTH go to hell.

[Joe Chi Minh]

121. How does he know it was intended to be Christian, anyway?

He could have intended it to be Moslem or pantheist or simply an invocation of the God that many people sense and believe in, in a vague sort of way. God. He didn't differentiate, as if there were different Gods, or ascribe a particular religious affiliation to it. He just expressed honour and praise to God.

But as others point out, Christianity is nothing (but tinkling cymbals), without walking the walk.

[dysfunctional press]

122. mr. schenck- what do you think of george bush's brand of christianity...?

lying us into war and killing innocents and all...?

[thatsrightimirish]

124. Dear Mr. Schenck

Yawn

[Cass]

128. These psuedo-Christians need to get over themselves.

They are hypocrits and phonies who do more harm to Christianity than anything or anyone else. How dare he make pronouncements about anyone's faith? Who the f* is he to judge anyone?

If these people are so keen to insert themselves into politics they need to be stripped of their tax exempt status. Just a few months back a church was under investigation by the IRS because the preacher gave an anti-war sermon. Why is this loudmouth's sermon about Obama's and other candidacies permitted??

:grr:

[Norquist Nemesis]

130. The quote was mis-written. Should have been (D)eficient.

What it boils down to is that Obama is a member of the Democratic Party. An automatic mega deduction in points for Schenck and his flock.

[FlaGranny]

131. I must really be stupid or something

because I thought Christians believe that God/Christ are the one/ones that decide how good a person's christian faith is. When were preachers and religious "leaders" made the judges?

[ProfessorGAC]

132. "Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged"

Rev. Schenck must have missed that part.
The Professor

[truebrit71]

133. Sorry who's the "we" in this equation?..I thought it was Christ that said "judge not,

..lest ye be judged thyself"...

Sounds to me like someone did JUST that....

Let's see if I can play this game... "Sadly I find that group morally, religiously and intellectually deficient"....

Not bad eh?

I despise these holier-than-thou fuckers, and would dearly love to be around when they finally get judged themselves....

Boy are THEY in for a fucking surprise....