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Pamela Troy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 03:37 PM
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Those OTHERS
Its become quite fashionable in certain circles to inveigh against wellyou knowthem.

I mean those hook-nosed, black-haired, filthy-rich, conniving nonChristians with the funny dietary laws who are conspiring against all that is right in just in our society.

Oh come on, you knowthem! The swarthy types who want to take over the world, rape our blonde women, kill our children, and steal our stuff. Those others.

The Moslems.

The language of dehumanization never really changes. There might be some minor adjustments as societies and targets shift, but its striking to observe the common threads visible, whether youre discussing the anti-Semitic writings of Julius Streicher, the racist novels of Thomas Dixon Jr., or Ann Coulters latest bigoted screed. The language doesnt change because the purpose doesnt change. Its intent is paint a grotesque caricature of THE OTHER that, through sheer repetition, overlays reality in the minds of the audience

Weve been hearing the language a lot lately, and confined to those dark corners of society where it always exists, the trailer parks, compounds and bunkers where Klan and Nazi leaflets are passed around. Take a look at the rhetoric and imagery that are being offered up, not in clandestine meetings around burning crosses in the piney woods, but in bestselling books, on nationally televised news outlets and by nationally known media personalities, and the parallels between what they are saying and what other haters have said in the past are undeniable.

This piece is intended as a sort of primer, a step-by-step examination of how the language of hatred works -- and what it is for.

An important aspect of singling out THE OTHER is to invoke reflexive revulsion. One begins by defining the target group as unclean to the point of foul smelling. Observe the passages offered below:

By their very exterior you could tell they were no lovers of water, and to your distress you also knew it with your eyes closed. Adolph Hitler How I Became an Anti-Semite


At night when they'd detail me to help the ambulance corps carry off the dead and the wounded, there was a strange smell on the field that came from the blood and night damp and burnt powder. It always smelled like a nigger to me! It made me sick. Yes, Preacher, God forgive me, I hate 'em! I can't help it any more than I can the color of my skin or my hair.
From Thomas Dixons 1905 novel, THE LEOPARDS SPOTS


Or is NATO -- like the conventions of civilized behavior, personal hygiene and grooming -- inapplicable when Muslims are involved?
Ann Coulter 2/15/2006 Muslim Bites Dog


This tactic is effective on a primal level, but can only go so far. After all, while they stink may be the sum total of ones argument, relying on it isnt going to convince those who notice that most if not all of the Jews/blacks/Moslems, etc. they meet do not, in fact, smell bad. So the evil of the Jew, the African American, the Moslem, etc. must be presented as a sort of taint that can never be washed away, a tragic, permanent, insidious state that renders an individual suspect no matter how clean, presentable, and normal he or she appears to be. Once THE OTHER always THE OTHER is another common theme in the language of dehumanization:

If a Jew comes along Wanting a priest to baptize him, Be on your guard and beware; Jew remains always Jew!
From Julius Streichers children's book, THE POISONED TOADSTOOL


Even liberals can see that in the pictures from New Orleans, because Jew-deluded American Whites havent just tried to build a nation on sand, theyve used the worst possible kind of sand the black kind. Theyve ignored this simple but compelling truth: You can take niggers out of the jungle, but you cant take the jungle out of niggers, and given the slightest opportunity it will rise to the surface in all its snarling, spitting fury.
From a white supremacist website


LEE RODGERS: If your father is a Muslim, you're a Muslim, and as far as Islamic law is concerned, you are a Muslim forevermore.
OFFICER VIC: And there's no getting out.
LEE RODGERS: And Islamic law says: "You try to get out, any Muslim has not only the right but the duty to kill you."
KSFO talk radio 1/27/07


And education, of course, does absolutely no good. It can even be a detriment if the education is in THE OTHERS religion:

Solly is delighted with the rabbi's praise. Solly says: "In the Talmud it is written: Only the Jew is human. The Gentile peoples are not called people, rather they are named animals.

Furthermore, in the Book of Sirach it says:

Terrify all the nations, 0 Judah! Lift up your hands against the Gentiles! Incite the wrath of the Gentiles against each other and pour out anger! Shatter the princes who are enemies to the Jews."

"Enough!" interrupts the rabbi. He comes up to Solly and shakes his hand. Then he says:

"You are a fine Talmud student. You will become a real Jew.
Jules Streicher, THE POISONED TOADSTOOL


Even you are still labouring under the delusions of 'Reconstruction.' The Ethiopian cannot change his skin, or the leopard his spots Your scheme of education is humbug. You don't believe that any amount of education can fit a negro to rule an Anglo-Saxon, or to marry his daughterThe more you educate, the more impossible you make his position in a democracy. Education! Can you change the colour of his skin, the kink of his hair, the bulge of his lips, the spread of his nose, or the beat of his heart, with a spelling book? The Negro is the human donkey. You can train him, but you can't make of him a horse.
From Thomas Dixon's 1905 novel, THE LEOPARDS SPOTS


He went to a Muslim school, a madrassa they call it, funded -- those things are funded by Saudi Arabia. It's basically a school for terrorists, now this particular one was in Indonesia. He was there for four years, I understand. I don't know what kind of indoctrination process went on there. He was quite young at the time, but he doesn't seem to be, so far, very eager to talk about it.
Lee Rodgers on rumors that Barak Obama attended a Madrassa or Muslim school when he was six. 1/23/07 KSFO


Then, off course, theres that sturdy old chestnut, These people have no culture anyway. THE OTHER is portrayed as incapable of building a society or contributing to it:

That does not build a Jewish community, for that would be a positive trait. Quite the opposite. One must see how the Jew cheats, exploits and tortures his blood comrades when he is placed in power over them. There is no worse traitor to his own blood than the Jew. I myself have seen how Jewish overlords misuse their Jewish comrades and exploit them to death.
Third Reich writer Robert Ley, "Pesthauch der Welt"


The African has held one fourth of this globe for 3000 years. He has never taken one step in progress or rescued one jungle from the ape and the adder, except as the slave of a superior race. In Hayti and San Domingo he rose in servile insurrection and butchered fifty thousand white men, women and children a hundred years ago. He has ruled these beautiful islands since. Did he make progress with the example of Aryan civilisation before him? No. But yesterday we received reports of the discovery of cannibalism in Hayti. Thomas S. Dixon, THE LEOPARD'S SPOTS


There are many Arab countries, but there is hardly an Arab nation-statehere is no Lebanese nation...there is no Iraqi nation....Not that Kuwait or Saudi Arabia is a nation eitherThe problem with Saudi Arabia is that there are no Saudi Arabians. Most of its people live in remote mountains by the rules of their clan or of their tribe; they don't even know what a nation is."
Marty Peretz, on The New Republic's Blog, "The Plank," 1990


This kind of hatred is typically referred to as dehumanization because it denies its targets the traits we associate with being human cleanliness, empathy, the ability to build a community One way of sidling even further into the theyre not human mindset is to talk about the problem they pose in the manner one would discuss animal populations. Thus, that other clich in the language of hatred: Theyre out-breeding us!

If present trends continue, by the end of the century Germany will be a nation with only 40-50 million inhabitants, and we know that on our borders other peoples are growing quickly and strongly. Sooner or later, these other peoples will come in conflict with a shrinking and dying German people, and the result of the supposed doctrine of happiness will be a hard and bitter national death for our children.
Dr. Gro, "Nationalsozialistische Rassenpolitik. Eine Rede an die deutschen Frauen (Dessau, C. Dnnhaupt, 1934)


The Negro birth rate is almost twice as high as that of the Whites. There is no White population explosion in America, or anywhere in the world. It is all colored. The colored woman has the children; the White women are on the pill or have abortions.
Ray Smith The Black Mans Gift to Portugal on the Stormfront Website


Because we see what is happening in Europe. Russia is a good example. When people stop having babies because they are inconvenient, populations cease being self-sustaining, end up filling population gaps with immigrants who then make demands on the culture the homies might not like, such as demands for Sharia law in some parts of Europe.
John Gibson, Fox News, 5/18/06


Merely having more children is not going to suffice against so dangerous and powerful a force as THE OTHER. Having established that they cannot be trusted to be truly clean, or to interact with other human beings as human beings in a society typically interact, or to understand the same impulses that drive other human beings in a community, the next question to be answered is, what do we do?

The answer frequently is Harden your heart. THE OTHER must be seen as so dangerous, so deceitful that most if not all individuals who make up its whole are guilty, whether its through ties of blood or by simply being at home (or in a vehicle on the road out of the area being attacked) during a bombardment. The crimes of THE OTHER must be portrayed as so heinous that the crimes committed against them are forgivable. On the whole, there are no innocent OTHERS, but if one does grudgingly concede some measure of innocence, Dr. Dershowitzs modified version of Orwells famous line from his satiric novel ANIMAL FARM some animals are more equal than others -- should be kept in mind. Remember, a teenage girl deliberately killed by THE OTHERS bomb is an atrocity that exposes the vicious inhumanity of the bombers and warrants a raw-throated roar of anguish and rage. A teenage girl deliberately killed by our bomb is a pity (why didnt she get out of the way?) that should elicit little more than a dignified moue of regret that such tactics are necessary.

When Mr. Bramsig or Mrs. Knterich feel pity for an old woman wearing the Jewish star, they should also remember that a distant nephew of this old woman by the name of Nathan Kaufmann sits in New York and has prepared a plan by which all Germans under the age of 60 will be sterilized. They should recall that a son of her distant uncle is a warmonger named Baruch or Morgenthau or Untermayer who stands behind Mr. Roosevelt, driving him to war, and that if they succeed, a fine but ignorant U.S. soldier may one day shoot dead the only son of Mr. Bramsig or Mrs. Knterich. It will all be for the benefit of Jewry, to which this old woman also belongs, no matter how fragile and pitiable she may seemOne of the most effective defenses is an unforgiving, cold hardness against the destroyers of our people, against the instigators of the war, against those who would benefit if we lose, and therefore also against the victims, if we win.
From a speech by Josef Goebbels


Keep the facts in mindthe people of Georgia are orderly and conservative, the descendants of ancestors who have been trained in America for 150 years. There is among them no foreign or lawless elementWhen the picture is painted of the ravisher in flames, go back and view that darker picture of Mrs. Cranford outraged in the blood of her murdered husband. Excerpt from an Atlanta Newspaper account of a black lynching victim, accused of and murdering a man named Cranford and raping Cranfords wife. The lynch mob stripped the accused man of his clothes, saturated him with oil, cut off his fingers, ears, and genitals, and skinned his face before burning him alive.


But just who is a civilian in the age of terrorism, when militants dont wear uniforms, dont belong to regular armies and easily blend into civilian populations? We need a new vocabulary to reflect the realities of modern warfare. A new phrase should be introduced into the reporting and analysis of current events in the Middle East: the continuum of civilianality, The Israeli army has given well-publicized notice to civilians to leave those areas of southern Lebanon that have been turned into war zones. Those who voluntarily remain behind have become complicit. it would be informative to learn how many of the civilian casualties fall closer to the line of complicity and how many fall closer to the line of innocence.

Every civilian death is a tragedy, but some are more tragic than others
Allan Dershowitz, LA Times, 8/22/06


So since there is no point differentiating between innocent Jews, black or Moslems and the guilty majority, the next step is to identify and either segregate or closely watch all members of that group. Not everyone can be trusted, after all, to read the tell-tale signs that obviously mark out THE OTHER to the well-informed citizen. This is frequently described in terms of social hygiene, not of targeting human beings, but battling filth, vermin, infection, or insanity, of quarantining a dangerous contagion.

One of these measures is the institution of the yellow star that each Jew must wear It is a remarkably humane measure on our part, a hygienic and prophylactic measure to be sure that the Jew cannot infiltrate our ranks unseen to sow discord.
Josef Goebbels


The colored race multiplies like the locusts of Egypt. The grog-shop is its center of power. The safety of women, of childhood, of the home is menaced in a thousand localities at this moment. Mrs. Frances Willard, Head of the WCTU, in THE VOICE, October 1890


DAVID ASMAN: Should we single out Muslim immigrants for special scrutiny to protect Americans and our markets?
JIM MICHAELS, Editorial Vice President, Forbes Magazine : Yep. the fact is Muslim society throughout the world is infected with Islamofascism.... They (the terrorists who attacked the British subway system) were British citizens, most of them. They were second generation. They were people who brought the infection with them.
From an exchange on FORBES ON FOX 8/19/06


The alert reader will notice the manner in which these quotes swirl around a central, mostly unspoken point. Frequently the language of hatred is oblique, consisting of justifications for an assumption that the writer or speaker trusts an audience to understand without going through the sordid process of actually stating it outright. Its purpose is to convince listeners and readers to either treat THE OTHER as less than human, or to countenance such treatment, treatment that can include exclusion, internment, torture, murder, or even outright extermination.

Every now and then, of course, this need to not just insult, but physically attack THE OTHER through either legal or extralegal means, must be stated directly. In a society where the language of hatred has become more and more mainstreamed, the ability of such statements to shock or outrage steadily diminishes. The language of extermination is increasingly accepted as a normal part of political discourse, whether stated directly our couched in long winded, pseudo-scholarly terms:

The Jewish people is the people of the Devil. It is a people of criminals and murderers. The Jewish people must be exterminated from the face of the earth.
Die Geheimplne gegen Deutschland enthllt," Der Strmer, 1933


As Americans, we must either soon recognize and accept the fact that, with reference to the word at large, Providence has ordained the sole and universal ascendancy of what men, and, at the same time, made equitable provision for the extinction of all the black and copper-colored races, or else we ourselves, as delinquent offshoots o the Caucasion type, are absolutely certain to be expunged from the earth, and will deserve to be so expunged, for our willful blindness and disobedience.
Hunton R. Helper, Nojoque: A Question for a Continent, 1867


DON IMUS, host: They're eating dirt and that fat pig wife of his is living in Paris.
ROSENBERG: They're all brainwashed, though. That's what it is. And they're stupid to begin with, but they're brainwashed now. Stinking animals. They ought to drop the bomb right there, kill 'em all right now.
Imus in the Morning, 11/12/04


And of course, whatever happens in the future will be the responsibility of THE OTHER rather than those who actually perpetrate crimes against THE OTHER. The typical stance is that of a normally peace-loving people who have pushed to the limits of their patience and now are forced to act, however reluctantly:

If the Jew wants to fight, it is fine with us. We have wanted that fight for a long time. There is no room in the world for the Jews any more. The Jew or us, one of us will have to go. We know that the Jew will lose, that he and his devilish, life-denying and destructive doctrines will be destroyed.
Robert Ley


Those involved might have gone too far, but they are white men and Crawford was black. The black must submit to the white or the white will destroy him inevitable and racially justifiable his own reckless course due to chest inflation from wealthIt will never do to convict white men for the act, for we will have more negroes to kill becaue of it. It must be not guilty on all counts.
1916 editorial from the ABBEVILLE SCIMITAR (Louisiana) on the lynching of Anthony Crawford, a well-to-do black plantation owner who, after a quarrel with a white store-owner, was seized by a mob, hung up in a pine tree and Shot to Pieces.


Indonesia is really just another enemy Muslim nationYou keep screwing around with stuff like this, we're going to kill a bunch of you. Millions of you.
Lee Rodgers, 10/25/06, KSFO Radio


Unfortunately, there are always people who just dont understand the need for hardness in such a war, and here is where even further blurring of the line between the innocent and the guilty take place. Anyone who refuses to join in the war against THE OTHER is considered to be in league with THE OTHER and ultimately must be treated as THE OTHER. The language used against these traitors becomes indistinguishable from the language used against THE OTHER. The concept of THE OTHER is thus expanded to include not only members of the target group, but all who refuse to join in the war against THE OTHER.

If someone wears the Jewish star, he is an enemy of the people. Anyone who deals with him is the same as a Jew and must be treated accordingly. He earns the contempt of the entire people, for he is a craven coward who leaves them in the lurch to stand by the enemy.
Josef Goebbels 1941


On this spot a few years ago a white man was found who had been tarred and feathered because he preached social equality to Negroes. If you are a reckless Negro or a White man who believes in social equality, be advised Dade county dont need you.
From a monument that appeared on a sidewalk in Miami, Florida, 1925. Reported by the Miami Herald.


We do detest you, we despise you and we hold you in complete and utter contemptThe day will come, the day will come when unpleasant things are going to happen to a bunch of stupid liberals, its going to be amusing to watch, very amusing to watch.
Lee Rodgers, KSFO radio, 6/30/06


The cumulative effect of all this is a sort of inoculation against empathy or fellow feeling, the widespread belief that THE OTHER stands so far outside of what is human that they are undeserving of humane treatment, or even the common decency typically extended to all fellow humans. Extending common decency is dismissed as irrational weakness, softness. This effect on certain individuals was neatly summed up by a posting on Lucianne.com shortly after the death of liberal Senator Paul Wellstone in a plane crash in 2002. Should I feel guilty because Im glad hes dead? If I feel like liberal democrats are American traitors, isnt that a logical response?

Thus, the person repeatedly exposed to the language of hatred does not see acts of violence against THE OTHER the way those not exposed to such language sees it. The person who has repeatedly heard THE OTHER described as stinking, brutal, animals/infections/cancers/vermin can see, NOT



BUT INSTEAD



NOT



BUT INSTEAD



NOT



BUT INSTEAD...

I'm sure you get the idea.

Take a good hard look at these pictures. Note the differences between the nasty reality of the man kneeling beside the mass grave and the fantasy of the strong Aryan confronting the fat Jew, the reality of the children smirking at a black man whos just been hanged, and the fantasy of the noble Klansmen seizing the black rapist. Thats what its all about.

The language of dehumanization has only one aim, and when it begins to leak out into mainstream discourse from the dank little crevices and holes, the klaverns, bunds, and terrorist cells where it typically lurks, anyone who has a conscience needs to pay attention and be concerned.

Its the sound of a society talking itself into doing something atrocious.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 03:43 PM
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1. K&R. . A brilliant, damning essay. . . .n/t
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 04:00 PM
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2. K&R+ Pamela! A cross-post to a thread that might interest many OTHERS
"Escape to Wisconsin-like Nazis, neocons, organized crime and black ops did" (started 7-27-2007)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 04:11 PM
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3. Recommended
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Katherine Brengle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 04:11 PM
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4. Defining someone as "other" is the only way
to fully dehumanize them.

Well done.
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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 04:16 PM
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5. Pamela...this is exceptional writing....
Edited on Sat Aug-18-07 04:34 PM by adsosletter
This document should be required reading for everyone. What you have put together here is "call-to-arms" on one of the most dangerous and odious processes a society must face; especially in America, and especially now.

Brilliant and timely!

I am sure you have already read it, but for those who have not, "Faces of the Enemy" by Dr. Sam Keen is an excellent adjunct to the piece you have produced. Professor Keen is over in Sonoma, and has a series of DVDs to accompany his work.

Another valuable work is Jean Hardisty's "Manufacturing Consent".

KEEP WRITING!!!

and

WELCOME TO DU... :hi:

ON EDIT: well...I see you have been here about a year longer than I...welcome anyway...I look forward to reading more of your past material. :)
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 04:24 PM
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6. Thank you
I'm sad that we need this post here, but we do.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 05:24 PM
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11. Can we get as many posts as are here:
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 04:27 PM
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7. K&R..... most excellent collection of the sickness man who is not
kind knows as self. Thank you, I have saved this page for some I know who do not get it.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 04:38 PM
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8. HOLY SHIT, PAMELA TROY!!! GO GIRL!!!!
Edited on Sat Aug-18-07 04:40 PM by Karenina
:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
:yourock: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock:
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 05:12 PM
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9. Hatred
is not a family value. In fact, today it is property of the Republikkklan Party.
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 12:30 PM
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42. I see it here all the time, not just Republicans
Go check out a thread on Mexican illegals. "The OTHER" indeed. Racism and xenophobia are flourishing, even on "our" side.

Lee
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 05:21 PM
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10. Every time I read one of your posts, I find myself wishing
you'd post a lot more than you do. Highly recommended.

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ebayfool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 05:55 PM
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12. That's so painful to read - & so necessary to read at the same time.
Frequently, the best writing stings & provokes the heart.

You are absolutely an outstanding writer!

I'm saving to share ... after my heart finishes breaking.

rec'd w/tears

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 05:59 PM
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13. but Pamela Troy, it can't happen here, can it?





Good to see you here at DU :hi:
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 08:44 AM
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31. People keep saying that
It can't happen here.
Time to wake up, it is happening here if it hasn't already
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 06:05 PM
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14. Excellent
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 06:07 PM
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15. Powerful piece -- So true
I have often wondered what it would take to get the American people to see what is going on in our country today.

Even on DU there are some who get very upset when I discuss parallels between Nazis and the Bush administration and their enablers.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 06:08 PM
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16. Brilliant post, but I have to admit guilt....
Edited on Sat Aug-18-07 06:12 PM by AntiFascist
I often rail against the "OTHERS" which I identify as the right-wing end of the political spectrum, whether it be right-wing Christians, right-wing extremist Muslims, the Likud Party, or neofascist politicos. It is easy enough to dehumanize these groups of people as well: they can be characterized as selfish, narrow-minded, ruthless and scheming profiteers, or simply delusional haters. Some of the comments posted above even echo these sentiments.

It may be useful to take a step back and analyze what is really going on. Some of the more profound conspiracy theories identify the more powerful world bankers and investors as the ones who are really pitting various groups against one another, all in the name of profitting off of war and taking control over worldwide society. It could be as simple a matter as: starting wars, particularly world wars, causes nations to have to borrow more money from banks, which causes inflation or devaluation of currency and ultimately those who own and control everything make more money and take more control over society, buying themselves more security.

Dealing with the problem may be a matter of setting aside the hatred and taking a cold hard look at the sociological and economic factors which are stirring things up.

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motocicleta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 08:07 PM
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19. I as well.
And generally I don't feel the guilt as much as recognize that I am guilty. I do not feel it because I am so angry over what is going on, so it is easy to let myself be angry instead of just feeling helpless.

I will have to struggle not to hate the conservatives, the religious fundamentalists, etc, should I ever be in a position of power, where I could hurt them - I don't suppose that is much of a worry, though.

K n R; a great reminder to not judge, and to strive for humility.
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MLFerrell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 06:11 PM
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17. Outstanding work.
You've lucidly and brilliantly demonstrated the continuity between historical persecution(s) and the 21st century efforts to again ostracize an entire people using identical tactics.

K&R
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badgerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 06:31 PM
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18. Kick and Recc
:patriot:



:kick:
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needledriver Donating Member (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 08:52 PM
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20. We *are* the OTHERS
I am happy and proud to say I was taught this lesson early by my beautiful East Coast Liberal parents.

To learn to hate someone you must first reduce him to an epithet. This was my Dad explaining why the latest generation of Bad Guys were called "Gooks".

What lessons a Nice Jewish Boy and Nice Catholic Girl must have from taken their courtship and marriage in the 1940's!
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 09:37 PM
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21. Welcome to DU
Wow that's one powerful post. I'll be looking forward to more.
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FloridaJudy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 10:51 PM
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22. Wow! That's a powerful piece of writing!
It's posts like that that keep me coming back to DU. Kicked and recommended.
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 12:07 AM
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23. And it never ends
I am partly Roma, a gypsy. In 1994 in Germany, there was an anti-Roma rally. When she was asked, one woman responded "We are not racist, we are just against gypsies". We are not racist, we don't hate all races other than our own; we are only against gypsies because they are the lowest of the low. In Romania, there were pogroms until quite recently. The Romainian government only started clamping down on them because they wanted to get into the EU. In most of the world, we are still thought of as thieves (which is not exactly true, it would be more accurate to say we have a different concpt of ownership than westerners), dirty, smelly (which is amusing considering how stringest the cleanliness laws of the Rominaya are), baby-stealers. Everyone knows the six million Jewish people the Nazis killed but no-one ever remembers us. That's not a knock on the Jewish people but it's saying that somehow the 500,000 to 2 million of us that died are forgotten. We're gypsies so we don't count.

And it goes on and on. Gay people still get the same images in the US. Baby-rapists, either dirty (the obsession with the graphic details of gay sex) or unusually well-groomed, effete. It never ends.

It seems that humanity has an inherant need to pick a group to look down on. Those who don't act the same, look the same, worship the same.
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NOLALady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 12:26 AM
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24. Is it humanity?
Or is it those at the top with something to gain by divisiveness?

Someone once said that the racism in this country can disappear practically overnight if those in charge wanted this to happen. Not the Government but the REAL rulers of this country. If Big Business sent out a memo stating that discrimination will not be tolerated in any way shape or form on the jobs, hiring practices, etc. Anyone caught in violation would be immediately fired.

Something to that effect could be the cure.
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 05:05 AM
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26. I think it's humanity
You see it even in schoolkids, the way they single out those who are "different" for abuse. I'd love to be proved wrong, you have no idea how much joy that would give me but experiance makes me think it's inherant.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 11:31 AM
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40. No, the "Us vs. Them" dynamic seems to be part of human nature.
Social constructivist arguments like the one in your post never made any sense to me, the "us vs. them" social dynamic seems to be a human universal found in all societies. It a result of hundreds of thousands of years of living and evolving in a clan-based hunter-gather social structure.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 06:59 AM
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55. It's all about fear.
If we clothe and feed everyone and make them safe, there would be no fear of losing that in their future. Eliminate fear and we eliminate hate.
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 02:25 PM
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44. The Rom who died in the Holocaust are not forgotten by us, Prophet 451.
Everyone knows the six million Jewish people the Nazis killed but no-one ever remembers us. That's not a knock on the Jewish people but it's saying that somehow the 500,000 to 2 million of us that died are forgotten. We're gypsies so we don't count.

I say "us" because I'm Jewish, and we always remember your 2 million dead along with our own 6 million. I think what happened is that the documentation was lacking among the Rom themselves until recently, because of a lack of general literacy. So the Holocaust remained oral tradition for the first couple of generations, until more of them could read and had access to the documentation. I could be wrong, but that is my understanding anyway.
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 09:19 PM
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54. I'm sorry, I should have phrased that better
I'll plead only that emotion got the better of me. I'm not going to say "I have Jewish friends" because we both know how that sounds but when I talk to Jewish people, they remember us. Says something doesn't it? The two most consistently persecuted groups in the world...
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ConservativeDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 12:30 AM
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25. You forgot one aspect of dehumanization...
...which is for people to try to equate everyone they don't agree with, with some agreed upon pure evil.

Like, for example the way you do, when you take a relatively innocent statement about the Balkanization of the Middle East (which anyone who isn't a complete ignoramus can tell you), and put that alongside the same list as quotes from Hitler and Goebbels.

Look in the mirror, Pamela. Take a good hard look.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 05:08 AM
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27. Thank you.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 06:31 AM
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28. Excellent and powerful piece - and terribly sad
Edited on Sun Aug-19-07 06:56 AM by LeftishBrit
The only qualification that I'd make is that we need to be very clear that the traditional forms of prejudice - racism, anti-semitism, etc. - have not been replaced by Islamophobia, but that *all* these forms of prejudice are still alive and well, or rather, alive and sick. It's sadly very easy to find 21st-century websites, with all the modern facilities of the Internet, which discuss non-white people and Jews in just the terms used by early 20th-century white supremacists and Nazis.

In the UK, Islamophobia, anti-semitism and most of all racism are definite problems; but perhaps the most common and blatant form of bigotry is that form which is perhaps the purest form of hatred of the Others: anti-immigrant bigotry. This is closely linked to racism, and non-white immigrants and their descendants (who are often still called 'immigrants' to the third and fourth generation) get the vilest form of prejudice; but even white immigrants - Irish in the past; East Europaean nowadays - can encounter considerable prejudice. Unfortunately, these anti-immigrant prejudices are whipped up by the right-wing tabloid press, as is the prejudice that Prophet51 brought up: against Gypsies and other Traveller groups. Prophet51 is quite right that bigotry agaist Gypsies is quite pervasive and yet does not get as much attention and criticism as other forms of racism and prejudice.

There is also the form that has so often led to, and been whipped up in, wars: that of equating a country's government with its entire people, and demonizing all the citizens of a country because of opposition to its government's policies. Perhaps modern war would be impossible if people on each side could not be convinced that everyone in that other nation is a 'bad guy' whose death is perfectly justifiable in the cause.

I think that, sadly, a lot of it is human nature; though not unmodifiable human nature. There is a human tendency to be suspicious of the unfamiliar; and sadly, also a common human tendency to need to find scapegoats for one's problems, and to use 'outsiders' for the purpose. These tendencies can be either neutralized or whipped up by the culture and environment, and nowadays by the media.

Demagogues through the ages have actively encouraged people to hate and attack Others, by seeming to provide a scapegoat and an easy solution for their problems.

'The language of dehumanization has only one aim, and when it begins to leak out into mainstream discourse from the dank little crevices and holes, the klaverns, bunds, and terrorist cells where it typically lurks, anyone who has a conscience needs to pay attention and be concerned.

Its the sound of a society talking itself into doing something atrocious.'

Absolutely and terribly true. Something we must all remember.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 08:18 AM
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57. Too late for editing...
but just to note that I mistyped Prophet451's username. Apologies!
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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 06:39 AM
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29. Magnificent work, PT, recommended

...now if only we can get you to run for office...
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live love laugh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 08:21 AM
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30. Who knew the pro-life movement was racially based? That is a revelation for me.
John Gibson's quote crystallizes the racist position of the pro-life movement.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 09:02 AM
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32. I agree. Last night I watched Judgment at Nuremberg, and I was
horrified at the modern day parallels.
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 09:31 AM
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34. Those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it
This is excellent and hits on a dark facet of human nature that is all too prevalent...and unfortunately, this country has already lost its soul to it. Is there any way to regain it? I hope so, though that will take great courage. Thank you very much for this.
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pingzing58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 09:38 AM
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35. Thank you Pamela. Hate speech always preceeds physical violence.
Once a population is dehumanized then it's open season on them. I'm sure you've been following the language used to dehumanize illegal aliens from Mexico. Lou Dobbs comes on T.V. every day and utters hate speach dehumanizing undocumented workers from Mexico and goes around the country to encourage violence (albeit indirectly) against these poor people. The mayor of Hazelton, PA, and Dobbs laughed when Barletta talked about witnessing alleged illegal aliens packing up their belongings and leaving with their families in the middle of the night after they had passed an anti-illegal alien renters ordinance. So many Americans are blaming their financial and social problems on Illegal Aliens. Onced dehumanized violence follows.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 10:34 AM
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36. Excellent! Well done!
I hope some of the attention whores who treat GD as their own personal lounges and post the dumbest crap read this and feel too embarrassed to continue their Faux News ways.

Hope springs eternal.

Julie
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Greylyn58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 10:55 AM
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37. Absolutely brilliant
Thank you for the time and effort you put into this piece. I'm sure you had to look through some really horrendous sites to find all of this.

Man's inhumanity to Man just never ceases to amaze and disgust me. Just when I think I've heard or seen it all, something new arises.

Thanks again. K&R without a doubt.





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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 11:02 AM
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38. Brava! Brava!
:applause:

Admirable work!

--IMM
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 11:17 AM
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39. K&R-excellent post.nt
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 12:28 PM
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41. k&r...Brilliant and welcome to DU...n/t
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 02:01 PM
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43. Very well done, thank you Pamela
A+
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 02:30 PM
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45. I admire your fortitude in putting this compilation together.
As painful as it is just to read, it must have been like wading through a cesspool! But nobody can say you didn't prove your point.
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 02:50 PM
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46.  "The only good Lebanese is a dead Lebanese.
The only good Arab is a dead Arab."



Didn't Get the Whole 'Diplomacy' Idea



It seems that 20-year career Foreign Service officer Patrick Syring wasn't cut out for bringing America's message of tolerance, peace and democracy to the Middle East.

Last summer, while the bloody but inconclusive war between Israel and Hezbollah raged over the skies of Israel and Lebanon, Syring reached out to James Zogby, the highly-respected head of the Arab-American Institute to let him know that "The only good Lebanese is a dead Lebanese. The only good Arab is a dead Arab."

That was in a phone message left on Mr. Zogby's voice mail.


.....
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 04:09 PM
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47. K&R
I've been seeing the parallels to Nazi Germany for years. The demonization of this strawman Muslim is truly frightening.

But they did it in the 40's/50's and 60's with "Russkys", "Nigras" and Jews.

The same irrational hatred, different decade.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 04:28 PM
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48. Superlative post
Thank you.
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 05:33 PM
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49. Screw you. I can show thousands of pics of people helping each other.
The goodness of man. This was disgusting and sick enough that it doesn't need to be flaunted before our eyes again. Feelings follow focus. I don't need to keep watching "Texas Chainsaw Massacre" just because it's a true story. There will always be a group of sick psycho bastards creating horror around the world but there are ten times more kind loving people doing good things that we should focus on. I found this graphic literary expose uselessly insulting but if you feel it necessary to show us the evil of man then you've succeeded. Maybe I've lived too long and seen too much but I find this pointless. Maybe there are those who are unaware of the atrocities committed on the others...the ones we are taught to hate. But for me, I don't like poking around in someone else's vomit or people who feel it necessary to prompt me to.
My nine year old needs school clothes and that is how far I feel removed from this discussion.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 05:41 PM
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50. Thank you for sharing..
:kick:
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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 05:50 PM
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51. Well, while you're shopping
Maybe you can put in a thought or two about how to end wars, violence and genocide, since they seem to be recurrent themes throughout history. I'm sure you know enough kind, loving people to make it happen. You can be a change agent!
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 07:49 PM
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53. That's ok. Don't worry your beautiful mind about it.
eom
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 06:22 PM
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52. Wow, that was amazing
And, as you can see from a post above mine, some STILL don't get it (or don't WANT to get it) :eyes:
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 07:01 AM
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56. Please put this in your DU Journal?
It would be easier for others to link to and spread around.

Excellent essay. Thank you for sharing your work here.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 12:10 AM
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58. Kick.
:kick:
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entanglement Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 01:35 AM
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59. Kick and welcome to DU
:hi:
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 05:55 PM
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60. .
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 06:57 PM
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61. My God this is probably the best post I've ever read on DU
I am bookmarking this and showing it to everyone I know. What a brilliant and most welcome addition to DU you are.
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