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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 06:10 AM
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Mearsheimer/Walt - Israel supported necons in selling Iraq war after promise war on Iran
would be next on the agenda once Saddam had been taken care of.


Iraq, Israel, Iran
by David Bromwich

SNIP

The truth is that many new facts are in this book, and many surprising facts. By reconstructing a trail of meetings and public statements in 2001-2002, for example, the authors show that much of the leadership of Israel was puzzled at first by the boyish enthusiasm for a war on Iraq among their neoconservative allies. Why Iraq? they asked. Why now? They would appear to have obtained assurances, however, that once the "regime change" in Iraq was accomplished, the next war would be against Iran.

A notable pilgrimage followed. One by one they lined up, Netanyahu, Sharon, Peres, and Barak, writing op-eds and issuing flaming warnings to convince Americans that Saddam Hussein was a menace of world-historical magnitude. Suddenly the message was that any delay of the president's plan to bomb, invade, and occupy Iraq would be seized on by "the terrorists" as a sign of weakness. Regarding the correct treatment of terrorists, as also regarding the avoidance of weakness, Americans look to Israelis as mentors in a class by themselves.

So a war projected years before by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz--a war secured at last by the fixing of the facts around the policy at the Office of the Vice President--was allowed to borrow some prestige at an intermediate stage by the consent of a few well-regarded Israeli politicians. Yet their target of choice had been Iran. They accepted the change of sequence without outward signs of doubt, possibly owing to their acquaintance with the Middle East doctrine espoused by the Weekly Standard and the American Enterprise Institute--a doctrine which held that to create a viable order after the fall of Iraq, regime change in Iran and Syria would have to follow expeditiously.

To sum up this part: the evidence of Mearsheimer and Walt suggests that Israel was never the prime mover of the Iraq war. Rather, once the Cheney-Wolfowitz design was in place, the Israeli ministers who trooped through American opinion pages and news-talk shows did what they could to heat up the war fever. This war was on the cards before they threw in their lot with Cheney and Bush; by their efforts they merely helped to confer on the plan an aura of legitimacy and worldly wisdom.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-bromwich/iraq-israel-iran_b_62995.html
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 07:34 AM
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1. wow! That is a great piece...
it sews together the capitulation of our "leaders" and the continued influence of the neocons. Who said the neocons were done?

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That unanimous vote was the latest in a series of capitulations that has included the apparent end of resistance by Nancy Pelosi to the next war. After the election of 2006, the speaker of the house declared her intention to enact into law a requirement that this president seek separate authorization for a war against Iran. On the point of doing so, she addressed the AIPAC convention, and was booed for criticizing the escalation of the Iraq war. Pelosi took the hint, shelved her authorization plan, and went with AIPAC against the anti-war base of the Democratic party.

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Yet the chief orchestrater of the second neoconservative war of aggression is Elliott Abrams. Convicted for deceptions around Iran-Contra, as Lewis Libby was convicted for deceptions stemming from Iraq--and pardoned by the elder Bush just as Libby had his sentence commuted by the younger--Abrams now presides over the Middle East desk at the National Security Council. All of the wildness of this astonishing functionary and all his reckless love of subversion will be required to pump up the "imminent danger" of Iran. For here, as with Iraq, the danger can only be made to look imminent by manipulation and forgery. On all sober estimates, Iran is several months from mastering the nuclear cycle, and several years from producing a weapon. Whereas Israel for decades has been in possession of a substantial nuclear arsenal.

How mad is Elliott Abrams? If one passage cited by Mearsheimer-Walt is quoted accurately, it would seem to be the duty of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee to subject Abrams to as exacting a challenge as the Senate Judiciary Committee brought to Alberto Gonzales. The man at the Middle East desk of the National Security Council wrote in 1997 in his book Faith or Fear: "there can be no doubt that Jews, faithful to the covenant between God and Abraham, are to stand apart from the nation in which they live. It is the very nature of being Jewish to be apart--except in Israel--from the rest of the population." When he wrote those words, Abrams probably did not expect to serve in another American administration. He certainly did not expect to occupy a position that would require him to weigh the national interest of Israel, the country with which he confessed himself uniquely at one, alongside the national interest of a country in which he felt himself to stand "apart...from the rest of the population." Now that he is calling the shots against Hamas and Hezbollah, Damascus and Tehran, his words of 1997 ought to alarm us into reflection.

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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 05:33 PM
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2. Yes, I thought so too. n/t
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 02:37 AM
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3. And it makes it seem that an attack on Iran
is more likely than not.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 02:45 AM
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4. Oh, for fook's sake
not the simplistic old Israel made us do it. Just this week came the news that Wilkerson said that Israeli diplomas and others lobbied the state dept not to attack Iraq.


Israel Warned US Not to Invade Iraq after 9/11
by Gareth Porter
WASHINGTON - Israeli officials warned the George W. Bush administration that an invasion of Iraq would be destabilising to the region and urged the United States to instead target Iran as the primary enemy, according to former administration official Lawrence Wilkerson.

Wilkerson, then a member of the State Department’s Policy Planning Staff and later chief of staff for Secretary of State Colin Powell, recalled in an interview with IPS that the Israelis reacted immediately to indications that the Bush administration was thinking of war against Iraq. After the Israeli government picked up the first signs of that intention, Wilkerson says, “The Israelis were telling us Iraq is not the enemy — Iran is the enemy.”Wilkerson describes the Israeli message to the Bush administration in early 2002 as being, “If you are going to destabilise the balance of power, do it against the main enemy
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/08/29/3488/
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 07:19 AM
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5. Yes, but notice I said it made an attack on Iran more likely.
According to the Davide Bromwich article in the OP, Mearsheimer and Walt are saying their research indicated the Israelis were not initially in favor of a US attack on Iraq but were brought on board to lend much needed propaganda support to the Neocons. This was based on a mutual understanding that Iran was going to be taken care of once Saddam was out of the way. And Iran, not Iraq, was the country that the Israelis really wanted the US attack.

Now, presumably, the Isralis and their AIPAC supporters will be calling in their IOU's.


A notable pilgrimage followed. One by one they lined up, Netanyahu, Sharon, Peres, and Barak, writing op-eds and issuing flaming warnings to convince Americans that Saddam Hussein was a menace of world-historical magnitude. Suddenly the message was that any delay of the president's plan to bomb, invade, and occupy Iraq would be seized on by "the terrorists" as a sign of weakness. Regarding the correct treatment of terrorists, as also regarding the avoidance of weakness, Americans look to Israelis as mentors in a class by themselves.

So a war projected years before by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz--a war secured at last by the fixing of the facts around the policy at the Office of the Vice President--was allowed to borrow some prestige at an intermediate stage by the consent of a few well-regarded Israeli politicians. Yet their target of choice had been Iran. They accepted the change of sequence without outward signs of doubt, possibly owing to their acquaintance with the Middle East doctrine espoused by the Weekly Standard and the American Enterprise Institute--a doctrine which held that to create a viable order after the fall of Iraq, regime change in Iran and Syria would have to follow expeditiously.


I didn't have access to US TV at the time, so I can't say to what extent the above is true on a first hand basis, but according to David Bromwich, the neocons got much needed support for attacking Iraq when various influential Isreali politicians emphasized in interviews and op-eds in the US media that Saddam was a legitimiate threat (regardless of what they were telling Numbnuts in private).

Now are Israeli and pro-Zionist forces in the US exercising any influence to set up the strike on Iran that was their original goal?


Admittedly, it was a showdown speech, reckless and belligerent, to a soldier audience; but then, this has been just the sort of crowd and message that Cheney and Bush favor when they are about to open a new round of killings. And in a sense, the Senate had given the president his cue when it approved, by a vote of 97-0, the July 11 Lieberman Amendment to Confront Iran. It is hardly an accident that the president and his favorite tame senator concurred in their choice of the word "confront." The pretext for the Lieberman amendment, as for the president's order, was the discovery of caches of weapons alleged to belong to Iran, the capture of Iranian advisers said to be operating against American troops, and the assertion that the most deadly IEDs used against Americans are often traceable to Iranian sources--claims that have been widely treated in the press as possible, but suspect and unverified. Still, the vote was 97-0. If few Americans took notice, the government of Iran surely did.

That unanimous vote was the latest in a series of capitulations that has included the apparent end of resistance by Nancy Pelosi to the next war. After the election of 2006, the speaker of the house declared her intention to enact into law a requirement that this president seek separate authorization for a war against Iran. On the point of doing so, she addressed the AIPAC convention, and was booed for criticizing the escalation of the Iraq war. Pelosi took the hint, shelved her authorization plan, and went with AIPAC against the anti-war base of the Democratic party.

SNIP

From Zelikow to Cohen was only a step on the long path of humiliation that now stretched before Condoleeza Rice. When, in March 2007, amid suggestions of a renewal of diplomacy, she intimated that talks might be helpful in dealing with the Hamas-Fatah unity government (whose formation the Arab world had greeted as offering a promise of peace), she was demolished by an AIPAC-backed advisory letter bearing the signatures of 79 senators, which directed her not to speak with a government that had not yet recognized Israel. From that moment Rice was effectively neutralized.

The hottest cries for another war have been coming this summer from Joe Lieberman. He has called for attacks on Iran, and for attacks on Syria. It is as if Lieberman, with his appetite for multiple theaters of conflict, spoke from the congealed memory of all the wars he never fought. But Joe Lieberman is a stalking-horse. He would not say these things without getting permission from Vice President Cheney, a close and admired friend. Nor would Cheney permit a high-profile lawmaker whom he partly controls to set the United States and Israel on so perilous a course unless he had ascertained its acceptability to Ehud Olmert.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-bromwich/iraq-israel-iran_b_62995.html
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 07:33 AM
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6. So it was another backroom deal?
If you allow us to attack Iraq for the oil, we'll attack Iran for your security and more oil?
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 09:49 AM
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9. Not that it matters, but Bromwich appears to say the same thing you are saying.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 07:37 AM
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7. yes, all of the pieces are falling into place
including the capitulation/complicity of congress. Have you seen this?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1737046
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 09:32 AM
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8. Thanks and a Kick...to find later n/t
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