Tough Questions for Nader

[Ryan_H]

Ralph Nader is now contemplating his fourth presidential race and the media seems content to continue not asking him tough questions. At this stage of the presidential cycle, Nader, who is outspoken in his criticisms of the Democratic Party, could just as easily run for the Democratic nomination. Why doesn't he? I mean, beyond the obvious that he wouldn't win, but I think that if he has so many strong opinions about the makeup and composition of the party, he should run and try to change things from the inside. Then, it might make more sense to me if he ran as an independent after losing.

He might say, "oh, well Kucinich is in the race and he represents my views closely." Well, Ralph, what does that tell you about the democratic process within the Democratic Party? It tells me that those views are not popular enough within the party to win a majority or even plurality of voters. Which furthermore tells me, Ralph, your independent movement has little legitimacy IF it is solely aimed at holding accountable the Democratic Party.

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[Ryan_H]

2. disagreement is not an excuse for you to be impolite

[trumad]

3. 7----6---5----4----

[charlie]

4. Gabba gabba hey

We accept you, we accept you, one of us! No impoliteness here. Nope, nope, nope.

[trumad]

7. Read this jokers other posts and you'll see his attempt to be stealth in the thread.

[charlie]

9. Already did

He's awfully concerned about etiquette. Such a well-mannered lad.

[salin]

13. 'cept when making glib

ridiculous statements to ... attempt to mock other DUers - then ettiquette doesn't seem to be too big of an issue.

[Kingshakabobo]

10. A busy little beaver this morning. nt

[Dracos]

21. How do I do that

please help.

[TheCowsCameHome]

5. Maybe he could start by running for Selectman in his home town.

and work his way up.

[PhilipShore]

6. Nader --- supports the Repukes

Nader --- is an arm chair liberal, in other words he never actually organized a demo, in the 60s or 70s. The Repukes made him into a liberal cult god, and with the help of Michael Moore (a communist), they could discredit the peace movement.

But there was one flaw in the Repukes thinking, the peace movement died in the late 60s.

To prove this --- if one would actually ask Nader or Moore their thought of liberals, they and their groupies answer that they hate jews (Anti-Zionism) and the of course liberals.

The perfect idea of of the liberal in the Repukes mind, pro Arab, and anti-liberal to disrupt any liberals that want to revive the peace movement.

[H2O Man]

8. Impeach Dick Cheney.

Do it. Do it now.

[PhilipShore]

11. Welcome to DU Ryan_H

Kick :kick:

[Ryan_H]

12. so as a Democrat, you LIKE Nader...!?

...the guy who brought us 8 years of Bush!?

[PhilipShore]

14. I was a Democrat --- but I recently left for personal reasons

No, I don't like Nader's current philosophies, I did years ago.

I now am registered with No Party Affiliation.

[charlie]

15. I like Nader

I also like cooking, painting, and being thrown to the ground by Uzbeks.

So, let's give a big hand to charlie, our newest contestant on SPOT THE FREEPAZOID!

:applause:

[salin]

16. I have this little link I enjoy

don't use it much - and one has to wait a minute for the effect - but here it goes: http://www.trollshop.net/trolls/trollcream.htm

[charlie]

18. Looks tasty

In a mulchy sort of way. I looked at the markup for the page and see that it's set to play a sound, but not in a way that my browser Firefox can do it. I can only hear it if you sing it for me :)

[salin]

19. in a small

'trollish' and gleeful voice it says.... "ahhh Troll Cream!"

[charlie]

20. Yeah! Troll Cream!

I downloaded and opened it from my drive. Haw! Thanks for the smile :hi:

[salin]

23. Anytime

:hi: Always great to give a friend a smile!

[Ryan_H]

26. Free to disagree, Please Apologize for being rude

Feel free to disagree, but on this thread you agree with me:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=post&forum=389&topic_id=174141&mesg_id=174155

without calling me names

and then you come to this thread, apparently you disagree, and then instead of saying so you start calling me names. What's up with that? I think you should apologize to me.

[salin]

29. Deal - if/when you appologize

for mocking other duers with outrageous statements that don' fit the sentiments expressed in threads. Lets see - the Putin thread had a lot of folks pointing out the irony of Putin being so well-accepted by bush - noted the kgb links or expressed the 'i agree' as in a yikes sorta tone yet your post was mocking as if all of the posts up thread were somehow putin adoring. Similar apporach per the spike in the number of recent troops fatalities. So when you appologize for the mocking (and stating things in terms that most other posters were not stating - and doing so to the entire thread and community (by linking to the OP rather than to a specific post if one was truley responding to the expressed sentiment you were suggesting was the norm) - then i will happily appologize for my indirect reference.

[LWolf]

24. I have no particular stance on nader;

I neither like him, nor dislike him. I do know that "nader brought us 8 years of bush" is propaganda, and an outright lie.

Election fraud brought us 8 years of bush. Even with what I considered to be a weak campaign, and a weak running mate, Gore got enough votes (one of them mine) to win. A better campaign could have made his victory more decisive, to be sure, but it wasn't nader that beat him.

disclaimer: please note that I did not step in to talk about whether or not anyone should "like" or "hate" nader. I'm not going to do either. I'm simply pointing out that your talking point is false propaganda.

It also absolves the party from accountability for fielding poor candidates, running bad campaigns, and not directly, aggressively addressing election fraud in congress. It's convenient to have a scapegoat outside the party. Scapegoating 3rd party candidates infers: "It's all those 3rd party candidates and voters that STOLE what is rightfully ours; they OWE us their votes" rather than "It's our job to earn the votes, including those outside our own party."

This sort of absolution pretty much guarantees future losses, since it doesn't address the reasons why the party isn't winning those votes. It's not only false propaganda, it's FOOLISH propaganda, if the goal is to earn the votes.

[Toots]

27. Sanity at DU, who would have thunk it?

:thumbsup:

[Beelzebud]

28. I agree with you 100%.

Spot-on assessment of the Nader "situation".

[trumad]

25. ...the guy who brought us 8 years of Bush!?

added 14 minutes later....

[PhilipShore]

17. The Freepers like Nader

They supported him with campaign funds in the 2000 election --- unlike any other liberal, in the history of liberalism.

[Dracos]

22. tell us

do you support Ralph Nader or someone else