Leaked report sets up Bush team for international WAR-CRIMES trial

[tekisui]

from: http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0735,hentoff,77643,6.html


The Red Cross has the goods that will lock away all the war criminals. We may have to wait, but they will be held accountable for their illegal WAR CRIMES.

"If and when there's the equivalent of an international Nuremberg trial for the American perpetrators of crimes against humanity in Guantánamo, Iraq, Afghanistan, and the CIA's secret prisons, there will be mounds of evidence available from documented international reports by human-rights organizations, including an arm of the European parliament—as well as such deeply footnoted books as Stephen Grey's Ghost Plane: The True Story of the CIA Torture Program and Charlie Savage's just-published Takeover: The Return of the Imperial Presidency and the Subversion of American Democracy.
While the Democratic Congress has yet to begin a serious investigation into what many European legislators already know about American war crimes, a particularly telling report by the International Committee of the Red Cross has been leaked that would surely figure prominently in such a potential Nuremberg trial. The Red Cross itself is bound to public silence concerning the results of its human-rights probes of prisons around the world—or else governments wouldn't let them in. "

[porphyrian]

1. I'll believe that if and when it happens. - n/t

[stillcool]

2. It seems justice will only come...

from outside this government. When I think of the families of the millions of people...in Iraq alone, who have been dis-placed, maimed, murdered, tortured...at the hands of this government, I can't help but believe the time will come to pay the piper. It always has for me.

[madokie]

5. it is, it will, its just a matter of time now

in my book only a fool could/would think otherwise. These people are responsible for thousands and thousands of innocent deaths, possibly millions. Our congress critters may not think thats important but the rest of the world sure does. bushco* will pay for their many crimes, that I would bet on if I was a betting man

[zbdent]

3. This is why I believe that the Impeachment is off the table

under "our" rules, a person cannot be prosecuted for the same crime twice ...

and once a Dem prez is installed, the protections of the office no longer apply to Bush ... and the new prez can (and should) order the Secret Service to detain (and deport) a war criminal for trial ...

[madokie]

6. I hadn't thought about that as the reason for the table remark in the first place

[Senator]

7. Not sure I get your point

But a new Dem majority can (and should) impeach, then demand prosecution of a war criminal for trial.

In fact our treaty obligation is to "punish them here," so there is no need to "punish them there." If we fail to do so -- or to do so vigorously enough, we are harboring international fugitives -- a war crime in itself.

Our domestic "double jeopardy" laws don't enter into any of it.

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[zbdent]

10. the "double jeopardy" law wouldn't enter into it ... BUT

when you consider the "liberal bias" in the media (shown with the hiding of the Larry Craig arrest for months), this would be pounded into the ignorant masses' heads constantly - "He can't be tried twice!"

Remember, the unwashed masses were convinced that the votes were recounted and recounted and recounted ...

[Senator]

12. While I can't agree that the masses are "ignorant" or "unwashed"...

...I can tell you that they are irrelevant to war crime prosecutions.

As I said, our obligation is to "punish here" under treaty. Should leaders, or masses, or both fail to do it for any reason, it becomes the duty of the other treaty signatories.

The accused can be legally abducted anywhere in the world, by anyone with a claim of "authority," and renditioned to the Hague or held until adjudication is completed.

And impeachment, while containing a procedure called a "trial," is not a prosecutorial or punitive act. Being removed from office is for the purpose of protecting the Constitution from ongoing violation. No one has a right to hold office, so removal is not "punishment."

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[zbdent]

14. BUT MY POINT IS THAT THE "LIBERAL MEDIA" WILL PAINT IT THAT

WE'RE BEING SPITEFUL AND PARTISAN THAT WE ARE CREATING NEW LAWS TO APPLY ONLY TO BUSH BECAUSE WE ARE RETALIATING FOR IMPEACHING CLINTON!

And the "ignorant masses" will buy it, because Faux says so.

Never mind that Bush and his cronies ARE WAR CRIMINALS AND ARE GUILTY OF CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY, we will be portrayed as "petty" ...

Is that clear enough?

[GeorgeGist]

8. clueless ...

being impeached and convicted is not a crime.

[zbdent]

11. but try to convince the ignorant masses of that ...

the ones who felt that, by being impeached, Clinton was guilty. It doesn't matter to them that he was found NOT GUILTY ... he was IMPEACHED ...

Remember, you'd be trying to convince people who believe that Iraq attacked us on 9/11/2001 ...

[Colorado Progressive]

9. that's clever.....nt

[liberal renegade]

4. whatever.........

:rofl: I'll believe it when i see it....

[MetaTrope]

13. The bad news is, 20 percent of Americans will still want to defend Bush at the trial

The good news is, they aren't able to find Europe on a map.

[snot]

15. The Red Cross has been taken over by the neocons.

They recognized a cash cow when they saw it.

Those of us who worked on Katrina saw plenty of examples of the results.