Are Rabid Anti-Gay Men Actually Gay? Seems like the odds are pretty good...

[NoodleyAppendage]

There appears to be an inverse relationship between the level at which men protest against homosexuality and their own sexual preference. Are the Vitter, Craig, and other prominent figure incidents an example of Freudian defense mechanisms?

J

[northzax]

1. there is certainly a portion of them that are

no doubt, denial and self hatred is a powerful thing. but some people are just assholes. you could compare it to racism, for instance. do a majority of rabid racists really want to have sex with black women (for example?) or just some of them? (cough, cough, strom thurmond)

[Klukie]

2. I suspect this may be the case....

What is the line? He doth protest too much?

[BOSSHOG]

3. No

My amateur psychosis tells me they are nothing more then sexually repressed perverts who by their political affiliation are tied in moral knots while at the same time just wanting to hump the shit out of anything. A doorknob. A pillow. A guy taking a shit. They are the face and the voice of today's conservative value machine. They are the congressional spokesmen for members of free republic.

[MindPilot]

4. This was being discussed on my local AAR station this morning

Several gay men called in an the general consensus is yes, the most homophobic gay-bashers are very likely closeted themselves.

[Touchdown]

5. Yes, and KKK members secretly want to be black

...and Tom Tancredo really wants to cross the Arizona desert to pick lettuce for $3 and hour. It may occur on rare occasions, but it's far from universal.

Vitter and Craig aren't homophobes. They appeal to the homophobes to get elected. They're whores. There's a difference. Revvie Haggard isn't a homphobe, he says homophobic things because he's made big bucks telling homophobes what they want to hear in his church.

Why does this stupid subject rear it ugly head every month? :eyes:

[NoodleyAppendage]

9. Couldn't they have just as easily identified with their homosexuality and gotten elected elsewhere?

It's simplistic to think that these individuals are purely conscious of their motives. Why didn't they initially identify with their sexual preference and choose a party or constituency that better fit their lifestyle? There's an element of self-loathing that is undeniable and unaccounted by your simplistic hand-waving.

J

[Touchdown]

13. You're using the word "Preference"

...which tells me that you don't give gay people much thought. Not a slam, but certainly not enough to evaluate the motives of those who try to get elected in states such as Idaho. An openly gay congressman from Idaho. Think about it.

That element of self loathing is part and parcel of a society that told him since he was a boy that he was a pervert, disgusting, bound for hell, and a criminal (Craig).

Sometimes bigotry is just bigotry. It's homophobic to think that every homophobic asshole is a closet case (one of them). Are you trying to separate us from you with this thread?

[JackBeck]

18. "Preference" and "lifestyle".

All I need to know.

[NoodleyAppendage]

6. It would be interesting to correlate Repuke Pols physical features w/ their anti-gay rhetoric.

There was a recent article on physionomic features of homosexuality that was provocative. It would be interesting to see if their is a higher proportion of Repukes with rabid anti-gay stances with these supposed physical homosexuality markers.

J

[Toasterlad]

14. Yes, And Then You Can Get a Degree in Craniology!

We'll figure out who all the criminals are by their misshapen heads and close-set eyes!

You lost the little credibility you had with this "physical attributes" nonsense. I really should have known by your OP that you were full of it. My bad.

[NoodleyAppendage]

20. Whether you like it or not their are physiological commonalities that suggest genetic underpinnings.

I'm not talking about phrenology (and I suspect you know it). I'm referring to published and PEER-REVIEWED scientific works that have shown that people are quite good at detecting sexual preference from appearance alone. This is NOT an illusory finding and does point toward common features that may constitute "gaydar."

J

[Touchdown]

26. Prove it.

Links please.

[NoodleyAppendage]

29. Here you go. It's actually good news. If true, then it refutes fundy arguments against homosexuals

http://nymag.com/news/features/33520/

And, I would encourage you to look at the source material upon which the observations are based.

What's your problem anyway? Physiological markers would suggest that homosexuality is innate and NOT learned, which drives a stake in the heart of the fundy argument against homosexuality. It's actually a GOOD THING...or do you not get that?

J

[Touchdown]

17. "Physical homosexuality markers"?????

:wtf:

Do you need some books on the subject for me to send you? I'll glady buy them.

[JackBeck]

22. Next thing you, he'll be measuring the length of women's fingers

To figure out wheter or not they're lesbian.


:eyes:

[TwilightZone]

24. There was a story on it in the news recently.

The study claimed that there was a correlation of relative finger length (and some other physical characteristics) to sexual preference. I recall that either TDS or the Colbert Report had a story on it.

[NoodleyAppendage]

27. Here you go. Why don't you read up instead of being close-minded and reactionary?

http://nymag.com/news/features/33520/

Read. Then comment.

J

[Toasterlad]

37. Read It. Here's My Comment:

It's trash. Gaydar is a function of body LANGUAGE (the way the body is used, NOT the way it's made), of vocabulary, of style. It has no actual "physical" component. You can NOT tell a gay man by how long their fingers are, or how their hair swirls. You may think identifying gays by physical attributes is a "good thing", but it's also a "FALSE thing".

The problem with studies like these is that their "control" group is made up exclusively of men and women who identify as gay. Sadly, there are still MANY people in this country (and around the world) who, despite being gay, would never admit to it for any reason, not even for an anonymous study. And many of those people pass for straight because they DON'T have stereotypical gay "mannerisms"; they're in the closet because they CAN be - nobody would guess they're gay. Therefore, the population samples of these ridulous studies are skewed.

[NoodleyAppendage]

42. So, hair sworls, finger length, and other physical differences are "body language?"

Typical. Don't accuse fundies of being reactionary and trashing science when it doesn't suit their purposes when you are so willing to do the same. The studies were conducted in a University setting with peer-review. Just because you don't like it, doesn't make it trash.

J

[Toasterlad]

44. Umm....NO.

Body language, as I said, is how the body is USED, not how it's made.

You're right, however, that just because I don't like a study doesn't mean it's trash. In this case, the reasons I mentioned regarding the validity of the test group make it trash. There is no outward common physical attribute among gay people.

I'm just saving you the ten years it'll take for someone to empirically disprove this nonsense. You should be thanking me.

[NoodleyAppendage]

49. So, is homosexuality innate (genetic) or learned? Your argument suggests the latter...same as fundy

J

[SidDithers]

7. Some might be...

but most rabidly anti-gay ment are probably just assholes.

Sid

[Madspirit]

8. Hetero Hatred is the Root Cause

STOP BLAMING US FOR THE CRIMES COMMITTED AGAINST US. Or let's blame you! If this thesis has any accuracy and I actually do think some crimes committed against us are committed by people with some repressed sexuality of some kind...well then the only reason people would repress their sexuality, having it only show in violence against gays, IS BECAUSE STRAIGHTS, ESPECIALLY RELIGIONIST STRAIGHTS HAVE SPREAD SUCH HATE AND HATEFUL LIES ABOUT US, MAKING "GAY" SOMETHING SHAMEFUL....SOMETHING TO PROVE THAT YOU'RE NOT. THAT'S sick. Heterosexual hatred for gays...SICK and the cause of ALL of this.
Lee

[FreeState]

11. I Second that! N/T

[flamin lib]

10. There may be some truth to it. Those who think a behavior is wrong

but are drawn to it seem to raged against the evil they think is inflicting itself on them. "I'm not bad, that thing is bad and it's making me do/think bad things." You see it a lot in repressive fundamentalist religions.

[Toasterlad]

12. That's a Gross Over-Simplification.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, Sigmund. Most homophobes are NOT gay. There are tons of societal and religious pressures placed on people in this country to convince them that gay=bad. Self-loathing if far from the only thing that drives passionate homophobia.

P.S. It's not a "preference", it's an "orientation".

[treestar]

41. Given what the Bible says

Fundies are going to be against just because it is condemned in the Bible. That reflects an earlier culture, but the fundies don't see the Bible in any broad historical sense.

[YOY]

15. Fred Phelps is quite straight

So are his evil kin.

So was Falwell and his hateful ilk.

If you're theory is true then there are a whole buncha friends of Dorothy who are severely confused. These bigots aren't confused so much as they are hateful of what they don't/can't/won't understand.

So sorry...gotta disagree.

[NoodleyAppendage]

31. How do you know that Phelps is straight? Can you see into his inner-most thoughts? n/t

J

[YOY]

33. Until I see some evidence otherwise he's a hateful heterosexual bastard

that makes the all of us straight folks look bad.

[Binka]

32. Fred Is NOT STRAIGHT

I know someone who has known him for 25 years and they have told me all the most lurid details. He is a self loathing tea queen.

[YOY]

34. Until I see some pics or hear some testamonies I won't believe it

Sorry.

On edit: what is a "tea" queen? Forgive my ignorance.

[IndianaJones]

16. No...this has always seemed like an argument to me that is meant

to make discrimination against gays their own fault.

[AlCzervik]

19. i think they're ignorant.

[Lex]

21. Are Rabid Anti-Republican Men Actually Republicans?

Hmmm.

[JackBeck]

23. LOL!

Best one of the day!

[Lex]

30. wellllll . . .

I wish I came up with that myself but I have to credit a friend with that. :)

[RaleighNCDUer]

40. David Horowitz.

Rabid Marxist/closet republican. Came out a couple decades ago.

[lapfog_1]

25. Gee, I made nearly the same remarks about Holsinger

(homophobic nominee for Surgeon General) in much more polite language...

and was roundly criticized by DUers here. There were even a number that suggested that *I* was gay myself.
I'm not... but decided then to never comment on any issue about hypocritical gay republicans again.

I see you haven't suffered the same fate.

[Toasterlad]

45. The Difference

His question did not "accuse" anyone in particular of being gay, yours (which I did not read, but can surmise from what you said) did. We gay folk dislike it when people claim that bad people (read: Republicans) are in the closet; it reinforces the sterotype (intentionally or no) that being gay is, itself, bad. In other words, it's insulting to us when people say something like, "Rick Santorum is such a homophobic asshole, you just know he's gay." We know you generally don't MEAN to be jerks about it, but it still kind of stings.

I wouldn't feel like the OP got off too easy though...read some of the other responses. Quite frankly, I'd rather have read YOUR post than his.

[treestar]

28. I don't think it always has to be so

Some people just hate anyone who is different. They find it threatening if everything does not go by the rules and makes them feel like things are predictable and will get out of their control. Thus they want everyone to follow the same religion, have the same holidays and abide by the same customs. They can't handle ambiguity.

[DCKit]

36. Maybe the repressed Republics hate the out homos for their freedoms? nt

[emilyg]

35. No.

[JVS]

38. Not this again! Some might be gay and want to hide it, others might be straight and just hate gays

[gollygee]

39. I think many right-wing fundamentalist Christians are anti-gay

and if someone was gay and was a right-wing fundamentalist Christian, he might very well have some kind of internal struggle going on and might attempt to live a life that is not natural for himself, but straight right-wing fundamentalist Christians are probably pretty anti-gay too. SO I would say most anti-gay people are straight, as most people are straight, and most members of any particular religious group are straight.

[Madspirit]

43. Noodley is Secretly Gay By His Own Drugstore POP Psychology Version of Life...

Why these threads are allowed when homophobia is strictly forbidden by the rules, I have no idea but it makes me puke. THIS THREAD IS HOMOPHOBIC...SO NOODLEY...ARE YOU SECRETLY GAY?

Lee

[Bluebear]

46. Yes, and KKK members secretly wished they were black,

[blondeatlast]

47. As a rule, I reject sexual identity labels. My guess is that they've had feelings

but found it deadly necessary to suppress them.

[foreigncorrespondent]

48. What...

...a few get caught with their pants down in a moment of queer sex, and now they ALL have to be gay to make people like you happy?