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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 07:13 PM
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"It...is embarrassing...when President Bush travels 8,000 miles only to wind up avoiding reality..."
Olbermann's Special Comment on the Lessons of Viet Nam

Olbermann: Lessons from the Vietnam War

Keith Olbermann responds to Bush's comparison between Vietnam and Iraq

By Keith Olbermann
Anchor, 'Countdown'
Updated: 8:55 p.m. ET Nov 20, 2006

It is a shame and it is embarrassing to us all when President Bush travels 8,000 miles only to wind up avoiding reality again.

And it is pathetic to listen to a man talk unrealistically about Vietnam, who permitted the “Swift-Boating” of not one but two American heroes of that war, in consecutive presidential campaigns.

But most importantly — important beyond measure — his avoidance of reality is going to wind up killing more Americans.

And that is indefensible and fatal.

Asked if there were lessons about Iraq to be found in our experience in Vietnam, Mr. Bush said that there were, and he immediately proved he had no clue what they were.

“One lesson is,” he said, “that we tend to want there to be instant success in the world, and the task in Iraq is going to take a while.”

“We’ll succeed,” the president concluded, “unless we quit.”

If that’s the lesson about Iraq that Mr. Bush sees in Vietnam, then he needs a tutor.

Or we need somebody else making the decisions about Iraq.

Mr. Bush, there are a dozen central, essential lessons to be derived from our nightmare in Vietnam, but “we’ll succeed unless we quit,” is not one of them.

<...>

The fourth pivotal lesson of Vietnam, Mr. Bush: If the same idiots who told Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon to stay there for the sake of “peace With honor” are now telling you to stay in Iraq, they’re probably just as wrong now, as they were then ... Dr. Kissinger.

And the fifth crucial lesson of Vietnam, Mr. Bush — which somebody should’ve told you about long before you plunged this country into Iraq — is that if you lie your country into a war, your war, your presidency will be consigned to the scrap heap of history.

<...>

Yet these parallels — and these lessons — eluded President Bush entirely.

And, in particular, the one over-arching lesson about Iraq that should’ve been written everywhere he looked in Vietnam went unseen.

“We’ll succeed unless we quit”?

Mr. Bush, we did quit in Vietnam!

A decade later than we should have, 58,000 dead later than we should have, but we finally came to our senses.

The stable, burgeoning, vivid country you just saw there, is there because we finally had the good sense to declare victory and get out!

The domino theory was nonsense, sir.

Our departure from Vietnam emboldened no one.

Communism did not spread like a contagion around the world.

<...>

Finally, in Vietnam, we learned the lesson. We stopped endlessly squandering lives and treasure and the focus of a nation on an impossible and irrelevant dream, but you are still doing exactly that, tonight, in Iraq.

And these lessons from Vietnam, Mr. Bush, these priceless, transparent lessons, writ large as if across the very sky, are still a mystery to you.

“We’ll succeed unless we quit.”

No, sir.

We will succeed against terrorism, for our country’s needs, toward binding up the nation’s wounds when you quit, quit the monumental lie that is our presence in Iraq.

And in the interim, Mr. Bush, an American kid will be killed there, probably tonight or tomorrow.

And here, sir, endeth the lesson.

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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 07:17 PM
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1. Kick. n/t
:kick:
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 07:23 PM
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2. Damn
That's simply perfect.

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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 07:29 PM
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3. Oh, God...YES! (Sorry, just had a KOgasm).
;-)
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SaveAmerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 08:18 PM
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8. !!!!!
:smoke: :smoke: :smoke: :smoke: :smoke: :smoke: :smoke: :smoke: :smoke:

I give that response a nine!!
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 07:34 PM
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4. And a ...
:kick:
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 07:50 PM
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5. Thank you, rec''d, and that graphic is great! nt
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 07:51 PM
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6. "We will succeed when you quit" period. K & R for excellence! nt
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hvn_nbr_2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 08:06 PM
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7. "Our departure from Vietnam emboldened no one." But, but, but...
The domino theory was nonsense, sir.

Our departure from Vietnam emboldened no one.

Communism did not spread like a contagion around the world.


But, hey, everyone knows that as soon we left Vietnam, immediately Malaysia, Indonesia, the Phillipines, and Australia all went Commie. And just this afternoon, I saw the ghosts of Ho Chi Minh and Mao Tse-Tung walking on the water, hand in hand, into San Francisco Bay and pushing a string of falling dominoes in front of them.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 08:22 PM
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9. I remember when KO did this comment, and I thought then, as I
did today when Bush yet again compared Iraq to Vietnam, how DARE you???? How DARE you invoke Vietnam to support the FUBAR that is Iraq, when you were such a fucking chickenshit that you got daddy to get you out of having to go there and fight, and even then, you didn't finish the cushy assignment daddy got for you.

FUCK YOU! In the name of the 58,000 Americans who died there, the countless who were wounded, and the thousands upon thousands upon thousands of Vietnamese citizens who died as a result of that war, SHUT THE FUCK UP!!! You have NO RIGHT to invoke Vietnam. NONE.

:grr: :grr: :grr:


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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 12:21 AM
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10. K&R n/t
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 01:39 AM
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11. very good. But 8,000 miles?
Bush was in Montebello, Quebec on Tuesday and that's less than 1,400 miles from KCMO. Where does 8,000 miles come from?
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 09:20 AM
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15. The KO special comment was from 2006, when * visited (infected) Nam. nt
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 02:03 AM
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12. K & R
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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 02:06 AM
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13. It is Embarrasing that Bush is able to take a single step n/t
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 09:07 AM
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14. Did he get lost? And he's still riding his bike?
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bejammin075 Donating Member (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 03:18 PM
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16. Bush's bubble goes wherever Bush goes
But on the positive side, if anyone can ever figure out how to manufacture the material in Bush's bubble, it would be great for coating the front end of space shuttles that have to re-enter Earth's atmosphere.
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 05:11 PM
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k And r
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 05:11 PM
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17. k And r
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