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Hawaii Hiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 08:37 AM
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Is it me or was Ronald Reagan most overrated politican in history
Edited on Fri Sep-07-07 08:38 AM by Hawaii Hiker
Please read the attached article it is fascinating...I read it twice, & I totally argee with the writer....

The writer didn't even mention why I always thought low of Reagan, he appointed Scalia, tried to appoint Bork, & wasted tremendous amount of money on the Meese Commission, which investiagted the porn industry....

To me, that airport in Washington DC will always be Washington National Airport, I refuse to call it by its other name...

http://g21.net/amdream79.html


:popcorn:
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King Coal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 08:39 AM
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1. Reagan was a manager. He couldn't find his own ass. Puppet City Bingo.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 08:39 AM
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2. Overrated?
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 08:41 AM
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3. Way overrated. Especially considering he suffered from dementia in office.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 10:30 AM
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38. which was an open secret in dc.
BIL knew a lot of dea people, who knew ss. everybody knew he was being propped up.
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Possumpoint Donating Member (937 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 08:42 AM
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4. I Agree
I have lived in the Washington DC area for 55 years. I still call that airport Washington National. I see no reason to change.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 08:43 AM
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5. Soon to be followed by an attempted repeat Fluffing of Fred.
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 08:45 AM
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6. YES!
He would have perhaps been great, if he would have been elected the nation's grandfather (good folksy stories, great communicator, somewhat funny and knew what to project for the situation). He was in my opinion the worst president we had ever had up until the Esteemed Mr. Bush.
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 08:45 AM
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7. Would you be happier if Reagan had been more like Napoleon?
A commander in chief who has the military talent and the motivation can impose his will on various countries and fight many opportunistic wars before he finally over-extends himself and forces his country to surrender to the coalition of enemies it has created for itself.

Which is safer for the world: a military career followed by a political career or an acting career followed by a political career?
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 08:52 AM
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13. I think General Clark is an exception to your hypothesis
Your generality has merit but not all military personnel are war mongering cretins stove piping data to fit their alleged pattern of world domination. bush is anything but a military man and he's created enemies in every corner of the universe.
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 08:57 AM
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18. General Clark is not like Napoleon in any sense that I can think
Edited on Fri Sep-07-07 08:59 AM by Boojatta
of except that both are/were generals. I did use the word "can", not the word "will" in this: "can impose his will on various countries and fight many opportunistic wars."

Someone with the talents of a Napoleon might have the power to do something like what Napoleon did. Not all powers are used.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 08:59 AM
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19. One General who comes to mind
is George Washington and if memory serves, he was quite the peace advocate after he was elected president.
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BrklynLib at work Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 12:13 PM
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56. and it was EISENHOWER who warned of the military/industrial complex.
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BrainGlutton Donating Member (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 10:27 AM
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36. I'd say a military career followed by a political career is better.
I mean, Eisenhower wasn't so bad as POTUS, was he? Or Washington? (But then there's Jackson and Grant . . .)
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JitterbugPerfume Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 08:46 AM
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8. Reagan was invented
Edited on Fri Sep-07-07 08:48 AM by JitterbugPerfume
by the republcan party , with the complicity of the media.


HE couldn't find his own ass with both hands.

Time and perspective will bring him down to size
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 09:27 AM
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25. On the button jitterbug. He was a wholly owned subsidiary
of the "new conservatives".
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 08:50 AM
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9. A lucky as hell puppet
Good looking older guy with a trusting voice. Came in and was part of an economic bounce to prosperity coupled with the fall of the Soviet Union.

Of course many historians would tell you that the Soviet union fell because of the Soviet Union and not because of Saint Ronnie the Senile...but that's not how the FReeps see it. Probably because they're idiots.
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FormerDittoHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 08:50 AM
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10. He was literally a legend in his own time. n/t
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 08:56 AM
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17. Don't you mean 'legend in his own mind'.....if he had one...
:evilgrin:
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 08:51 AM
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11. The deification ceremonies put it over the top for me.
That fucker set in motion many of our most serious problems today (deregulation, empowering Christian fundamentalists, neocons and corporations at the expense of the majority of us, horrific secret government ops - Iran/Contra, Abu Gharaib, Guantanamo, etc.), and his mind rotted away before he could be held accountable for his crimes. Instead, his death was treated as that of a Moonie Pope and conservative Messiah.
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Caria Donating Member (241 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 10:53 AM
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51. I saw VERY different coverage of the funeral
in Europe. The news show I was watching on the day of the funeral showed the the "throng" on CNN was really just a very small group of people on bleachers watching the motorcade with the hearse. And they actually commented on how the processionand funeral were being staged, how the event had been planned for years. Yes, years. The reporter said something about the Reagans being theatrical to the end.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 12:05 PM
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54. I'm glad the truth is on record somewhere.
It's like we're living in Evil Disneyworld here sometimes.
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BrklynLib at work Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 01:21 PM
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66. And what about his destruction of unions...e.g. The air traffic controllers...
:mad:
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 01:24 PM
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69. Oh yeah, my list wasn't conclusive.
It's just crazy how many people bought that many lies about such a horrible person (by association and accomplishment, if not personally).
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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 08:51 AM
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12. Not overrated if you like fascism.
Union busting. Iran/Contra. Deregulation that started the corporate mess we have now. The SDI waste-of -money-corporate-welfare program. And more, on and on.

I still call it National Airport too.

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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 08:53 AM
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14. dubya gives him a run for his money about being overrated
bush is pushing 30% approval rating which is about 30% way overrated.
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 08:54 AM
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15. Ronald Reagan was an actor. For him, the presidency was just another role to play.
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 08:54 AM
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16. Yes.
nt
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Pool Hall Ace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 09:00 AM
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20. I was first eligible to vote in 1980.
Reagan's appeal always baffled me. I remember around 1982 or '83, one of my co-workers saying (with a sigh in her voice) that she felt "so safe" with Reagan in office. Since she was above me in the chain of command, I chose not to respond.

And the airport? It's either DCA or National. The only person I know who calls is Reagan claims to be an independent, yet always votes Republican.

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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 09:04 AM
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21. Yes. Plus he was a war-mongering scumbag that fucked the poor over any chance he got...
I fucking hated him, and still do to this day...
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 09:08 AM
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22. Don't forget he shut down many of our nations
mental hospitals, throwing the mentally ill to live on the streets
fending for themselves.


What a hero!

;(
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Netbeavis Donating Member (291 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 09:24 AM
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23. The further we get from Reagan, the more the GOP builds him up.
of course, they really haven't had anything in the last 100 years to try and brag about either.
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MatrixEscape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 09:25 AM
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24. Overatted in regards to benefits ...
Edited on Fri Sep-07-07 09:27 AM by MatrixEscape
but very much ignored concerning the extremely negative impact he had on everyday people and the World. He smiled, and said stupid stuff in such a coy way that he could convince segment of the population that a bobble-headed clown has great Wisdom and unfailing common sense.

When you have a B-rated actor become the President of the United States, you know you have a big problem in more ways than one.

In fact, that sets the stage for some village idiot to come in and play the fool who makes fools feel good about their condition ... oh, wait, that's become a fact. Sorry.
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A Brand New World Donating Member (803 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 09:31 AM
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26. IMHO he was just an actor playing a role and poorly at that!
n/t
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 09:42 AM
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27. Over rated over rated over rated
He was the the worst president ever til we got stuck with bush. The whole financial mess in this country started under his economics. President Clinton pulled us out of it for a while til the stealer of the presidency, bush the coward stole two elections.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 09:44 AM
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28. reagan and company should have been jailed for Iran Contra
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 09:44 AM
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29. Except for one thing: He convinced republicans that Americans were stupid enough....
... to vote for literally ANYBODY.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 09:51 AM
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30. Social security paid for me and my sibs to go to college.

Survivor's social security, that is. My father died when we were little kids.

St. Ronnie's administration put a stop to that.


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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 09:55 AM
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31. Overrated doesn't cover it. Reimagined might be more accurate.
Edited on Fri Sep-07-07 09:58 AM by Marr
He was one of our worst presidents, but 20 years of non-stop propaganda by the right wing has convinced alot of people that he was one of our best. Reagan was quite unpopular when he left the White House. I remember laughing the first time I heard some right-wing stooge remark on the "greatness of Ronald Reagan". I didn't realize it was part of a larger marketing campaign.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 09:58 AM
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32. Of course he was...he was the Prototype of the Lying Bushler today
Reagan's "teflon", remember that.

Well, it wasn't teflon, after all, but the Dry Run Test of the Prototype Bushevik Sub-Media and Lie Laundry.

Remember how Ollie North had a "95% approval rating"? Knowing what we now know about the Bushie Infrastructure of Lies and it's wild successess over the same gullibility, apparently, that was present in 1930s Germany and exists today in Amerika 2007... Knowing what we know, do you STILL believe Ollie had a 95% approval rating?

:rofl:

I expect the same Orwellian Bushification of Bushler's legacy, only worse because whatever Reagan was, he sure as hell wasn't the worst pResident in American History, like Bushler is.

Yes the propaganda and PR lies used to sell Reagan to a gullbile populace ready to be (and now are) enslaved were the primitive prototypes of those which work swo well today.
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Missy M Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 10:12 AM
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33. Yes, he is definitely the most highly overrated President...
I never did get what all the adulation was about. I didn't think he was the "Great Communicator", just a corny man wishing he still lived in another era. I believe he was a puppet to G.H.W. Bush, James Baker and that whole crew. They are the ones who ran the country into ruination. They just propped him in front of a camera and let him ramble on and the press and people loved it. What a sham!!
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 10:29 AM
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37. his campaign manager was bill casey.
when the shit looked like it was gonna hit the fan, they cut his tongue out. not literally, but the "aneurysm" that he had was in the language center of his brain.
anything else we would need to know?
i'm beginning to think that the only hope for this country it to blow up all the teevees.
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coco77 Donating Member (966 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 12:51 PM
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60. That's the way I always have seen it...
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terip64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 10:22 AM
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34. I don't recall.
That is my favorite line when RWers tell me how great he was. Still crack myself up after all these years.. Thank God for the little things in life!
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 10:27 AM
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35. Thank you....that's a perfect comeback AND funny! nt
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 10:30 AM
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39. clinton by far the most over rated-nafta and what he left in his wake
big dog more like big fraud
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 10:34 AM
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40. I've wondered who is responsible for the Reagan myth?
As I recall, his approval ratings weren't that great while he was in office. What happened after he left office to transform him into a Republican god?
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BrklynLib at work Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 01:34 PM
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70. Michael Deaver was the mastermind behind the curtain.
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 10:35 AM
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41. He was great at creating a genial image and introducing people to jellybellys.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 10:37 AM
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42. No, it's not you
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 10:41 AM
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43. The republicans are desperate for their own JFK.
Reagan was nothing. An actor, and a bad one to boot.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 10:46 AM
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50. well, I think JFK is overrated, too
not nearly as bad as Reagan but his accomplishments were fairly meager.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 10:41 AM
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44. his bigotry and cruelty are UNDER rated.
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 10:42 AM
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45. He's alright...
Edited on Fri Sep-07-07 10:45 AM by ck4829
If you include him in the ranks of Pol Pot or Pinochet.
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ramapo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 10:43 AM
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46. He was an excellent politician...few were better
One of the best, as was Bill Clinton.

But Reagan was an awful president. Incredibly overrated. He is responsible for much of today's energy and environmental problems. He's given credit for ending the Cold War where much of the credit should go to Gorbachev. Reagan also started us on the credit binge that is finally coming home to roost. Trickle-down economics and all that.

The fact that he is so revered is an indication of his top-notch political (and acting) skills.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 10:44 AM
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47. Politician? No, President? Yes
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 10:44 AM
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48. Reagan paved the way for Bush Junior - a figurehead for a President - what a concept!
Edited on Fri Sep-07-07 10:44 AM by Major Hogwash
Remember when Reagan blamed the trees for producing too much oxygen, contributing to "air pollution"?

Man, when Bozo retired, I thought for sure Reagan would apply for his job.

Hey kids, want to see me blow up a balloon with my nose?
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 10:46 AM
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49. Second only to Dubya. And yes I know Dubya's approval rating is in the twenties.
But that's still 20% overrated.
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BrklynLib at work Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 10:57 AM
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52. He had the greatest PR man a prez ever had. Michael Deaver even produced RR's funeral before he
Edited on Fri Sep-07-07 11:01 AM by BrklynLib at work
himself died earlier this month.
Deaver made sure that the sun set in the distance as RR's funeral ended.

Reagan was far from a great president. Infact he was among the worst for what would have been the best interests of most of the citiznes of this country...he just had great publicity.

The Man Behind the Magic

By Lou Cannon
Monday, August 20, 2007; Page A15


Michael Deaver will be remembered as Ronald Reagan's magic man, the impresario who orchestrated presidential performances, ordered up the backdrops (usually blue) and carefully staged historical remembrances such as the splendid observance of the D-Day anniversary on the beaches of Normandy in 1984. All of that is well and good, but Deaver's importance transcended stagecraft.
<snip>


lots more interesting stuff at...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...
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Hawaii Hiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 12:48 PM
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59. Welcome to DU Brklyn Lib
Edited on Fri Sep-07-07 12:48 PM by Hawaii Hiker
:woohoo: glad you're here..

Yeah, Reagan was a damn good politican, but an awful person as well as an awful president....



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BrklynLib at work Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 01:22 PM
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68. Thanks Hawaii Hiker. Very glad to be here.
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spindoctor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 11:06 AM
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53. This video shows how Reagan was perceived in Europe
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 12:11 PM
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55. Totally overrated
That was ANOTHER eight years of my life I couldn't get through soon enough.
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 12:21 PM
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57. But, but, HE WON THE COLD WAR!!!111!1!!! n/t
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 12:36 PM
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58. As president blowhard, he was typecast. But the special effects crew
definitely deserve all the credit.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 12:52 PM
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61. I think it's about 25-30 years too early to tell
:shrug:
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 01:01 PM
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62. Don't tell the Repugs that...I'm convinced they're going to exhume him and prop him up onstage.....
at their convention next year, ala Weekend at Bernie's. .....

And I agree with you, it's NATIONAL airport. I make a point to emphasize that when someone says Reagan National, or Reagan Airport.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 01:01 PM
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63. Reagan learned how to play to an audience in acting school.
That's a GREAT tallent for any politician. BC was born with that ability, which is very rare. It's actually the acting training that scares me most about Freddie! That COULD be the only thing he needs!
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 01:10 PM
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64. National Airport--now and forever !!
I was born a few miles from that airport and have flown in and out
of it hundreds of times. It will never have another name for me, and
for those who are from the DC area, the same goes for most of them.

As for Reagan, I don't overrate him at all. I saw him as a big zero
before he took office, while he was in office, and after he was in
office. He was a figment of the imagination of a small group of very
clever evil people. Some saw what they were supposed to see. For the
rest of us, he was not a figment of our imagination, but instead, one
eight year long nightmare, much like the sequel in which we are all
now starring in supporting roles.
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Tommy_Carcetti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 01:21 PM
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65. Abso-friggen-lutely
The fact that man gets credit for "winning" the Cold War is an enormous insult to each and every Eastern European who put his or her life on the line to advocate for democratic change in the 1970s and 1980s.

And the fact that Americans voted in a B-movie actor over one of the most intelligent, ethical and compassionate men to ever hold the office of the presidency is embarassing.

Here's the thing about Reagan--Republicans and conservatives idolize him not for anything he actually did, but because they were so embarassed after Watergate they needed to create a new Republican "hero" to wipe the slate clean. Who better to do it than the biggest empty suit ever to hold the office?
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67. Raygun got people dead at home and abroad.
And if there is a hell, he's there.
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