Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Boys Cast Out by Polygamists Find Help

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
Herman Munster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 07:45 PM
Original message
Boys Cast Out by Polygamists Find Help
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/09/us/09polygamy.html?hp

ST. GEORGE, Utah — Woodrow Johnson was 15, and by the rules of the polygamous sect in which his family lived, he had a vice that could condemn them to hell: He liked to watch movies.

When his parents discovered his secret stash of DVDs, including the “Die Hard” series and comedies, they burned them and gave him an ultimatum. Stop watching movies, they said, or leave the family and church for good.

With television and the Internet also banned as wicked, along with short-sleeve shirts — a sign of immodesty — and staring at girls, let alone dating them, Woodrow made the wrenching decision to go. And so 10 months ago, with only a seventh-grade education and a suitcase of clothes, he was thrown into an unfamiliar world he had been taught to fear.

Over the last six years, hundreds of teenage boys have been expelled or felt compelled to leave the polygamous settlement that straddles Colorado City, Ariz., and Hildale, Utah.

Disobedience is usually the reason given for expulsion, but former sect members and state legal officials say the exodus of males — the expulsion of girls is rarer — also remedies a huge imbalance in the marriage market. Members of the sect believe that to reach eternal salvation, men are supposed to have at least three wives.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
midlife_mo_Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 07:48 PM
Response to Original message
1. This is so sick
Edited on Sat Sep-08-07 07:50 PM by midlife_mo_Jo
So they believe that men are supposed to have three wives, and cast their sons out?

What a bunch of abusing hypocrites. It's more about raping and abusing women than religion. What about these boys' "salvation.":puke: :puke:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 07:54 PM
Response to Reply #1
4. what a great strategy -
they old farts get rid of their competition for the young girls so they can get young, fresh, unspoiled "wives".

:puke:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 07:49 PM
Response to Original message
2. What is this? Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 07:50 PM
Response to Original message
3. sons = a threat to the dominant male (father) - more women, less men = good nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 08:08 PM
Response to Original message
5. "a seventh-grade education"?? at 15 years old?
Gotta love them edukamashun-oriented folk. :puke:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 11:32 AM
Response to Reply #5
16. Education is evil, don't you know?
It makes you question your indoctrination and long for that "worldly" stuff. Better you remain ignorant and compliant.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 08:20 PM
Response to Original message
6. Is it wrong of me.......
.... to wish some people would be the living CRAP out of every adult male in the directing groups of these polygamous "societies?"
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 08:29 PM
Response to Reply #6
7. No I would do much worse to them. I wouldn't even write what I wish they would do to these
rotten bastards!These poor kids.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Bobbieo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 08:44 PM
Response to Reply #7
8. Think of the degree of incest that must occur
within these communities as they shun outsiders. They may not know it but they are condemning themselves to extinction. Some my think not fast enough!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 09:11 PM
Response to Original message
9. So they cannot look at girls but can boink seven simultaneously
as long as they are married to all of them? Must be republicans.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Bobbieo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 09:24 PM
Response to Reply #9
10. It is the amount of fraud that also occurs within the commuinity. Only
one wife is legal and rest declared single parent mothers
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Sen. Walter Sobchak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 12:06 AM
Response to Original message
11. I used to work with somebody who got kicked out of this group in the 80's
Edited on Sun Sep-09-07 12:09 AM by policypunk
They dumped him at truck stop in the middle of fucking nowhere with two other boys and gave them $20 between the three of them to get to town with.

He ended up in the child welfare system and was eventually adoped by one of his teachers.

Hatred does not begin to describe his feeling about mormons, when he tried to contact his three sisters he received death threats in his fathers handwriting.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
midlife_mo_Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 10:01 AM
Response to Reply #11
14. That's awful
Can you imagine living with the knowledge that his sisters are still there?

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 09:00 AM
Response to Original message
12. More victims of Black Collar Douchebaggery. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 09:36 AM
Response to Original message
13. On the HBO tv show, Big Love, that is what happened to the lead character. He was
expelled as a teen.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 10:25 AM
Response to Original message
15. and welfare pays them to do it
August 23, 1998
http://www.ishipress.com/utah-pol.htm
Utah Struggles With a Revival of Polygamy
By JAMES BROOKE

SALT LAKE CITY --

snip...

In this conservative state, "don't ask, don't tell" means that sheriffs and judges turn a blind eye to polygamy, a felony that has not been prosecuted here in almost half a century. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, whose founder sanctioned polygamy, has excommunicated polygamists for more than a century. But in the current laissez-faire legal climate, the number of Utahans living in polygamous families has increased tenfold in the last 50 years and is now at about 40,000 people, or 2 percent of the state's population, social scientists say.

snip...

What has fueled the issue of polygamy statewide as well as nationally is the case of a 16-year-old girl who stumbled into a remote gas station in northern Utah this summer. Covered with fresh bruises on her legs, arms and buttocks, authorities said the girl had run seven miles through the night, fleeing her father's belt and the future he had ordained for her: marriage to her uncle, and life as his 15th wife. The teen-ager's 911 call has resulted in a charge against her father, John Daniel Kingston, a leader of a wealthy but secretive polygamous clan based in a Salt Lake suburb. Rowenna Erickson, a Tapestry member who left the clan in 1991, said that incest, child marriage and birth defects were becoming more frequent in the clan, which numbers about 1,500 people. Although Ms. Erickson said the value of the clan's ranches and companies totaled more than $150 million, she asserted that women and children in the group often lived in poverty, earning minimum wages from business and receiving food stamps. Ms. Erickson said that John Daniel Kingston had fathered 10 children with a half-sister and that the 16-year-old girl who fled was his eldest child.

snip...

Until the early 1950s, men found to be living in polygamy were routinely jailed by the state. The last major raid on a polygamous colony, on the Utah-Arizona border in 1953, backfired in the face of negative public reaction to photographs of children being torn from their parents and taken to foster homes. Since then, Utah has largely taken an increasingly tolerant stance toward polygamy. In 1991, the Utah Supreme Court ruled that polygamous families were eligible to adopt. In July, Gov. Michael Leavitt, a Republican, speculated that polygamy might enjoy protection as a religious freedom.

snip...

Polygamy is difficult to prosecute because the men generally obtain marriage licenses for only their first wives. Subsequent marriages are performed secretly, and the additional wives often present themselves to society as single women with children.



snip...

Poverty is often a hallmark of polygamy in this country. The border towns of Hildale, Utah, and Colorado City, Ariz., targets of polygamy raids in the 1950s, are now heavily subsidized by federal and state aid, according to a study of welfare and tax records by The Salt Lake Tribune. The two towns, with a total population of about 6,000, rank in the top 10 in the states in the mountain time zone for receiving federal aid for poor women and children. With an average household of 8.5 people, Hildale has the lowest average federal tax return of any Utah town, $651 for each filer. With household incomes about half the state average, the Tribune study found, the two towns have received almost $5 million in recent years in federal and state aid to build better houses and sewers. Yet because of high birth rates and conversions to Mormonism, polygamy in Utah has rebounded from a low point involving a few thousand people in the 1950s, Altman said. Recalling that federal troops and judges tried to eradicate polygamy more than a century ago, he said of Utah's polygamists, "They are here to stay." Indeed, four years ago, Wilford Woodruff Steed died in Colorado City at age 94. He left six wives, 43 children and 235 grandchildren. Steed was born 10 years after his namesake, Wilford Woodruff, proclaimed the Manifesto -- the first church order to all Mormons to stop practicing polygamy.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu Apr 25th 2024, 03:20 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC