Would Democrats feel Differently if Larry Craig was Harry Reid? Caught Up in This?

[KoKo]

Here's the Scenario:

Harry Reid is caught in LAX in Mens Room where Vice Cop is stationed because of Complaints and relates that he found Harry in the Men's Room...

Vice Cop Relates this story:

Vice Cop sits in the stall....and waits (wondering if all these complaints his Police Dept. are getting warrent him sitting on a toilet...and he's wanting to get home}.....until he sees "EYEBALLS" peering through the door crack..and the eyes stay there for longer than the "Vice Cop's Manual" says are acceptable for a "passer by."

THEN....in the stall next to him...Harry signals with "foot tapping" where his shoe strays past the stall line to touch his own shoe which "Vice Cop's Manual describes as "touching behavior..signalling something of a quid pro quo, sexual nature," and then a HAND reaches "under the stall divider" and is "wiggling fingers" looking for lost piece of toilet paper (reportedly by Harry to be lying on the floor) and Harry needed to wipe himself.

Vice Squad Cop thinks ....OMG! "this is 'gesturing' and his "Cop Manual" and "experience" says...this is someone inviting something so he shows his BADGE under the stall....and the "GAME" begins.

How would we Dems FEEL if this was a Sting on one of our OWN? :shrug: WHAT WOULD WE DO?

Edited for Clarity and spelling.......

[valerief]

1. I would look into my hat for the right answer. nt

[JuniperLea]

3. I'm only finding bunnies in mine n/t

[valerief]

8. You're not Mormon then! nt

[JuniperLea]

9. LOL!!!

Doh! Good one!

[Major Hogwash]

41. Craig is a Methodist.

Romney is a Mormon, but not Craig.

[valerief]

72. Reid is Mormon. See OP. nt

[JuniperLea]

2. It WASN'T a STING!

And Harry hasn't vehemently denied his sexuality for 25 years... and Harry hasn't (to my knowledge) voted against gay rights measures.

[uppityperson]

4. yup.

[TwilightGardener]

5. I don't the "the gay" would bother us, at least MOST of us. I think

we'd leave the rest up to the Senate Ethics committee--I don't think we'd be as quick to lop him off like a tumor, as th GOPers have tried to do with Craig, although his leader position would be endangered.

[L. Coyote]

6. Of course they would. But hey, a crime is a crime. If you stick your hand across,

at least ask for some paper :rofl:

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

7. If Reid made himself look so ridiculous and erased his credibility so badly, then yes he should go.

[cali]

10. oh for pete's sake.

The rumors about Craig are decades old. This wasn't a sting. They weren't vague gestures, Craig was making- they were (ahem) activity specific.

[kestrel91316]

16. This WAS a sting. It WASN'T entrapment as many have claimed.

And Harry Reid wouldn't do this. He's not a raging anti-gay hypocrite.

I may dislike Reid, but it's over his water-stealing Vegas scam, not this sort of thing.

[AlinPA]

11. and he does not have a history of certain behavior as far back as 1982, and

did not have the newspaper in his state learning about another incident in a train station...........

[LittleClarkie]

12. Did Harry ever vote for DOMA or call Clinton a naughty boy?

Or come out against gays in any way?

Wouldn't be the same.

Besides, the Dems don't bill themselves as the party of family values and defenders of marriage and such.

We're the big tent, doncha know

[Kelly Rupert]

66. Actually, he did vote for DOMA. n/t

[AlCzervik]

13. He'd be gone in a heartbeat--"What do you think about that?"

:evilgrin:

[lumberjack_jeff]

14. Yes. I'm a partisan.

I'm all for ass-kickin the bad guys.

I defend the good guys.

Too black-and-white for you?

[rucky]

15. Democrats don't need to feel anything.

It's up to the Senator to decide...then the cops...then the voters in his state.

[skiddlybop]

17. Stupidest. Post. Ever.

Democrats need to be ending the occupation of civil-war Iraq.

That's why no Democratic Congressperson has called for the resignation of Craig. Indeed, every single Democrat agrees that this Craig issue should simply run its course, over a period of years, if need be.

No need for any Democrat to judge or kibbitz...and no Democrat has. Only the Republicans have been elbowing each other to prove how much he hates Craig and ALL THE OTHER GAY PEOPLE in this country.

Satisfied?

[KoKo]

25. Exactly...let the Repugs Feed on their OWN...but how would WE Feel if it was Reid?

Would we Defend him like the Split Repugs are doing...with DLC on one side and Lefty Progressives on the other? :shrug:

That's what I'm saying here....

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

18. What if Harry Reid was a scary racist cartoon penguin?

What would Dems do then, eh?

[WinkyDink]

35. What if Harry Reid was a steroid-abusing, cross-dressing, three-toed SLOTH?!

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

37. What if Harry Reid was, literally, a douchebag?

[Forkboy]

19. The friggin' contortions are unreal on this one.

Forget editing for clarity and spelling,you should just edit the whole thing down to a blank page.THAT I'd recommend. :P

Don't make me sic little Godzie on you....

[KoKo]

23. Delete My Post...is that what you say........

I'll do it...to please YOU..if you tell me why... Your little Godzilla...will "make me do it." :D

[Forkboy]

27. Yessss....look into his eyes...feel his power......

"Must.....delete.....post....in it's....entirety."

:D

Ahhh...if only I had that kind of power.I'd make Bush look like cherub. :evilgrin:

[KoKo]

29. I looked into the eyes...and it said...."noooooo to late...too many people seeking"

and (((((((noooo))))))) we must wait...we must wait...too soon ...too soon ((((())))).

[Forkboy]

32. That little bastard!

Scuse me while I give him a talking to. :)

[KoKo]

33. He has betrayed you.... How will you deal with this?

:shrug: Don't think "a talking to" is stern enough. He needs to be put in the barn...taught how it is to fend on his own and not disrupt threads...

[Forkboy]

38. He can be replaced easy enough.

I sent him to his room,but now his Dad would like a word with you.

[KoKo]

43. well....this is a disruptor on a serious post....

and he's a mean looking dude...but I won't delete my post if it's offensive...because I don't want to leave folks hanging...and besides...I was trying to get a discussion about what we would do if this was Harry Reid.

The post will go to archives soon enough without Godzilla's Dad breathing fire on it or causing a disturbance for locking... :shrug:

[Forkboy]

45. Jeez....it's a joke.

I'm not trying to get it locked.

Damn. :eyes:

Have a nice night.

[KoKo]

50. I was trying to be funny...

and it didn't come out that way...:-( it was gorped...the way it came out....

I used the wrong emoticom......should have used :evilgrin: instead of :shrug:

Didn't mean to sound like a jerk.

:hi:

[Forkboy]

52. Well then...my apologies back to you.

I was stunned that you didn't know I was joking with you.Glad I was wrong.

No worries. :hi:

[KoKo]

60. Thanks for understanding....

:hug:

[Sarah Ibarruri]

20. YES! COMPLETELY DIFFERENT! LET ME TELL YOU WHY....

Larry Craig built up his very successful career on "Republican family values", first and foremost of which was being anti-gay. It turned out he was living a life diametrically opposed to these Republican family values that brought him to the pinnacle of popularity, money and success. Now he's going to have to EAT those Republican family values. All caught in the predicament should be charged, but would I feel different? You BET! Repukes are the kings of hypocrisy.

[Spazito]

21. Geez, the guy pled guilty to breaking the law, what's so difficult

to understand about that?

If you really want to rail about injustice, you might want to read this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1740981

That article is worthy of discusssion, imo, Craig.....not so much anymore.

[in_cog_ni_to]

22. Is Harry Reid Anti-Gay? THAT is the issue here...THE HYPOCRISY.

I honestly don't know Reid's stance on Gay issues, but if he is anti-gay rights, then he would be just as guilty of hypocrisy as Craig is.

This wasn't Craig's first episode with a man in a bathroom. He's a hypocrite.

From ontheissues.org: Sen. Larry Craig

* Rated 100% by the Christian Coalition: a pro-family voting record. (Dec 2003)
* Voted NO on implementing the 9/11 Commission report. (Mar 2007)
* Voted NO on preserving habeus corpus for Guantanamo detainees. (Sep 2006)
* Voted NO on requiring CIA reports on detainees & interrogation methods. (Sep 2006)
* Voted YES on reauthorizing the PATRIOT Act. (Mar 2006)
* Voted YES on prohibiting same-sex basic training. (Jun 1998)
* Voted YES on confirming Samuel Alito as Supreme Court Justice. (Jan 2006)
* Voted YES on confirming John Roberts for Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. (Sep 2005)
* Voted NO on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Apr 2007)
* Voted YES on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006)
* Voted NO on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)
* Voted YES on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime. (Mar 2004)
* Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life. (Mar 2003)
* Voted YES on maintaining ban on Military Base Abortions. (Jun 2000)
* Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions. (Oct 1999)
* Voted YES on banning human cloning. (Feb 1998)
* Rated 0% by NARAL, indicating a pro-life voting record. (Dec 2003)
* Voted YES on recommending Constitutional ban on flag desecration. (Jun 2006)
* Voted YES on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage. (Jun 2006)
* Voted NO on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes. (Jun 2002)
* Voted YES on loosening restrictions on cell phone wiretapping. (Oct 2001)
* Voted NO on expanding hate crimes to include sexual orientation. (Jun 2000)
* Voted NO on setting aside 10% of highway funds for minorities & women. (Mar 1998)
* Voted YES on ending special funding for minority & women-owned business. (Oct 1997)
* Voted YES on prohibiting same-sex marriage. (Sep 1996)
* Voted NO on prohibiting job discrimination by sexual orientation. (Sep 1996)
* Voted YES on Amendment to prohibit flag burning. (Dec 1995)
* Voted YES on banning affirmative action hiring with federal funds. (Jul 1995)
* Supports anti-flag desecration amendment. (Mar 2001)
* Rated 25% by the ACLU, indicating an anti-civil rights voting record. (Dec 2002)
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[mondo joe]

24. Please, stop apologizing for Craig, who is guilty of some very creepy - and illegal -

behavior.

If he was charged and admitted guilt, he should resign.

[KoKo]

26. Not apologizing for Craig...but saying would Dems Defend their Own in this Sting..that "Repugs" are

calling it?

Sort of like they "peeled us off" on Clinton/Monica thing? It seems an ethics problem that get's both the Left and Right into contortions over itself to try to "seek that middle." :shrug:

The M$M LOVES IT! It allows them to pit Repug Fundies against Conservatives and Dem Liberals against those who are looking to pick up the Fundie Vote.

It's a Media Scam...yet many Dems have opinions that can't be heard because to discuss it all is TABOO.

[mondo joe]

28. It's a clear issue. Craig broke the law, admitted guilt and hid it. I wouldn't defend

him if he were a dem.

[The Vinyl Ripper]

30. If Reid had been fulminating about the evils of homosexuality

Then he would be every bit as big a hypocrite as Craig.

And I wouldn't mind calling a spade a spade.

Any Dem trying to pick up the fundie vote is an idiot and a traitor to Democratic ideals, which include separation of church and state.

[KoKo]

31. I'd have to agree with you and the poster above you....but it's not what's going on....unfortunately

What we say and think isn't what's going on....:-(

[The Vinyl Ripper]

42. Could you elaborate?

What do you think is happening?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

34. I'd Feel The Same As Now: That The Perp Was A Pervert Who Deserved The Arrest 100%.

[Major Hogwash]

40. I wouldn't - Craig is my Senator. I want that stupid asshat out of office.

25 days and counting.

[WinkyDink]

36. Let's wait and see, shall we? In the meantime, let's just continue to read about REPUBLICANS.

[MasonJar]

39. What I find hard to accept is that this month old story just somehow

accidentally got coverage the same day as Gonzales resigned. The Bushistas must have been saving and savoring this expose for just the right moment in time. I do NOT trust the GOPers and I do NOT trust the press.

[KoKo]

44. It happened in June and was covered up...that's why it broke so late.

I wonder if Gonzales resignation wouldn't have been a one day wonder whether or not the Craig incident had surfaced. If you are wondering about the timing of Craig's June arrest and pleading...then who knows. :shrug: We know sex sells with the media more than the Bush Crimes against humanity.

[MisterHowdy]

46. I would feel better if we stopped talking about Larry Craig.

cheers

[KoKo]

55. I would too...but Craig himself won't let it die...and the Media is all over it..

and the hypocracy of the Repugs on this makes us all want to wonder if this isn't the problem these days. Seeing hypocracy for what it is. It might be a chance for us to work our way out of the "lock step" situation our country is in because of the far right who can't see their own hypocritical ways coming back to bite them.

[Bluebear]

47. As YOU told us, many businessmen you know won't go #2 anymore in public.

because they are afraid of the gay in the airport bathrooms.

So, what do you mean by this little 'Harry Reid' scenario?

[Forkboy]

49. deleted due to clarification.

[Bluebear]

51. How can you be taken seriously when you can't reply in a serious fashion to a serious question?

Done with it...on this end.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1713051

[Forkboy]

56. I wish I knew what the hell was going on here.

:shrug:

Is there something I'm missing? Were you replying to me? And if so, can you tell me what your point is so I can respond seriously?

I swear, DU is bizarro world tonight.

[Bluebear]

63. Sorry...

the link doesn't take you to the correct point in that thread where we were told what I just told you. Never mind :)

[Forkboy]

Man, this has been one confusing thread for me.

Though that's not really anything new. :)

Thanks for clearing that up. :hi:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

48. Here's Your Answer

[KoKo]

54. Balance.... wouldn't it be great if we could have that these days...

Understand what you are getting at. But the tilt is so out of whack.....it's hard to get to anything approaching that these days..trying to discuss. :-(

[MODemocrat]

53. Why did you single out Harry Reid for this hypthetical

Couldn't it just have been any Democratic Senator? The answer is, we would probably spend $92 million dollars investigating him, and help the republicans stab him in the back like we do so many of our party.
:crazy:

[KoKo]

59. I guess I could have picked any prominent Democrat...but

I figured he was so moderate...he would make a good choice because everyone knows him. I was just trying to make a point about how would Dems react if it was one of their own who was a long serving Senator with much power. Craig is long serving and has many ties to the Repug leadership.

[MODemocrat]

79. Thanks for your reasonable reply, and now I do understand

If it were his counterpart, it would greatly disappoint me; but not to the point of forcing him to
resign. Apparently Craig was a loyal republican; and possibly, to quote "James Carville" with his
reference to Bill Clinton's personal problem: He's a good man, he did a bad thing-to his family."
For sure, it wouldn't be because he has gay tendencies; it's just degrading for him to try to make a contact in a men's restroom. He's a married man for heaven's sake; he should have thought of that. :spank:

[FredScuttle]

57. Would I feel differently if my hat was my shoe?

What the fuck is the point of this post, exactly?

[KoKo]

61. Would we defend a Prominent Democrat no matter what like the Repugs

are now defending Craig? Craig's lawyer was all over the media saying how he hadn't committed treason so the Ethics Commmittee should drop the investigation and Craig has another lawyer trying to get him to drop the case in Minnesota.

If this was a Democratic Senator would we expect the same behavior? Aren't the Repugs seeming like hypocrits sending out Family Values Tony Perkins and others to say that Craig got a raw deal and he shouldn't have plead guilty? So...it's all the cop's fault and Craig's fellow Repugs let him down by asking the ethics committee of the Senate to investigate?

Maybe William Jefferson (the House Member with Freezer full of cash) should have resigned...but he still hasn't been charged with anything. Craig was..and he plead guilty. Repugs seem to feel they are above the law or if they are found guilty they can get off....(think Scooter Libby) and how long it took Gonzo to resign.

Is there a double standard? one for Dems and one for Repugs?

[FredScuttle]

68. How long has this board defended prominent Democrats against baseless smears?

Murtha, Pelosi, Reid, Durbin, Cynthia McKinney and all of the leading Presidential candidates (Edwards, Clinton, Obama).

We defend our own when their unfairly attacked. Which is all the frigging time.

[mod mom]

58. It's about hypocrisy-period.

[Major Hogwash]

62. If the roles were reversed, Larry would be the first one to call for Harry to resign as Majority

Leader of the Senate.

Whereas, Harry hasn't said 2 words about Larry.

Oh, ho, ho it's magic, you know
Never believe it's not so
It's magic, you know
Never believe it's not so.

[Major Hogwash]

64. If Larry decides to run again, this is the bumper sticker we are putting on our cars in Idaho.

I use the public restrooms at airports, and I vote.

[Kelly Rupert]

65. I'd be embarrassed for him, esp. since he voted for DOMA.

and would think that resigning his leadership position would be best for the party. I'd also find his hypocrisy deeply troubling. However, this is a totally worthless question.

[napi21]

67. The BIG diference is that reid hasn't & doesn't spend hours on the Senate floor raging against gay

rights! I STILL say, hatever any of these people do on their own time is none of my business, but when you have someone railing against an issue, and then is found to be participating in that very thing, they should be OUT OF OFFICE!!!

[KoKo]

69. And...i can't think of ANY DEM who would rail against Repugs the way they

carry on against Democrats, Womens, Gays and everyone who isn't lock step with them day after day on the floor of the House and Senate.

[sniffa]

70. this is an outrage to constipated business cLass traveLers everywhere

[renie408]

71. I would be mad as hell that Reid had done something that stupid. But

I would still think he was creepy and I don't think I would defend him. Do you realize that you would have to easily move your foot two feet to tap the foot of someone in the stall next to you?

[LeftishBrit]

73. The difference would be...

that Harry Reid doesn't belong to a political party that is obsessed with regulating people's private lives and demonizing gays.

[goodhue]

74. When Reid is peeping in stall is he playing with his fingers a la Craig?

Has Reid visited this particular restroom everyweek for many weeks?
Is this restroom well known as the cruisiest restroom in California?
Is Reid's hand palm up when he repeatedly puts it under stall as if he wants to grab something?
Does Reid keep a 25 year old FBI report that he is not gay ready at hand?
If yes to these questions, then by all means he is well deserved toast.

[mdmc]

75. We would fight like hell to protect him

well, maybe not him, but if it were Kucinich.

We would fight to protect him

[WinkyDink]

76. That would be Dennis "Straw Man" Kucinich, correct?

[mdmc]

77. Bernie Sanders

If it was Bernie or DK, I think we would fight our asses off.

Of course, getting busted in the bathroom wouldn't be too bad for the left.

If he got busted at a Klan rally it would be different.

I know what a straw man is, but don't know what you mean by Dennis strawman Kucinich :shrug:

[Tiggeroshii]

78. Well... it would be much bigger fish than Craig, that's for sure

...and thus probably much bigger news. Considering of course, he is the majority leader in the Senate.