Do the Right Thing

[H2O Man]

I find President Bush's attempts to capitalize on the nation's wounds from the Vietnam era obscene. If he really wants Americans to know what al Qaeda leaders say about the US war of occupation in Iraq, he should use this quote from Michael Scheuer's book Imperial Hubris: " 'We thank God for appeasing us with the dilemma in Iraq after Afghanistan,' Ayman al-Zawahiri said in late 2003. 'The Americans are now facing a delicate situation in both countries. If they withdraw they will lose everything and if they stay, they will continue to bleed to death'." (page xxi)

When democratic leaders in Washington, DC, talk about the need to have an Iraqi "elected" official step down, for failing to do his job, I am saddened. Who should be held accountable for the failures in Iraq, if not Bush and Cheney? Those in the House and Senate need to do the right thing: impeach them, now.

[porphyrian]

1. It's way past time, but not too late. - n/t

[H2O Man]

10. It's not too late

to do the right thing.

[Me.]

2. Absolutely

IMPEACH them now. Regardless of what Pelosi says, according to THE CONSTITUTION, it's still on the table.

[H2O Man]

5. Also

I think it's in one of Paul's songs from Red Rose Speedway:

"Well you know they were were wrong
Get on the right thing
Well you knew it all along
Get on the right thing
Believe me its so, because i happen to know

"Try a little love, you can't go wrong
Get On the right thing,
Get on the right thing,
Get on the right thing."

[Me.]

12. A Friend Was Just Telling Me

That on CNN, they were discussing polls and how the American people are fed up with Congress, the polls being as low as they've ever been. Of course they
re low for the chimpenator, but also, for the Supreme Court. The guy's comment was, when things get this bad, it's bad for the government and anything can happen. Well they've all been warned, they can read the polls as well as anyone. All of them. The houses of cards may be coming down.

[babylonsister]

3. Thanks, and you don't have to convince me!

:toast:

[H2O Man]

11. Thank you.

I have to wonder how any rational person can think that congress can get the US policy in Iraq straight, when there are such crooked people in this administration.

[KoKo]

23. Don't want to extend your thought further....

but it seems it goes deeper than just crooks in the administration...

It's not looking good anywhere..

But...don't want to be a downer. There are always a "few good folks." Let's hope they grow in strength.

[H2O Man]

25. You are right.

It won't be possible for Cheney and Bush to be in office at this point in time, if the system wasn't infected with poison.

[puebloknot]

31. To wax a bit biblical...

...this whole administration is a house built upon the sand.

We are turning for justice to those who have given up any sense of justice -- if they ever really embraced it.

It's important to keep up the impeachment drumbeat. Surely, there's one righteous man in "Babylon."

[bleever]

4. That was disgusting.

Impeach now.

[H2O Man]

7. He is depraved.

Impeachment is the answer.

[KoKo]

26. They won't do it...

It's clear. Our liberal Dem Congressman was greeted with protesters at a Town Hall Meeting and he said: "Impeachment is off the table...we have too much else to do." He represents Chapel Hill, NC...the most liberal district in the State. He said: "It's off the table," to all those protesters who voted him in.
And, this Congressman doesn't take alot of big money from the "usual suspects."

It's off the table. They will do nothing about it. We should have known...the signals we've been given have shown it. We just can't accept the reality of what they are telling us, I guess.

It's possible they feel getting legislation through that will tie Bush/Cheney down will work. Or, that resignations at justice will suffice. But, without consequences this corruption will go on and spill into whatever new administration comes in.

I don't know what to think, anymore...and what I think is too dark. Again...hoping for a few more "good folks" who can manage to do something. They aren't listening to the people. I don't know what happens when things get that out of whack.

[Me.]

35. And Just What Significant Legislation Has Been Stopped

Or, conversely, voted into law. Oh right, they took away our liberty and voted in the FISA law, not long after they gave * the go ahead for the war. They've held hearing and huffed and puffed and....nothing. So just what have they done to merit the votes they received?

[femrap]

64. I wonder if Congress has been

threatened w/ another bout of anthr*x if Impeachment is raised????? Something has them scared.

And these damn Blue Dogs....are these just people who used to be part of the 'normal' Republican party and now have become Dems because they're not religious wingnuts or neocons? Has the Dem party become the moderate Repugnant Party???? How many of these people used to be repugnants...like Webb for example.

[bjobotts]

73. Bush was AWOL during Viet Nam for so long it turned to desertion

Why doesn't the press call him on it. Hey Bush, what did you do during the Viet Nam War? Ha...heh heh...I...well I....good one. What's he gonna say. Why isn't the press or any one else even mentioning it? He was a deserter!

[flyarm]

6. THANK YOU!! ABSOLUTELY AND THEY ARE ABDICATING THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO THE CONSTITUTION BY NOT DOING

SO!

THE CONGRESS'S RESPONSIBILITY IS: not to polls, not to getting re-elected, it is not to getting the white house..their responsibility and their oath is to defend and protect the Constitution...

and they are failing..

and that is why they are 18 % approval in polls..because they are not defending and protecting the constitution!

and what part of that they don't get, has me deeply disturbed.

this congress looks more complicit than the retugs did!!

the rethugs would not even give pissy pants and gonzo as much freedom to wiretap us!

this congress keeps having hearings that seem meaningless..why bother??????

i am disgusted.

fly

[H2O Man]

13. How in the

hell can they say Maliki should resign for the good of Iraq, but not say that Cheney should be impeached for the good of this country?

[TahitiNut]

36. It just keeps getting more 'Through The Looking Glass' ...

... and everything is turned upside-down and inside-out by these corrupt bas-turds. Then, when (so-called) democrats nod sagely and engage in mild parsing and quibbling, I get the distinct image of idiots painting the roses (planted in shit) to please the Monarch of Farts.

Where's Charles Dodgson when we need him? :shrug:

[Horse with no Name]

37. It blows me away.

Plain and simple.

[flyarm]

40. THEY CAN'T AND YET HILLARY JUST CAME OUT AND SAID

Maliki should resign ...

I AM SO TIRED OF THIS SHIT..i wish she would just stfu!

i really am exhausted and disgusted with this shit!

what part of the fucking purple fingers does Hillary not get ??

how many purple fingers did we have to see and pissy pants cheering on an election we all know was fixed?? and now we don't like the fix Hillary??

bullshit..they told the world that it was a great election..now they want to over throw the winnder ( ha) of that phony assed election...

some democracy .....or i should say ..alot like ours these days ..huh pissy pants and Hillary??????????

fly

[Moochy]

42. Perfect Question for the Hillary Hearts Club/Band!!

[AikidoSoul]

66. You have every right to be disgusted with the Dems

for not impeaching.

Every day they assist in trampling the Constitution by their inaction. It also feeds into the image of Dems as having no cojones whatsoever.

:grr:

[spanone]

8. It is obscene of bu$h* to invoke the disaster of VietNam. What utter desperation.

I agree H2O Man

IMPEACH NOW

[H2O Man]

15. How can any

politician keep a straight face when they talk about democracy in Iraq, when there are enemies of our Constitutional democracy in that White House?

[BeHereNow]

17. Show me a politician who isn't an enemy of our constitutional democracy these days...

I am convinced there is not one among them who will do
the right thing.
And THAT, is our problem in a nutshell, so to speak.

I honestly don't know the answer.
I'm beginning to think there isn't one.
Not when they are ALL compicit in what has been done
to this country.

Frankly, I am disgusted beyond words these days.

BHN

[Amonester]

57. 1 politician who isn't an enemy of the constitution here:

Dennis Kucinich

Many others in the Democratic Party (the Dems who sponsor his 'impeach chainy first' bill).

The rest of Dem R disgusting.

[BeHereNow]

69. Yes Kucinch is swell guy, however, his chance of being sElected?

Zero.
But thanks for the example anyway.
Senator Byrd is another-
BHN

[bjobotts]

72. Kucinich chance of being elected-zero?? Bullshit. Not after Bush.

In MO a DEAD GUY was voted over John Ashcroft. Dead guy won.
After Bush and with the ridiculous GOP hopefuls we could run a dead guy and win. Forget the GENERAL or what the GOP or ROVE or any one else has to say, just focus on which democratic candidate you want as president and vote for him in the primary. Whoever wins the democratic primary will be the next president. There are no other viable choices so pick which dem you want for president an forget the "General" rhetoric because this time it won't matter.

Kucinich/Edwards '08. Yeah, that's the ticket

[BeHereNow]

82. Bookmark this thread for the future.

We'll discuss it then.

Trust me though- the corporate powers that hold this country hostage
will never allow Kucinich to lead it.
BHN

[spanone]

22. how can a nation export what it does not possess?

ain't nobody buying juniors democrcacy...

[brer cat]

9. He needs to listen to his own words.

WAPO today quoted * re Maliki: "If the government doesn't respond to the demands of the people, they will replace the government."

The *admin doesn't respond to, consider, or even care about the demands of the people, so we need to replace them. Right. Now. Before any more of our troops die.

Thanks for all that you do for us on DU, H2O Man!


:thumbsup:

[H2O Man]

20. I thought it was

almost Freudian when he talked about the need to remove officials who are unresponsive to the demands of the people.

[EVDebs]

29. Maliki has said US troops can go anytime they want. Well, what do you make of that ?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3469535&mesg_id=3469535

[snappyturtle]

14. Sadly, yes. n/t

[H2O Man]

24. Bush has no shame.

Of all the lies he has told, and of all the purposeful insults he has slung at the public, this one was the icing on the cake.

[snappyturtle]

81. Agreed. n/t

[understandinglife]

16. "... do the right thing: impeach them, now."

Yes, both Bush and Cheney. Moreover, they are both readily held to "inherent contempt" and that mechanism enables an immediate trial in either the House or the Senate depending solely on whether a Senator or Rep brings the charge. For Bush and Cheney it will be charges, for both.


Congress ... do your job.

[H2O Man]

58. Congress -- Do Your Job!

Don't try to pretend that we can find a sane Iraqi policy by switching officials there, when the problems started with the lying snakes in this administration.

[Senator]

18. K&R

[KoKo]

19. What he did today was disgraceful. Distortion of history and delivered

like the "screaming chimp" that the liberal internets have labeled him. He was raving and didn't discuss anything to do with Vet's health care or any issue that those Vets are dealing with in their daily lives.

Pump It UP! is all they know. And, we are subjected to this hour long raving from him as "CNN BREAKING NEWS!" If he goes on like this much longer I would think inquiring minds might start to think he might be ready for the strong men with white coats and a doctor with a mega-tranqulizer.

He's becoming more and more unhinged but the WaPo and NYT just gushes over him and Rahm Emmanuel says Dems are refocusing their Iraq message because the "Military" is handling the "surge," well.

I guess it will get worse before it gets better....but I had hoped we'd seen the worse. Not long before many of us have to tune it out...because one has to live and try to keep sane. Doesn't seem like anything we've done has changed much...given the cave-in of our party.

[Beetwasher]

21. They Are Engaging In A Full Frontal, All-Out, Orwellian Assault On Reality

And unabashedly trying to rewrite history. And they are ramping it up, big time. The more desperate and behind in public opinion they get, the more unabashed, brazen and heavy handed they will become in their methods.

This speech referencing Vietnam and the ad buy they just did showing wounded troops and widows who support the Iraq war by tying it to 9/11 is merely the beginning of their fresh Orwellian assault on reality. They are rolling out their "September Product" a few weeks early.

[H2O Man]

65. Right, exactly.

We will see more -- much more -- of this type of lying without conscience, between now and November 2008.

[Patsy Stone]

27. While everyone plays Hot Potato with the war

American soldiers and Iraqi citizens are dying. Congress, all of the candidates, and the press would do well to lay this at the Adminstration's feet and hold them accountable. And we have to be there encouraging them to do so at every opportunity.

I'd still enjoy seeing them in The Hague. I can dream, can't I?

[EVDebs]

28. "Death Flights" and "corrupt administration in Saigon" are other phrases we learned about

during that war. Maybe Gen Giap should have been allowed to speak at West Point after all, huh ?


General Westmoreland's Houseboy
(and VC Spy) Talks
http://www.vietnamwar.net/Houseboy.htm


Death flights
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_flights (see Vietnam)

and also "Phoenix Program"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Program

and "Gulf of Tonkin incident pretext for war"
http://newsmine.org/archive/deceptions/war-pretext-lies/ellsberg-gulf-of-tonkin.txt

which led to the "War Powers Resolution of 1973", mentioned briefly in Congress' Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMFs)

[pacalo]

30. They're telling us - the ones whose votes get them into office - that they don't want to jeopardize

their chances of support in the 2008 elections, that they might "turn off" voters with impeachment.

They are bartering away their duty of oversight so that they'll get more votes? What about the more lucid half of the country who already favor impeachment? If impeachment proceedings would begin, how many more eyes would be opened after hearing the facts come out?

I'm disgusted.

[Raksha]

33. What I'll never understand is WHY they think they'd turn off the voters

with impeachment. Some of us know all about what Bush and Cheney have done to deserve impeachment and removal from office. The rest who haven't been following the news strongly suspect something is VERY WRONG with our government, and I'm sure they are open to having their suspicions vindicated. If we actually had impeachment hearings, I bet they'd pay attention. And they WOULDN'T hold it against the Democrats!

[Me.]

34. That's Just One Of The New Talking Points

along with 'IMPEACHMENT will suck all the air out of the room'. They've gotten us to go along to get along and hold our noses for so long they thought that strategy would last forever. They are now finding out how wrong they were, and if there's any future going along to be done, it will have to be them.

[H2O Man]

52. It is obvious

that this "impeachment will suck the air out of the room" line has been created and distributed to democrats in congress, in response to the growing grass roots call for impeachment. There would not be a "need" for a unified, bumper-sticker response, unless they were putting their heads together, trying to think of a snappy response.

We can easily toss the hot potato back to them: The administration is sucking all the air out of the Constitution.

[Garbo 2004]

32. K & R n/t

[mmonk]

38. Yep.

When I heard they were calling for Prime Minister Maliki to step down for his political "failures", the first word in my head was hubris. I'm really disappointed in our leadership. They seem morally vacuous like everyone else.

[NanceGreggs]

39. So let it be written ...

... so let it be done.


(Needless to say, K & R)

[mmonk]

41. From Sibel Edmonds in her speech to the ACLU:

"We cannot go on pretending to have democracy. We cannot go on teaching the notions and principles of true American democracy to our youngsters in their Civics 101 books, when those notions and principles are no longer exercised. Currently, freedom of speech, due process, sunshine laws, the Freedom of Information Act, the Whistleblower Protection Act, and many other protections of our freedom that are written into our legislation and printed in our textbooks are only that, printed words. Printed words."

Printed words. How long will they just be printed words? How many generations? Forever maybe?

[Me.]

43. "We The People Should Rage" ('Where Is Your Outrage?')

Commentary: We the people should rage
Yes, impeachment should be on the table. But it won't as long as we shrug off this administration's arrogant misdeeds.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1644384

[antigop]

45. Where is your outrage? My outrage meter has been on overload for some time. n/t

[Raster]

44. Start with Cheney! Impeach Cheney NOW!

What the hell are they waiting for?

Cowards or Collaborators?

Wake up America!:kick:

[fooj]

46. How about some AUTHENTIC leadership?

I'm in full-on disgust mode. It's shameful. Seriously.

[Moochy]

47. K&R

:kick:

[byronius]

48. K&R.

[bjobotts]

49. I agree wholeheartedly. But note , Maliki is not an "elected" official.

He was appointed by Bush to replace the elected official.

Refereeing a civil war and wondering if (after arming both sides) they will play fair without their referee. Who cares...just as long as Bush/Cheney get the oil rights.

[zippy890]

50. you're right, its mind-blowing

that our leaders say these things about the Iraqi government.

I wonder if most Americans are even listening anymore. I don't think so, it seems people have just tuned the whole thing out, Iraq and the blowhards in Washington.

Why else the lack of interest in impeaching these criminals.

[SalmonChantedEvening]

51. Send Them. Packing.

And anyone else who dances away from this issue as well.

Congress: Impeach Now, Or Find Another Line Of Work.

You're Gonna Need It.

[Skidmore]

53. Yes, indeed.

Do the right thing and not the politically expedient thing.

[Myrina]

54. Blivet actually mentioned Viet Nam?

How the hell does he even know where/what it was?
He was too busy getting lit up to show up.

I certainly hope the irony of his hypocrisy was not lost on the audience or the press.

[myrna minx]

55. Thank you. Apparently the rabbit hole is a bottomless pit. n/t

[acmavm]

56. I just went through this thread looking for the names of the biggest

'support the dems at all costs' posters, and they aren't here. Now why am I not surprised?

[H2O Man]

59. Maliki

This business about replacing Maliki being a step towards success in Iraq remnds me of when the US thought that replacing the brothers Diem and Madame Nhu would make the US policy in Vietnam a winner.

[Rhiannon12866]

60. I absolutely agree.

It continues to appall me, the progressively more illegal and immoral actions that this unelected pair are able to get away with, with no repercussions. That Bush* would invoke Vietnam now, after avoiding the subject like the plague, considering his illegal efforts to avoid his obligation to serve, is beyond the pale...:grr:

[Caretha]

61. I've given up

For the past month, I've been in mourning for my country. I'm a realist and after considering all the facts, I've come to the conclusion that it is going to get much much worse, and it will be a long time before it gets better. Probably I won't live to see it.

I'm going into survival mode, and trying to figure out what my best options are.

This is what I predict and why I feel the way I do.

1. The Dems in Congress are either in cahoots with the Cabal, or so effectively suppressed that they aren't going to do "The right Thing".

2. The odds of another Mid-east conflict involving the US either in Syria, Iran or Lebanon are at about 90% within the year. This in my opinion will be the event that brings Russia & China openly into the game.

3. The US is on the brink of economic failure and the rest of the world is about to pull the plug on the US dollar ponzi scheme - not to mention the 100,000's of people who are about to default on their home bank loans and become homeless.

4. The Presidential election in '08 will not seat the best person for the job. The political races are all now just bread & circuses.

All the oxygen has been sucked out of Reality

[donkeyotay]

62. Shameless pandering to the love-it-or-leave-it crowd

A fall roll out of the new propaganda program to re-activate the Right's right to righteous outrage. The question should be asked, what would have happened if we stayed in Vietnam? Would our staying have resulted in this mythical victory? The very notion of victory must be more closely defined, for it is still the question in Iraq. If we stay, how many people will we kill, at what cost, and what will the "victory" look like? Is the victory oil? Is the victory elections that we overturn when we don't like the result? Is the victory full employment for defense contractors? Bush hit a new low in that speech. It is way past time for impeachment.

[femrap]

63. I'm on my third round of letter writing

to the Dems on the Judiciary Committee demanding them to begin IMPEACHMENT....Please join me in writing all 22 Dems. And send one to Pelosi as well!

Conyers
Berman
Nadler
Boucher
Scott
Baldwin Woman
Watt
Waters Woman
Jackson Lee Woman
Wexler
Schiff
Ellison
Sanchez Woman
Weiner
Gutierrez
Johnson, Hank
Sherman
Davis, Artur
Delahunt
Cohen
Lofgren Woman
Wasserman-Schultz Woman

I have bought some stickers of baseballs, footballs, and basketballs so my message in this up-coming letter is: FIND YOUR BALLS AND IMPEACH!!!

For the women, I have stickers of eggs: FIND YOUR OVA AND IMPEACH! Of course we don't need to tell Maxine Waters to find her ova.

Please join me and send letter/postcards. Takes 2 weeks so they'll arrive right after Labor Day.

[Flarney]

67. If the US attacks Iran, the blood is on Congress' hands. Impeach now. n/t

[EFerrari]

68. I can't agree more. It's a disgrace to blame the victims

of this malAdministration's predatory policy.

[Stephanie]

70. Can we impeach their enablers too?

.

[David Zephyr]

71. K&R

Shit or get off of the pot!

[Individualist]

74. K&R

:thumbsup:

[spanone]

75. I M P E A C H N O W

[bobthedrummer]

76. CHENEY FIRST

[spanone]

79. OK, THEN BU$H*

[H2O Man]

77. Sometimes

because of the pace of modern life, and all the information that tends to overload our systems in our waking hours, we forget The Power of Ideas.

Don't allow that to happen.

[TahitiNut]

78. For the last thirty-five years, I've seen a lot of folks seek benefits ...

... from "the nation's wounds from the Vietnam era." Ironically enough, the least benefited are those on the Wall, and others who were sent there in service.

Look at how it benefited Gore.

Look at how it benefited Kerry.

:puke:

[KT2000]

80. Agree! The standard

for leadership in this country now includes violating our Constitution and failing without accountability.
The only way to stop that from becoming the standard of our future is to impeach. NOW!